Eliot Spitzer made this world a better place

[MikeK]

How was it a "shame"? He made his (stupid) decisions and paid the price. It showed that he is a corrupt, immoral, and fucking stupid son of a bitch. He committed political suicide and some hero-worshipping little numbskull declares him a great politician? Kids today...

Yet, Cons gave Vitter a standing ovation in the Senate, for doing the same thing.

Is that supposed to let Spitzer off the hook somehow?

There shouldn't be a "hook." It's pointless and hypocritical. Sexual infidelity is between the married couple. No one else.

 

[Dr.House]

Yet, Cons gave Vitter a standing ovation in the Senate, for doing the same thing.

Is that supposed to let Spitzer off the hook somehow?

There shouldn't be a "hook." It's pointless and hypocritical. Sexual infidelity is between the married couple. No one else.

Sexual infidelity also defines the person's morals and charcter...

To ignore that is foolish...

I know corrupt politicians are a dime a dozen, but when one has been shown to cheat on someone they "love" or at least made a committment to, how can you NOT think they might cheat on their constituents...??


Edit: (infidelity, not individuality)

 

[MikeK]

Violating the Mann Act? Oh no no no no no.... just makes it a federal felony is all.

THEN of course there's the minor issue of using election campaign funds to do it.

The Mann Act does not apply. Spitzer did not transport that female across state lines. She transported herself and neither in his company nor against her will or under his influence to do so. She did it as an independent act and for payment by a third party (the madam). If anyone can be charged with a Mann violation it's the madam.

Also, Spitzer is a multi-millionaire. So on what basis do his accusers expect to establish that he paid for that assignation with campaign funds? That is a stupidly futile allegation and you should know better.

 

[Liability]

Violating the Mann Act? Oh no no no no no.... just makes it a federal felony is all.

THEN of course there's the minor issue of using election campaign funds to do it.

The Mann Act does not apply. Spitzer did not transport that female across state lines. She transported herself and neither in his company nor against her will or under his influence to do so. She did it as an independent act and for payment by a third party (the madam). If anyone can be charged with a Mann violation it's the madam.

Also, Spitzer is a multi-millionaire. So on what basis do his accusers expect to establish that he paid for that assignation with campaign funds? That is a stupidly futile allegation and you should know better.

He paid for it somehow. He either used his own funds (with the fear that wife might find out) OR, to avoid the prospect of his wife finding out, he used public funds on some paper thin pretext hoping nobody would notice.

As to HOW it would be proved, that's just forensic accounting. Easy, breezy.

 

[MikeK]

[Bernie Madoff has an investment plan for you. He's already sold it to a few thousand people before you.

Interested?

Oh come on... he ONLY made a SIMPLE mistake!

He's still a bright and capable man!

You're comparing Spitzer's single indiscretion to what Madoff did over the years?

 

[MikeK]

Maybe Spitzer and Weiner can get their own show together...

What Weiner did is bizarre. What Spitzer did is perfectly normal. The problem is he was under surveillance by his political opposition and he was sold out by the madam.

The ultimate consequence is America has lost an exceptionally good politician. Spitzer did a lot of good and would have done a great deal more. So who are the big losers in the end?

 

[MikeK]

He was never charged.

I thought he was charged with something.

Wishful thinking on the part of the right-wing attack puppies. Very typical.

 

[Liability]

Maybe Spitzer and Weiner can get their own show together...

What Weiner did is bizarre. What Spitzer did is perfectly normal. The problem is he was under surveillance by his political opposition and he was sold out by the madam.

The ultimate consequence is America has lost an exceptionally good politician. Spitzer did a lot of good and would have done a great deal more. So who are the big losers in the end?

Your misuse of the term "normal" is revealing.

 

[MikeK]

He took the hooker across state lines. for some reason, that complicates things.

It got complicated when he went after Wall St. and corrupt Republicans.

It backed-fired on him.

Where did the democrat party ass kissing left ever get the idea that Wall Street was the enemy? From Chairman Mao or Bill Ayers? Maybe Barry Obama put that little socialist idea in their vacant heads.

Having access to irrefutable evidence that Wall Street is indeed the committed enemy of the common person you continue to deny it? Did you ever hear of derivatives and hedge funds? Do you know what they are? And do you know what kind of damage they've done to your Country's economy and how many ordinary people they've harmed?

If not, you should.

 

[MikeK]

Very bright and capable man.

He broke the law.

He paid the price and now is still a capable and bright man.

I would like to correct this because I was wrong.

i thought he had been charged and punished for something.

He did indeed break the law and admitted it.

The system looked at his entire record and decided not to charge him with anything.

Our system has spoken about his crime in the way they saw fit.

He admitted his wrong doing faced the system and appologised.

He is still a capable and bright man.

he is a flawed human being.

May the first perfect human being please step up to throw some stones if they would like.

I agree with everything you've said here -- except for the "flawed human being" part.

Any man in Spitzer's position, which includes politicians, sports and entertainment figures and the generally wealthy and powerful, have access to temptations that ordinary men cannot imagine. So unless we have the same access we are in no position to judge.

Hillary Clinton once said that women who are married to powerful men should not be surprised when their husbands succumb to the extraordinary temptations they are exposed to. I've never met (I don't think) a thousand-dollar-an-hour hooker but I am told they are extraordinary. So I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing Spitzer did if I were in his position. Can you?

A castle never stormed is easy to defend.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Maybe Spitzer and Weiner can get their own show together...

What Weiner did is bizarre. What Spitzer did is perfectly normal. The problem is he was under surveillance by his political opposition and he was sold out by the madam.

The ultimate consequence is America has lost an exceptionally good politician. Spitzer did a lot of good and would have done a great deal more. So who are the big losers in the end?

Since when did it become perfectly normal for a married man to pay whores to have sex with him? What world do you live in?

 

[Big Fitz]

[Bernie Madoff has an investment plan for you. He's already sold it to a few thousand people before you.

Interested?

Oh come on... he ONLY made a SIMPLE mistake!

He's still a bright and capable man!

You're comparing Spitzer's single indiscretion to what Madoff did over the years?

Why not? You're trying to acquit him by pointing to Vitter who wasn't even up on charges, AND Bill Clinton who was nearly impeached, convicted of perjury AND stripped of his law license.

Why shouldn't I get flexible equivalency, or have you managed to find a workaround for your hypocrisy?

 

[Big Fitz]

Is there REALLY a thread about Elliot fucking dumbass Spitzer?

Wow. The world must have broken out in peace and sanity all over for that douche bag to become a topic.

but mocking the dumbasses is jolly entertaining, eh wot ole chap?

 

[MikeK]

How was it a "shame"? He made his (stupid) decisions and paid the price. It showed that he is a corrupt, immoral, and fucking stupid son of a bitch. He committed political suicide and some hero-worshipping little numbskull declares him a great politician? Kids today...

He did something millions of other men do every day and there is nothing corrupt about it..

Are you insane?

No.

Are you impotent?

 

[Big Fitz]

He did something millions of other men do every day and there is nothing corrupt about it..

Are you insane?

No.

Are you impotent?

Seems your return question contradicts your assertion.

 

[MikeK]

He was an idiot. That is what happens when you do what he did.

If you think Eliot Spitzer is the only politician who patronizes prostitutes you have much to learn. .

And a lot of people rob banks, so who are we to judge if a police officer robs banks in his spare time, right? If he gets caught he can just say it was 'political.'

Utterly insane.

You think what Eliot Spitzer did compares with robbing a bank?

Utterly simple-minded.

 

[MikeK]

Yes, he was very anti-corruption when he wasn't illegally paying women for sex.

Do you believe patronizing a prostitute compares with the kind of political corruption Eliot Spitzer is responsible for putting an end to?

How old are you?

 

[Big Fitz]

If you think Eliot Spitzer is the only politician who patronizes prostitutes you have much to learn. .

And a lot of people rob banks, so who are we to judge if a police officer robs banks in his spare time, right? If he gets caught he can just say it was 'political.'

Utterly insane.

You think what Eliot Spitzer did compares with robbing a bank?

Utterly simple-minded.

No, it compares to a vice cop getting caught doing the exact crime he hauls people in for. You want prostitute or drug using cops patrolling your streets? How do you justify your acceptance of corruption in high office of other political parties while forgiving your own of similar issues.

Should Larry Craig be gone? David Vitter? Jack Ryan? William Jefferson? Barney Fwank? Charlie Rangel??

Yes, they should ALL be gone out of office, either by the ballot box or the jury box if they did what they are accused of (and many convicted of) doing.

 

[Big Fitz]

Yes, he was very anti-corruption when he wasn't illegally paying women for sex.

Do you believe patronizing a prostitute compares with the kind of political corruption Eliot Spitzer is responsible for putting an end to?

How old are you?

Yes, I like to know my campaign funds are going to some high price hooker so a candidate can get his second chakra released.

 

[MikeK]

Is that supposed to let Spitzer off the hook somehow?

There shouldn't be a "hook." It's pointless and hypocritical. Sexual infidelity is between the married couple. No one else.

Sexual infidelity also defines the person's morals and charcter...

To ignore that is foolish...

I know corrupt politicians are a dime a dozen, but when one has been shown to cheat on someone they "love" or at least made a committment to, how can you NOT think they might cheat on their constituents...??


Edit: (infidelity, not individuality)

Unless you are exposed to the same level of temptation and access as are men like Eliot Spitzer you should not be making such pious moral judgments. The nature and boundaries of your marriage are your business and no one else's. If you are unfaithful to your wife I will assume you have reasons. So unless you are intimately familiar with the quality and nature of Spitzer's marriage you simply don't know what you're talking about.