EFF YOU RUBIO! He holds up the tax bill for REFUNDABLE CHILD TAX CREDIT.?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

what was obummer's GDP over eight years? you should post up his numbers to show your genius.

What was the corporate tax rate? I mean do try to keep up. I never even mentioned Obama. I said the lower the corporate tax rate the lower GDP growth. And by corporate tax rate, I mean EFFECTIVE corporate tax rate, which has been declining since 1955. So has GDP growth.

well we know what the corporate tax rate was under obummer, what was his GDP it proves your fking post wrong idiot.

You really ought to do a little research before spouting off your mouth.

It is a global economy. Now compare it to the rest of the world.

Fyi... The evil energy companies pay the highest effective rate of any sector.

The effective corporate tax rate does compare favorably to the rest of the world. It is right at the average. And I got to ask, if the stated corporate tax rate is such a big deal how come companies are falling all over each other, including Trump's companies, to do business in Dubai. The corporate tax rate in the UAE is higher than ours. If your argument was worth a shit, well no companies would be doing business over there. Instead, it is one of the hottest spots in the world.

If you can make more money there because of the all the rich Arabs, despite the high taxes, why not?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I'm with Rubio on this issue. Look the senate bill increased the child tax credit to $2,000 and everyone gets the increase EXCEPT poor families. They only get $1,100. That's a gift to Democrats during upcoming elections. DO NOT underestimate the American people's sense of fair play, that's not going to set well with most Americans.

that would be welfare as I already mentioned to you in another thread. they don't qualify since they don't pay into the tax pool. You are for additional free money? I thought you were a conservative?

You don't want me in charge, I'd cut taxes $3 trillion and spending $6 trillion then throw hundreds of government morons in prison for losing $400 billion this year alone to government waste and fraud.

That said why give middle to upper income families a $2,000 per child tax credit then taunt poor families with ha ha you losers get nothing. Do we want to lose elections? Just reduce their rates, don't go looking for trouble.

You'd cut spending $6 trillion dollars on a $4 trillion budget? That would be a major accomplishment. Tell me how you do that. I taught math for years and I don't see how that would work.

 

[Carter Malone]

He is looking to score political points for a future Presidential run with OUR MONEY.

FUCK MARCO RUBIO he is not a conservative.

If you DO NOT PAY ANY FEDERAL INCOME TAX, YOU SHOULD NOT GET $1400 IN WELFARE FOR EVERY KID YOU HAVE PAID THROUGH THE TREASURY.

The treasury shouldnt be used for welfare.

They are low income working people. Tell the corps to pay them more.

Agree but Rubio and the other Republiccans never had any intention of voting no or of voting to help the working class.

If they don't support this mess, they won't get more money from their 1% owners.

 

[Carter Malone]

I'm with Rubio on this issue. Look the senate bill increased the child tax credit to $2,000 and everyone gets the increase EXCEPT poor families. They only get $1,100. That's a gift to Democrats during upcoming elections. DO NOT underestimate the American people's sense of fair play, that's not going to set well with most Americans.

that would be welfare as I already mentioned to you in another thread. they don't qualify since they don't pay into the tax pool. You are for additional free money? I thought you were a conservative?

You don't want me in charge, I'd cut taxes $3 trillion and spending $6 trillion then throw hundreds of government morons in prison for losing $400 billion this year alone to government waste and fraud.

That said why give middle to upper income families a $2,000 per child tax credit then taunt poor families with ha ha you losers get nothing. Do we want to lose elections? Just reduce their rates, don't go looking for trouble.

The whole point is to borrow trillions in order to give trillions to the very wealthy.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Only a liberal could think that allowing a company or individual to keep more of their own hard earned money is considered "free money."

That free money comes at the expense of every other taxpayer, dipshit. It is paid for with higher tax rates on EVERYONE, including the person who gets the gift!

Learn some basic economics, for chrissakes.

I'm sick of all you "gimme gimme gimme and make that guy over there pay for it" leeches.

Damn but your ignorant. Learn some basic economics? You really don't know who you are talking to. Matter of fact, I doubt anyone one this board has the economics background I do. Hell, I did research for the Reagan administration. I worked for Erskine Bowles. So piss off. But first, consider this.

That child tax credit, what is it now, $1500 a year. That is nothing when compared to the value of the mortgage deduction on a half million dollar mortgage. And that deduction requires every other taxpayer to pay more in taxes. So you Trumpsters are bitching about pennies while throwing away dollars. That is stupid. So you go learn some basic economics.

$1500 cash payment per child versus reducing your taxable income by the amount of interest you paid on your mortgage are not Apple and apples, professor.


If the principle of the mortgage still owed is $500,000, the interest paid in a year will be about $20,000. if your marginal tax rate is 33%, that’s roughly $7000 in tax savings from what you pay the Fed.

If you have 4 kids, that’s $6000 cash paid to you if you didn’t pay any taxes.

They don’t seem very disparate to me.

The person who is carrying the $500,000 mortgage is contributing mightily to the economy, and now the tens of thousands of dollars in taxes they are paying is reduced by $7000....so instead of $50,000 in taxes, for example, they will be paying $43,000.

The person with 4 kids and not paying taxes at all, and getting $6,000 in welfare from the Fed is a leech.

You are an economist like I am a brain surgeon.

 

[g5000]

Only a liberal could think that allowing a company or individual to keep more of their own hard earned money is considered "free money."

That free money comes at the expense of every other taxpayer, dipshit. It is paid for with higher tax rates on EVERYONE, including the person who gets the gift!

Learn some basic economics, for chrissakes.

I'm sick of all you "gimme gimme gimme and make that guy over there pay for it" leeches.

Damn but your ignorant. Learn some basic economics? You really don't know who you are talking to. Matter of fact, I doubt anyone one this board has the economics background I do. Hell, I did research for the Reagan administration. I worked for Erskine Bowles. So piss off. But first, consider this.

That child tax credit, what is it now, $1500 a year. That is nothing when compared to the value of the mortgage deduction on a half million dollar mortgage. And that deduction requires every other taxpayer to pay more in taxes. So you Trumpsters are bitching about pennies while throwing away dollars. That is stupid. So you go learn some basic economics.

$1500 cash payment per child versus reducing your taxable income by the amount of interest you paid on your mortgage are not Apple and apples, professor.

Yes they are. They are both paid for by higher tax rates on EVERY TAXPAYER and more borrowing from China.

They are both theft.

 

[Carter Malone]

Ahh, quoting the Washington Post!!!

That's all I needed to see.

Not reading the OP? Then why comment?

For trump fans, that's preferable to actually learning the facts. Why is that?

Perhaps you can say why the article is incorrect?

Thanks.

 

[Winston]

Only a liberal could think that allowing a company or individual to keep more of their own hard earned money is considered "free money."

That free money comes at the expense of every other taxpayer, dipshit. It is paid for with higher tax rates on EVERYONE, including the person who gets the gift!

Learn some basic economics, for chrissakes.

I'm sick of all you "gimme gimme gimme and make that guy over there pay for it" leeches.

Damn but your ignorant. Learn some basic economics? You really don't know who you are talking to. Matter of fact, I doubt anyone one this board has the economics background I do. Hell, I did research for the Reagan administration. I worked for Erskine Bowles. So piss off. But first, consider this.

That child tax credit, what is it now, $1500 a year. That is nothing when compared to the value of the mortgage deduction on a half million dollar mortgage. And that deduction requires every other taxpayer to pay more in taxes. So you Trumpsters are bitching about pennies while throwing away dollars. That is stupid. So you go learn some basic economics.

The person getting that child credit is probably employed by the construction company that builds half million dollar houses. I guess you would rather have that person unemployed and sucking the government teat because all of the construction jobs dried up.

Are you really so dense that you actually believe the only reason people build half million dollar homes is because they get to deduct their mortgage interest? Or that without that tax deduction they couldn't afford their mortgage.

 

[Winston]

What was the corporate tax rate? I mean do try to keep up. I never even mentioned Obama. I said the lower the corporate tax rate the lower GDP growth. And by corporate tax rate, I mean EFFECTIVE corporate tax rate, which has been declining since 1955. So has GDP growth.

well we know what the corporate tax rate was under obummer, what was his GDP it proves your fking post wrong idiot.

You really ought to do a little research before spouting off your mouth.

It is a global economy. Now compare it to the rest of the world.

Fyi... The evil energy companies pay the highest effective rate of any sector.

The effective corporate tax rate does compare favorably to the rest of the world. It is right at the average. And I got to ask, if the stated corporate tax rate is such a big deal how come companies are falling all over each other, including Trump's companies, to do business in Dubai. The corporate tax rate in the UAE is higher than ours. If your argument was worth a shit, well no companies would be doing business over there. Instead, it is one of the hottest spots in the world.

If you can make more money there because of the all the rich Arabs, despite the high taxes, why not?

So, it is not the tax rate that matters. It is the demand. Well I be damned.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Only a liberal could think that allowing a company or individual to keep more of their own hard earned money is considered "free money."

That free money comes at the expense of every other taxpayer, dipshit. It is paid for with higher tax rates on EVERYONE, including the person who gets the gift!

Learn some basic economics, for chrissakes.

I'm sick of all you "gimme gimme gimme and make that guy over there pay for it" leeches.

Damn but your ignorant. Learn some basic economics? You really don't know who you are talking to. Matter of fact, I doubt anyone one this board has the economics background I do. Hell, I did research for the Reagan administration. I worked for Erskine Bowles. So piss off. But first, consider this.

That child tax credit, what is it now, $1500 a year. That is nothing when compared to the value of the mortgage deduction on a half million dollar mortgage. And that deduction requires every other taxpayer to pay more in taxes. So you Trumpsters are bitching about pennies while throwing away dollars. That is stupid. So you go learn some basic economics.

The person getting that child credit is probably employed by the construction company that builds half million dollar houses. I guess you would rather have that person unemployed and sucking the government teat because all of the construction jobs dried up.

Are you really so dense that you actually believe the only reason people build half million dollar homes is because they get to deduct their mortgage interest? Or that without that tax deduction they couldn't afford their mortgage.

No, because I didn't say that. You can show your liberal stripes another way rather than putting words in my mouth.

Your brain is obviously not fully functional. People with half-million dollar homes in states with high real estate costs are strictly middle class. They are not anywhere near the 1%ers.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

well we know what the corporate tax rate was under obummer, what was his GDP it proves your fking post wrong idiot.

You really ought to do a little research before spouting off your mouth.

It is a global economy. Now compare it to the rest of the world.

Fyi... The evil energy companies pay the highest effective rate of any sector.

The effective corporate tax rate does compare favorably to the rest of the world. It is right at the average. And I got to ask, if the stated corporate tax rate is such a big deal how come companies are falling all over each other, including Trump's companies, to do business in Dubai. The corporate tax rate in the UAE is higher than ours. If your argument was worth a shit, well no companies would be doing business over there. Instead, it is one of the hottest spots in the world.

If you can make more money there because of the all the rich Arabs, despite the high taxes, why not?

So, it is not the tax rate that matters. It is the demand. Well I be damned.

So it suddenly dawned on you that you were wrong? Praise the Lord!

 

[Winston]

Only a liberal could think that allowing a company or individual to keep more of their own hard earned money is considered "free money."

That free money comes at the expense of every other taxpayer, dipshit. It is paid for with higher tax rates on EVERYONE, including the person who gets the gift!

Learn some basic economics, for chrissakes.

I'm sick of all you "gimme gimme gimme and make that guy over there pay for it" leeches.

Damn but your ignorant. Learn some basic economics? You really don't know who you are talking to. Matter of fact, I doubt anyone one this board has the economics background I do. Hell, I did research for the Reagan administration. I worked for Erskine Bowles. So piss off. But first, consider this.

That child tax credit, what is it now, $1500 a year. That is nothing when compared to the value of the mortgage deduction on a half million dollar mortgage. And that deduction requires every other taxpayer to pay more in taxes. So you Trumpsters are bitching about pennies while throwing away dollars. That is stupid. So you go learn some basic economics.

$1500 cash payment per child versus reducing your taxable income by the amount of interest you paid on your mortgage are not Apple and apples, professor.


If the principle of the mortgage still owed is $500,000, the interest paid in a year will be about $20,000. if your marginal tax rate is 33%, that’s roughly $7000 in tax savings from what you pay the Fed.

If you have 4 kids, that’s $6000 cash paid to you if you didn’t pay any taxes.

They don’t seem very disparate to me.

The person who is carrying the $500,000 mortgage is contributing mightily to the economy, and now the tens of thousands of dollars in taxes they are paying is reduced by $7000....so instead of $50,000 in taxes, for example, they will be paying $43,000.

The person with 4 kids and not paying taxes at all, and getting $6,000 in welfare from the Fed is a leech.

You are an economist like I am a brain surgeon.

Paying taxes is not "contributing mightily to the economy", unless you believe that government spending is preferable to private spending. Say the mortgage holder gets an extra seven grand and the child tax credit person gets six thousand. Except that the child tax credit is limited to three kids last I checked. But just another case of ignorance from lack of knowledge.

So impress me and tell me the difference between the mortgage holder spending six grand in tax savings and the child tax credit beneficiary spending six grand in tax credit money. Which one stimulates the economy more and why? I will give you a hint, you will probably want to use terms like multiplier and velocity.

 

[Winston]

Only a liberal could think that allowing a company or individual to keep more of their own hard earned money is considered "free money."

That free money comes at the expense of every other taxpayer, dipshit. It is paid for with higher tax rates on EVERYONE, including the person who gets the gift!

Learn some basic economics, for chrissakes.

I'm sick of all you "gimme gimme gimme and make that guy over there pay for it" leeches.

Damn but your ignorant. Learn some basic economics? You really don't know who you are talking to. Matter of fact, I doubt anyone one this board has the economics background I do. Hell, I did research for the Reagan administration. I worked for Erskine Bowles. So piss off. But first, consider this.

That child tax credit, what is it now, $1500 a year. That is nothing when compared to the value of the mortgage deduction on a half million dollar mortgage. And that deduction requires every other taxpayer to pay more in taxes. So you Trumpsters are bitching about pennies while throwing away dollars. That is stupid. So you go learn some basic economics.

The person getting that child credit is probably employed by the construction company that builds half million dollar houses. I guess you would rather have that person unemployed and sucking the government teat because all of the construction jobs dried up.

Are you really so dense that you actually believe the only reason people build half million dollar homes is because they get to deduct their mortgage interest? Or that without that tax deduction they couldn't afford their mortgage.

No, because I didn't say that. You can show your liberal stripes another way rather than putting words in my mouth.

Your brain is obviously not fully functional. People with half-million dollar homes in states with high real estate costs are strictly middle class. They are not anywhere near the 1%ers.

Talk about putting words in someone's mouth. Did I say the half million dollar home owners were one percenters? No, I am just saying is, if the only reason one can afford a half million dollar mortgage is because of the tax deduction, well they are in over their head and are one financial catastrophe away from default.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Only a liberal could think that allowing a company or individual to keep more of their own hard earned money is considered "free money."

That free money comes at the expense of every other taxpayer, dipshit. It is paid for with higher tax rates on EVERYONE, including the person who gets the gift!

Learn some basic economics, for chrissakes.

I'm sick of all you "gimme gimme gimme and make that guy over there pay for it" leeches.

Damn but your ignorant. Learn some basic economics? You really don't know who you are talking to. Matter of fact, I doubt anyone one this board has the economics background I do. Hell, I did research for the Reagan administration. I worked for Erskine Bowles. So piss off. But first, consider this.

That child tax credit, what is it now, $1500 a year. That is nothing when compared to the value of the mortgage deduction on a half million dollar mortgage. And that deduction requires every other taxpayer to pay more in taxes. So you Trumpsters are bitching about pennies while throwing away dollars. That is stupid. So you go learn some basic economics.

$1500 cash payment per child versus reducing your taxable income by the amount of interest you paid on your mortgage are not Apple and apples, professor.


If the principle of the mortgage still owed is $500,000, the interest paid in a year will be about $20,000. if your marginal tax rate is 33%, that’s roughly $7000 in tax savings from what you pay the Fed.

If you have 4 kids, that’s $6000 cash paid to you if you didn’t pay any taxes.

They don’t seem very disparate to me.

The person who is carrying the $500,000 mortgage is contributing mightily to the economy, and now the tens of thousands of dollars in taxes they are paying is reduced by $7000....so instead of $50,000 in taxes, for example, they will be paying $43,000.

The person with 4 kids and not paying taxes at all, and getting $6,000 in welfare from the Fed is a leech.

You are an economist like I am a brain surgeon.

Paying taxes is not "contributing mightily to the economy", unless you believe that government spending is preferable to private spending. Say the mortgage holder gets an extra seven grand and the child tax credit person gets six thousand. Except that the child tax credit is limited to three kids last I checked. But just another case of ignorance from lack of knowledge.

So impress me and tell me the difference between the mortgage holder spending six grand in tax savings and the child tax credit beneficiary spending six grand in tax credit money. Which one stimulates the economy more and why? I will give you a hint, you will probably want to use terms like multiplier and velocity.

What does physics have to do with economics? All you are attempting to do is justify your apparent lack of understanding of simple fairness.

If you don't pay taxes, why should you get a refund? That is welfare.

 

[BluesLegend]

I'm with Rubio on this issue. Look the senate bill increased the child tax credit to $2,000 and everyone gets the increase EXCEPT poor families. They only get $1,100. That's a gift to Democrats during upcoming elections. DO NOT underestimate the American people's sense of fair play, that's not going to set well with most Americans.

that would be welfare as I already mentioned to you in another thread. they don't qualify since they don't pay into the tax pool. You are for additional free money? I thought you were a conservative?

You don't want me in charge, I'd cut taxes $3 trillion and spending $6 trillion then throw hundreds of government morons in prison for losing $400 billion this year alone to government waste and fraud.

That said why give middle to upper income families a $2,000 per child tax credit then taunt poor families with ha ha you losers get nothing. Do we want to lose elections? Just reduce their rates, don't go looking for trouble.

You'd cut spending $6 trillion dollars on a $4 trillion budget? That would be a major accomplishment. Tell me how you do that. I taught math for years and I don't see how that would work.

Hello the tax bill being discussed is over a 10 year period try to keep up.

 

[Winston]

You really ought to do a little research before spouting off your mouth.

It is a global economy. Now compare it to the rest of the world.

Fyi... The evil energy companies pay the highest effective rate of any sector.

The effective corporate tax rate does compare favorably to the rest of the world. It is right at the average. And I got to ask, if the stated corporate tax rate is such a big deal how come companies are falling all over each other, including Trump's companies, to do business in Dubai. The corporate tax rate in the UAE is higher than ours. If your argument was worth a shit, well no companies would be doing business over there. Instead, it is one of the hottest spots in the world.

If you can make more money there because of the all the rich Arabs, despite the high taxes, why not?

So, it is not the tax rate that matters. It is the demand. Well I be damned.

So it suddenly dawned on you that you were wrong? Praise the Lord!

WTF, are you twelve? You are the one belly aching about tax rates. I am the Keynesian that is trying to teach you that tax rates are irrelevant, it is demand that stimulates business investment.

 

[BluesLegend]

I'm with Rubio on this issue. Look the senate bill increased the child tax credit to $2,000 and everyone gets the increase EXCEPT poor families. They only get $1,100. That's a gift to Democrats during upcoming elections. DO NOT underestimate the American people's sense of fair play, that's not going to set well with most Americans.

that would be welfare as I already mentioned to you in another thread. they don't qualify since they don't pay into the tax pool. You are for additional free money? I thought you were a conservative?

You don't want me in charge, I'd cut taxes $3 trillion and spending $6 trillion then throw hundreds of government morons in prison for losing $400 billion this year alone to government waste and fraud.

That said why give middle to upper income families a $2,000 per child tax credit then taunt poor families with ha ha you losers get nothing. Do we want to lose elections? Just reduce their rates, don't go looking for trouble.

The whole point is to borrow trillions in order to give trillions to the very wealthy.

Don't be stupid, government has spent nearly $40 trillion over the past 10 years and the poor and middle class got the lions share of it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That free money comes at the expense of every other taxpayer, dipshit. It is paid for with higher tax rates on EVERYONE, including the person who gets the gift!

Learn some basic economics, for chrissakes.

I'm sick of all you "gimme gimme gimme and make that guy over there pay for it" leeches.

Damn but your ignorant. Learn some basic economics? You really don't know who you are talking to. Matter of fact, I doubt anyone one this board has the economics background I do. Hell, I did research for the Reagan administration. I worked for Erskine Bowles. So piss off. But first, consider this.

That child tax credit, what is it now, $1500 a year. That is nothing when compared to the value of the mortgage deduction on a half million dollar mortgage. And that deduction requires every other taxpayer to pay more in taxes. So you Trumpsters are bitching about pennies while throwing away dollars. That is stupid. So you go learn some basic economics.

The person getting that child credit is probably employed by the construction company that builds half million dollar houses. I guess you would rather have that person unemployed and sucking the government teat because all of the construction jobs dried up.

Are you really so dense that you actually believe the only reason people build half million dollar homes is because they get to deduct their mortgage interest? Or that without that tax deduction they couldn't afford their mortgage.

No, because I didn't say that. You can show your liberal stripes another way rather than putting words in my mouth.

Your brain is obviously not fully functional. People with half-million dollar homes in states with high real estate costs are strictly middle class. They are not anywhere near the 1%ers.

Talk about putting words in someone's mouth. Did I say the half million dollar home owners were one percenters? No, I am just saying is, if the only reason one can afford a half million dollar mortgage is because of the tax deduction, well they are in over their head and are one financial catastrophe away from default.

The point that went screaming over your head like an F-22 in full afterburner was that none of that matters!

A person who does not pay taxes should not be getting a refund. Justify taking a welfare payment from my checkbook to those who pay no taxes and tell me if that is fair!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I'm with Rubio on this issue. Look the senate bill increased the child tax credit to $2,000 and everyone gets the increase EXCEPT poor families. They only get $1,100. That's a gift to Democrats during upcoming elections. DO NOT underestimate the American people's sense of fair play, that's not going to set well with most Americans.

that would be welfare as I already mentioned to you in another thread. they don't qualify since they don't pay into the tax pool. You are for additional free money? I thought you were a conservative?

You don't want me in charge, I'd cut taxes $3 trillion and spending $6 trillion then throw hundreds of government morons in prison for losing $400 billion this year alone to government waste and fraud.

That said why give middle to upper income families a $2,000 per child tax credit then taunt poor families with ha ha you losers get nothing. Do we want to lose elections? Just reduce their rates, don't go looking for trouble.

You'd cut spending $6 trillion dollars on a $4 trillion budget? That would be a major accomplishment. Tell me how you do that. I taught math for years and I don't see how that would work.

Hello the tax bill being discussed is over a 10 year period try to keep up.

I need to try and keep up because you used the wrong figures? Newsflash, we don't budget for 10 years!

 

[Winston]

Only a liberal could think that allowing a company or individual to keep more of their own hard earned money is considered "free money."

That free money comes at the expense of every other taxpayer, dipshit. It is paid for with higher tax rates on EVERYONE, including the person who gets the gift!

Learn some basic economics, for chrissakes.

I'm sick of all you "gimme gimme gimme and make that guy over there pay for it" leeches.

Damn but your ignorant. Learn some basic economics? You really don't know who you are talking to. Matter of fact, I doubt anyone one this board has the economics background I do. Hell, I did research for the Reagan administration. I worked for Erskine Bowles. So piss off. But first, consider this.

That child tax credit, what is it now, $1500 a year. That is nothing when compared to the value of the mortgage deduction on a half million dollar mortgage. And that deduction requires every other taxpayer to pay more in taxes. So you Trumpsters are bitching about pennies while throwing away dollars. That is stupid. So you go learn some basic economics.

$1500 cash payment per child versus reducing your taxable income by the amount of interest you paid on your mortgage are not Apple and apples, professor.


If the principle of the mortgage still owed is $500,000, the interest paid in a year will be about $20,000. if your marginal tax rate is 33%, that’s roughly $7000 in tax savings from what you pay the Fed.

If you have 4 kids, that’s $6000 cash paid to you if you didn’t pay any taxes.

They don’t seem very disparate to me.

The person who is carrying the $500,000 mortgage is contributing mightily to the economy, and now the tens of thousands of dollars in taxes they are paying is reduced by $7000....so instead of $50,000 in taxes, for example, they will be paying $43,000.

The person with 4 kids and not paying taxes at all, and getting $6,000 in welfare from the Fed is a leech.

You are an economist like I am a brain surgeon.

Paying taxes is not "contributing mightily to the economy", unless you believe that government spending is preferable to private spending. Say the mortgage holder gets an extra seven grand and the child tax credit person gets six thousand. Except that the child tax credit is limited to three kids last I checked. But just another case of ignorance from lack of knowledge.

So impress me and tell me the difference between the mortgage holder spending six grand in tax savings and the child tax credit beneficiary spending six grand in tax credit money. Which one stimulates the economy more and why? I will give you a hint, you will probably want to use terms like multiplier and velocity.

What does physics have to do with economics? All you are attempting to do is justify your apparent lack of understanding of simple fairness.

If you don't pay taxes, why should you get a refund? That is welfare.

Multiplier and velocity are economic terms that would demonstrate which one of the two individuals would contribute more to economic growth. The spending of one will most certainly have a higher multiplier and greater velocity than the spending of the other. Matter of fact, one is going to spend all that money and the other is probably going to save some, which does not stimulate the economy at all. It is called the savings paradox. Something someone with even a basic knowledge of economics should be quite familiar with.