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It's really too bad in what could have been an interesting discussion re the dumbing down of America dissolves into partisan bickering and sniping.
Evenmoreso when that evolves into unnecessary ad hominem and personal insults.
Tsk tsk.
here is truth- even if you are not IN fly over country, you are consigned and cataloged there if you so much as utter anything outside the party/bubble line.
I guess its fair though, you don't have to be IN in Manhattan or San Fran bubble to breath the air or carry the attitude, we just saw it, in spades.
whats the matter with Kansas?
they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who arent like them or anti-immigrant .......
homeschooling = redneck/woolhat/ hillbilly indoctrination; march on christian soldier, the south shall rise again, Nathan Bedford Forrest hero worship and Nascar to compliment their "90 IQ"....
It's really too bad in what could have been an interesting discussion re the dumbing down of America dissolves into partisan bickering and sniping.
Evenmoreso when that evolves into unnecessary ad hominem and personal insults.
Tsk tsk.
here is truth- even if you are not IN fly over country, you are consigned and cataloged there if you so much as utter anything outside the party/bubble line.
I guess its fair though, you don't have to be IN in Manhattan or San Fran bubble to breath the air or carry the attitude, we just saw it, in spades.
whats the matter with Kansas?
they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who arent like them or anti-immigrant .......
homeschooling = redneck/woolhat/ hillbilly indoctrination; march on christian soldier, the south shall rise again, Nathan Bedford Forrest hero worship and Nascar to compliment their "90 IQ"....
Hee hee. Our kids grew up in Kansas--the oldest from second grade on. Got their bachelor degrees at Wichita State. So I know very well of what you speak.
But it isn't just 'fly over' country that is mischaracterized in the dumbing down of America, but those holding a particular ideological perspective. Identify yourself as more conservative than liberal, and you are immediately branded (by the left) as racist, homophobic, bigoted, uncompassionate, greedy, etc. etc. etc.
Need evidence? Just look at some of the comments on this thread alone.
One of the primary causes of dumbing down I think is the prevalence of ideological tunnel vision couple which, without any ability to support conclusions, results in an intolerance that challenges what one has chosen to believe.
In my opinion, it is very difficult for people to learn how to think critically or make any kind of rational value judgments in an environment like that.
Most home schooled kids I ran into in the military were poorly equipped for the real world away from home. The two groups who turned out to be the wildest were home-schoolers and preacher's kids.
That's interesting. I served in the military, too, for twelve years, Army, an SFC when I left for bigger money. The enlisted personal I commanded who were home-schooled, whether in a religious home or not, or came from family's of faith tended to distinguish themselves, both in terms of their professionalism and valor. In fact, I never heard of any of my fellow senior NCOs ever complain about these kids. We were glad to have 'em.
This is where you libs run into a road block.Did it ever occur to you that Fox's numbers are so high because that organization covers the news in a way that separates itself from the others? Did it ever occur to you that the viewers of Fox News look to that organization to get away from the typical tripe of other news sources?.
Yes, Fox News does separate itself from the others. They swing to the right just as far as MSNBC swings to the left. Viewers of Fox News look to the organization to delivery right wing rhetoric to reinforce their beliefs, not that dull news on the other channels. Yep, Fox News deliveries that daily dose of Glenn Beck to charge up those right wing batteries.
You claim the people of the US reject conservatism and that your side is the popular side. Your side in your opinion is deserving of the majority on Capitol Hill because you believe your way is better. You also claim the conservative movement is dying.
That said, how do you explain the high ratings of Fox news is our side is in such a minority?
If anything Fox News swings away from the typical liberal drivel we get from the alphabets.
Fox News is most watched because that news organization is getting it right.
I see that you are another one in a long line of liberals who are incensed over the very existence of a competing news organization that refuses to tow the typical liberal line of the main stream media.
Your problem and that of the political Left is you believe Fox News has no right to exist.
As far your side is concerned Fox News takes the "real story" and pulls it away from the rightful presenters( those with your point of view) and presents it in a way that makes the viewer decide his or her opinion on the events of the day. This is difficult for your side to deal with and if you had your druthers ,you'd just rather not deal with it.
So your side goes on it's daily crusade to impugn Fox News.
News Flash. It's not working. FNC's ratings keep rising while the MSM evening national news casts, their news magazine shows and their Sunday AM political shows keep losing viewers.
The bottom line is the country has had it with Obama's attempt to push the country too far to the left. That is why FNC counts many people who label themselves as "independent" as loyal viewers.
Like it or not, believe it or not, The USA is basically a conservative country.
We are socially moderate and fiscally conservative. Always have been. Always will be.
There is no room for radical liberalism or radical conservatism.
Before you react to that last sentence....Ask yourself why just before every mid term and presidential election Evangelical Conservatives and Bible Thumping rightists are always threatening to sit out elections. Answer. These people are unwelcome in the mainstream conservative movement. Reason.....They frighten people.
My comment was intended as an insult, a retort to the insult by Soggy. Nothing more. That said, I'm sure there are home-schooled children especially in the South who are taught history that favors southern supremecy, etc. Consider that the State of Texas has chosen to revise history several times.I think home-schooling is fine, as long as the parents (or designated tutor) abides by the guidelines, and then only through grade 8. Thereafter, children enter adolescence/teens and are far more susceptible to their parents' influence, including their political preferences which absolutely has an influence on children because that happens anyway. But if their textbooks or "teachings/preachings" reinforce a political persuasion by omission or embellishment of historical fact, then we have a problem. In my opinion.
what?what insult did soggy make? I just read the 'offending' post.whats insulting?
However, I found your knee jerk reaction very revealing as I do your reinforcing of such right here above in the totality of your comments....... in fact you've dropped your panties, to bad really.
Soggy is an insulting asshole. Funny, I didn't used to think so, but you're getting that way too. Sad.
How is it germane? Why, when Palin knows that she garners media attention, did she choose to take her stardom to New Hampshire? Does she want Obama to get beaten or not? It would be one thing if it had been OBAMA visiting New Hampshire. That would have been explainable. Palin is a fucking spoiler for you guys, and the sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll stop making excuses for her behavior and drooling all over her.
ahhhhh...I seeeee, so its germane because the left and you have decided to become altruistic and help "us" out by reporting her every move and bashing the snot out of her....
Excuse me, but doesn't Sarah still work for FoxNews? Didn't she have her own reality show? Doesn't she Twitter all day long alerting everyone where she'll be every step of every day? Do you honestly think she wishes no one would follow her around? Oh you're funny...
you'll stop making excuses for her behavior and drooling all over her.
Eureka!!!!!!NOW I get it thx...
are you kidding me or what?
and, I have made 'excuses' for her?
and the rest? Care to answer?
has anyone asked for say romneys and pawlentys e mails?
do you even know if anyone has?
and, where are then; obama's Illinois state rep. and senatorial emails?
The Palin emails were the result of a TWO-YEAR OLD FOIA REQUEST. By whom, I don't have a clue. But please don't try to pretend someone just recently obtained copies surreptitiously.
And as far as I know, both Romney and Pawlenty are serious, honest candidates who don't send up red flags by their goofy activities that their backgrounds need to be "investigated." I'm doubly sure that Obama's history has been poked and prodded going back from the moment he popped out--in a Hawaiian hospital.
How is it germane? Why, when Palin knows that she garners media attention, did she choose to take her stardom to New Hampshire? Does she want Obama to get beaten or not? It would be one thing if it had been OBAMA visiting New Hampshire. That would have been explainable. Palin is a fucking spoiler for you guys, and the sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll stop making excuses for her behavior and drooling all over her.
ahhhhh...I seeeee, so its germane because the left and you have decided to become altruistic and help "us" out by reporting her every move and bashing the snot out of her....
Excuse me, but doesn't Sarah still work for FoxNews? Didn't she have her own reality show? Doesn't she Twitter all day long alerting everyone where she'll be every step of every day? Do you honestly think she wishes no one would follow her around? Oh you're funny...
Eureka!!!!!!NOW I get it thx...
and, I have made 'excuses' for her?
and the rest? Care to answer?
has anyone asked for say romneys and pawlentys e mails?
do you even know if anyone has?
and, where are then; obama's Illinois state rep. and senatorial emails?
The Palin emails were the result of a TWO-YEAR OLD FOIA REQUEST. By whom, I don't have a clue. But please don't try to pretend someone just recently obtained copies surreptitiously.
And as far as I know, both Romney and Pawlenty are serious, honest candidates who don't send up red flags by their goofy activities that their backgrounds need to be "investigated." I'm doubly sure that Obama's history has been poked and prodded going back from the moment he popped out--in a Hawaiian hospital.
My comment was intended as an insult, a retort to the insult by Soggy. Nothing more. That said, I'm sure there are home-schooled children especially in the South who are taught history that favors southern supremecy, etc. Consider that the State of Texas has chosen to revise history several times.I think home-schooling is fine, as long as the parents (or designated tutor) abides by the guidelines, and then only through grade 8. Thereafter, children enter adolescence/teens and are far more susceptible to their parents' influence, including their political preferences which absolutely has an influence on children because that happens anyway. But if their textbooks or "teachings/preachings" reinforce a political persuasion by omission or embellishment of historical fact, then we have a problem. In my opinion.
what?
However, I found your knee jerk reaction very revealing as I do your reinforcing of such right here above in the totality of your comments....... in fact you've dropped your panties, to bad really.
Soggy is an insulting asshole. Funny, I didn't used to think so, but you're getting that way too. Sad.
It's really too bad in what could have been an interesting discussion re the dumbing down of America dissolves into partisan bickering and sniping.
Evenmoreso when that evolves into unnecessary ad hominem and personal insults.
Tsk tsk.
here is truth- even if you are not IN fly over country, you are consigned and cataloged there if you so much as utter anything outside the party/bubble line.
I guess its fair though, you don't have to be IN in Manhattan or San Fran bubble to breath the air or carry the attitude, we just saw it, in spades.
whats the matter with Kansas?
they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who arent like them or anti-immigrant .......
homeschooling = redneck/woolhat/ hillbilly indoctrination; march on christian soldier, the south shall rise again, Nathan Bedford Forrest hero worship and Nascar to compliment their "90 IQ"....
And in the other corner, we have "godless unpatriotic pierced-nose Volvo-driving France-loving left-wing communist latte-sucking tofu-chomping holistic-wacko neurotic vegan weenie perverts" (hat tip to Dave Barry).
Your point? Cons are no more innocent of ugly labeling than libs are, pal.
ahhhhh...I seeeee, so its germane because the left and you have decided to become altruistic and help "us" out by reporting her every move and bashing the snot out of her....
Excuse me, but doesn't Sarah still work for FoxNews? Didn't she have her own reality show? Doesn't she Twitter all day long alerting everyone where she'll be every step of every day? Do you honestly think she wishes no one would follow her around? Oh you're funny...
Eureka!!!!!!NOW I get it thx...
and, I have made 'excuses' for her?
and the rest? Care to answer?
The Palin emails were the result of a TWO-YEAR OLD FOIA REQUEST. By whom, I don't have a clue. But please don't try to pretend someone just recently obtained copies surreptitiously.
And as far as I know, both Romney and Pawlenty are serious, honest candidates who don't send up red flags by their goofy activities that their backgrounds need to be "investigated." I'm doubly sure that Obama's history has been poked and prodded going back from the moment he popped out--in a Hawaiian hospital.
Well, not quite on Obama's history. He's kept many, many things hidden, even today. He's one of the least transparent Presidents in history.
Morning Joe with Joe Scarborough.Speaking as a former but very active member of the media, I can assure you, however, that the corporate owners exercise very little editorial influence on the media outlets they own. When Rupert Murdoch for instance launched Fox News, he almost certainly hired a rightwing CEO who would provide an alternative to all the other television/cable media outlets that were all leftwing. And he set the standard that all newscasts would be balanced with perspective from all ideological sides. Fox has held to that standard pretty darn well. Editorially, more rightwing than leftwing. But in the newscasts, you'll get both sides (which most leftwingers then conclude is slanted rightwing.
But Murdoch doesn't tell the news managers what stories to run or what slant to put on them.
The CEO of General Electric, when GE owned NBC and its affiliaites, at one point ordered the managers to say nothing negative about Barack Obama or his administration. Of course that drove NBC far left from where it had been but they obeyed the order. He didn't, however, tell them what stories to run or what slant to put on them.
Now that Comcast has taken over the NBC family, I've seen a decided editorial shift away from the far radical left. And their numbers are coming up as a result even though they still tilt left.
The problem with Fox, CNN, and all the alphabet networks is that they no longer do much of anything really in depth. They give the public 30 second soundbites of this and that and the public has learned to prefer to get information in that way and as a result is a far less well educated public. As polarizing and sometimes despised figure as Glenn Beck is, he was the one exception. He did some deep research and provided competent, in depth perspective on a lot of stuff. But he's leaviMOng. And there will be nobody to do that anywhere except the occasional documentary program that most people no longer take time to watch.
Good post, however I would like for you to name a single show on MSNBC that has anything but a far left host.
How is it germane? Why, when Palin knows that she garners media attention, did she choose to take her stardom to New Hampshire? Does she want Obama to get beaten or not? It would be one thing if it had been OBAMA visiting New Hampshire. That would have been explainable. Palin is a fucking spoiler for you guys, and the sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll stop making excuses for her behavior and drooling all over her.
ahhhhh...I seeeee, so its germane because the left and you have decided to become altruistic and help "us" out by reporting her every move and bashing the snot out of her....
what she wants and gets and how people react is wholly their own deal, since she is apparently on 'my side' of the political fence , don't you find it interesting I don't care, and I would speculate a great many others don't either, it appears to me that you guys care more than we do.
you said ;
Maggie, I don't care, I don't make excuses for her ( disclosure one instant ) and the only drolling I see, is folks like yourself who apparently cannot leave it alone....I think if you run a search on palin threads here you would discover that a huge majority of them are made by folks whom have an issue with her of one sort or another.
Eureka!!!!!!NOW I get it thx...
and, I have made 'excuses' for her?
and the rest? Care to answer?
has anyone asked for say romneys and pawlentys e mails?
do you even know if anyone has?
and, where are then; obama's Illinois state rep. and senatorial emails?
The Palin emails were the result of a TWO-YEAR OLD FOIA REQUEST. By whom, I don't have a clue. But please don't try to pretend someone just recently obtained copies surreptitiously.
And as far as I know, both Romney and Pawlenty are serious, honest candidates who don't send up red flags by their goofy activities that their backgrounds need to be "investigated." I'm doubly sure that Obama's history has been poked and prodded going back from the moment he popped out--in a Hawaiian hospital.
so the answer is no.
don't you find it curious that her records were foiaed, if Obamas have been doubly poked linking to them should be simple...*shrugs*can I please see a link to the request for obamas that I stipulated? Its been 2 years as well.......
and romneys and pawlentys? they have had careers as chief execs of their states........more than 2 years ago...
The Palin emails were the result of a TWO-YEAR OLD FOIA REQUEST. By whom, I don't have a clue. But please don't try to pretend someone just recently obtained copies surreptitiously.
And as far as I know, both Romney and Pawlenty are serious, honest candidates who don't send up red flags by their goofy activities that their backgrounds need to be "investigated." I'm doubly sure that Obama's history has been poked and prodded going back from the moment he popped out--in a Hawaiian hospital.
Well, not quite on Obama's history. He's kept many, many things hidden, even today. He's one of the least transparent Presidents in history.
If it's hidden, how do you know it's hidden?
As for transparency, Obama doesn't have a familial history like the Bush name; he rose from State Senator to US Senator, and before that as you all delight in repeating, worked for the betterment of communities, plus did Constitutional law instruction at the University of Chicago. He doesn't really have many visible badges to flaunt. His background is really quite boring if adventure and action is what you look for in a candidate.
And probably yapped at you for 15 minutes about how many ways he was going to dismember you and your entire family.SO you've experienced the pleasantries of Guidos as well.Used to live on Staten Island... nuff said.
As a matter of fact, at the NJ SHore, the locals despise these day tripping out worlders. They refer to them as "Bennies" or "Vinnies".
"Jersey Shore" will hopefully die on the vine.
All to well. My neighbor, we'll call her Marion, got mad at me once and called her boyfriend over on me... his name was Sal and was all of 5'3" with the gold chains and the Vinnie Gumba warmup suit.
The Palin emails were the result of a TWO-YEAR OLD FOIA REQUEST. By whom, I don't have a clue. But please don't try to pretend someone just recently obtained copies surreptitiously.
And as far as I know, both Romney and Pawlenty are serious, honest candidates who don't send up red flags by their goofy activities that their backgrounds need to be "investigated." I'm doubly sure that Obama's history has been poked and prodded going back from the moment he popped out--in a Hawaiian hospital.
Well, not quite on Obama's history. He's kept many, many things hidden, even today. He's one of the least transparent Presidents in history.
If it's hidden, how do you know it's hidden?
As for transparency, Obama doesn't have a familial history like the Bush name; he rose from State Senator to US Senator, and before that as you all delight in repeating, worked for the betterment of communities, plus did Constitutional law instruction at the University of Chicago. He doesn't really have many visible badges to flaunt. His background is really quite boring if adventure and action is what you look for in a candidate.
How is it germane? Why, when Palin knows that she garners media attention, did she choose to take her stardom to New Hampshire? Does she want Obama to get beaten or not? It would be one thing if it had been OBAMA visiting New Hampshire. That would have been explainable. Palin is a fucking spoiler for you guys, and the sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll stop making excuses for her behavior and drooling all over her.
what she wants and gets and how people react is wholly their own deal, since she is apparently on 'my side' of the political fence , don't you find it interesting I don't care, and I would speculate a great many others don't either, it appears to me that you guys care more than we do.
you said ;
Maggie, I don't care, I don't make excuses for her ( disclosure one instant ) and the only drolling I see, is folks like yourself who apparently cannot leave it alone....I think if you run a search on palin threads here you would discover that a huge majority of them are made by folks whom have an issue with her of one sort or another.
The Palin emails were the result of a TWO-YEAR OLD FOIA REQUEST. By whom, I don't have a clue. But please don't try to pretend someone just recently obtained copies surreptitiously.
And as far as I know, both Romney and Pawlenty are serious, honest candidates who don't send up red flags by their goofy activities that their backgrounds need to be "investigated." I'm doubly sure that Obama's history has been poked and prodded going back from the moment he popped out--in a Hawaiian hospital.
so the answer is no.
don't you find it curious that her records were foiaed, if Obamas have been doubly poked linking to them should be simple...*shrugs*can I please see a link to the request for obamas that I stipulated? Its been 2 years as well.......
and romneys and pawlentys? they have had careers as chief execs of their states........more than 2 years ago...
People requested information 544,360 times last year under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act from the 35 largest agencies, up nearly 41,000 more than the previous year, according to an analysis by The Associated Press of new federal data. But the government responded to nearly 12,400 fewer requests.
That's a LOT of requests. Once again, you want instant results. Ain't gonna happen, and it didn't happen when Boooooooooooooosh was prez either. They first have to sort out the silly from the serious; redact potentially classified material, and so on.
I'm curious what you're looking for? Nevermind. I can guess.
