Don't be on the wrong side of history

[Arawyn]

Perfect example of why we have to raise taxes on the wealthy.

So they can spread their wealth? So you and others can dip into what they worked for?

 

[elvis]

Perfect example of why we have to raise taxes on the wealthy.

So they can spread their wealth? So you and others can dip into what they worked for?

pretty much. once chris gets hurt and goes bankrupt from not having any insurance (he's too much of a shitstain to purchase it), you and i will be fitting the bill for his medical expenses.

 

[Arawyn]

How is he mooching?

If he doesn't pay in to SS and FICA, what is he mooching? He pays his taxes. He has no opportunity to claim SSD or SSR.......and I'm betting he has a retirement set up that means no governmental involvement.

Fuckin-A right!!

No gubbament cheez for this little black duck.

FWIW, my OASI account is only vetted for a little more than the minimum, which I either won't get or the USD will be so inflated that it's useless.

IMO, that's the route everyone should take......

 

[Arawyn]

Perfect example of why we have to raise taxes on the wealthy.

So they can spread their wealth? So you and others can dip into what they worked for?

pretty much. once chris gets hurt and goes bankrupt from not having any insurance (he's too much of a shitstain to purchase it), you and i will be fitting the bill for his medical expenses.

Which would explain this thread's advocation of nationalized healthcare, maybe?

 

[elvis]

So they can spread their wealth? So you and others can dip into what they worked for?

pretty much. once chris gets hurt and goes bankrupt from not having any insurance (he's too much of a shitstain to purchase it), you and i will be fitting the bill for his medical expenses.

Which would explain this thread's advocation of nationalized healthcare, maybe?

socialism promotes free-loading behavior that Chris demonstrates ,so probably.

 

[Arawyn]

pretty much. once chris gets hurt and goes bankrupt from not having any insurance (he's too much of a shitstain to purchase it), you and i will be fitting the bill for his medical expenses.

Which would explain this thread's advocation of nationalized healthcare, maybe?

socialism promotes free-loading behavior that Chris demonstrates ,so probably.

Well, his comments in his own thread tend to give credibility to the idea

 

[DiveCon]

So they can spread their wealth? So you and others can dip into what they worked for?

pretty much. once chris gets hurt and goes bankrupt from not having any insurance (he's too much of a shitstain to purchase it), you and i will be fitting the bill for his medical expenses.

Which would explain this thread's advocation of nationalized healthcare, maybe?

thats it exactly
chris is too damn cheap to buy his own coverage so he expects everyone else to foot his bill

 

[Arawyn]

pretty much. once chris gets hurt and goes bankrupt from not having any insurance (he's too much of a shitstain to purchase it), you and i will be fitting the bill for his medical expenses.

Which would explain this thread's advocation of nationalized healthcare, maybe?

thats it exactly
chris is too damn cheap to buy his own coverage so he expects everyone else to foot his bill

damn must be suck to be so jealous of anyone else's achievements.

 

[elvis]

Which would explain this thread's advocation of nationalized healthcare, maybe?

thats it exactly
chris is too damn cheap to buy his own coverage so he expects everyone else to foot his bill

damn must be suck to be so jealous of anyone else's achievements.

he's a pathetic little bastard.

 

[DiveCon]

thats it exactly
chris is too damn cheap to buy his own coverage so he expects everyone else to foot his bill

damn must be suck to be so jealous of anyone else's achievements.

he's a pathetic little bastard.

that he is

 

[Oddball]

Looks like a couple of dummies ended up on the wrong side of both the facts and tax law!

 

[Avatar4321]

Today it would be hard to find one member of Congress who openly advocates the abolition of Medicare or Social Security. It's true that during the Bush Presidency, right-wing Republicans tried to weaken, dilute and privatize both. But their proposals were always passed off as attempts to "strengthen" these programs that have become two of the most popular and widely respected institutions of government.

Ron Paul. That was really tough. And He is far from the only one. And no Im not a Paulite. I simply think that your statement that it would be difficult to find one was incredibly stupid considering the cult following Dr. Paul has.

Of course it wasn't always so. Both Social Security and Medicare were incredibly controversial when they were passed - the first in 1937 and the second in 1964. In fact, their opponents sounded very much like today's Republicans as they denounced them for being "big government takeovers" - or, in the case of Medicare, "socialized medicine."

They still are controversial. They are bankrupting the nation. And they were big government take overs. Look at it.

But it wasn't long after they were enacted that Social Security and Medicare became "third rails" in American politics. Former Senator Bob Dole once made a speech where he said: "I was there, fighting against Medicare." The TV spot reprising that speech during his 1996 campaign against Bill Clinton helped seal Dole's defeat.

I highly doubt that was the reason for Senator Dole's defeat.

The view shared by most Americans - and all senior citizens - was summed up in the slogan for the 2005 campaign to defeat Bush's privatization program: "Hands off my Social Security."

That's because they were misinformed.

See they thought that their money was actually there. In reality, the government spent it decades ago. If they had any left, it would have been spent in Obama's budget.

In reality, it was the Bush plan that suggested government take their hands off social security by giving people private accounts and letting them control it.

No one brags that their father or grandfather lead the fight to oppose Social Security or Medicare - any more than they brag that their forbearer lead the fight against civil rights. But of course in the 1960's, civil rights did not have the universal acclaim it has today

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I would if they had. To be honest, I have no clue what my grandfather thought politically. I know what my dad thinks though. And Im very proud he has the right view.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. had many detractors who thought his agitation for justice was downright subversive. Others thought that he wanted to move too fast. That extended to the Pastors - many men of good will - who asked him to call off his protests in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963. It was to those Pastors that he wrote his famous letter from the Birmingham jail: "Why We Can't Wait."

What the hell does equal treatment for all men have to do with the government controling our lives?

In 1963 most people would not have dreamed that just a few decades hence, a national holiday would be named after the young organizer and agitator, Martin Luther King.

No, your probably right there. No one usually dreams of what holidays future generations might have. It's a stupid thing to dream about.

However, it still has nothing to do with medicare/social security. Appealing to the emotion of the civil rights movement doesnt support the stupidity of government expansion over our lives.

Every major social advance is surrounded by controversy and conflict. That's because every time there is change in the status quo there are winners and losers. The controversy over President Obama's health care reform does not center mainly on "differences in approach" or academic disagreements over the way that health care systems should be designed in some ideal world. They center instead on battles over wealth and power - just as they did when the Congress created Social Security or Medicare, or passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

How does our government spending money it doesnt have advance society?

You are also wrong. There arent always winners and losers.

When everyones taxes are lowered, everyone wins. They keep more of their money and the economy is stimulated. This benefits every single citizen in the nation.

Conversely, if Obamacare passes, everyone loses. Standard of medical care decreases. Prices increase. Efficiency decreases. Not to mention the deficit explodes and inflation destroys the economy. 25% unemployment benefits no one.

One might argue that the politicians will benefit. But after the people riot and string them up, they wont really be winners either.

You are right about one thing, this is about wealth and power and not at all about the people being served.

 

[Avatar4321]

Social Security and Medicare has taken care of my father and my mother for years and is not bankrupt.

Nice try, though.

Our national budget is $7 Trillion dollars in the Hole. Exactly, how do you think we have any money in either of those programs when we have to borrow trillions of dollars to pay the budget?

How about you get off your ass and take care of your mother and father instead of expecting everyone else to?

 

[Avatar4321]

Where is the CDC in the Constitution? Really freakin' stupid point!

No one claimed it was.

 

[Avatar4321]

Sorry, I'm not an employee. I'm an independent contractor.

And I don't mind paying my taxes.

Ya moocher.

Youre advocating the rich pay for your health care and calling him a moocher?

I will never understand the insanity of people.

 

[Avatar4321]

how is he a moocher if he is paying what he is required to?

An even better question is "How is he a moocher if he is paying what he is required to and doesnt want government handouts to be given to anyone?"

 

[Avatar4321]

So they can spread their wealth? So you and others can dip into what they worked for?

I already love this poster. Let me formally welcome you and thank you for your wise insights.

 

[Arawyn]

So they can spread their wealth? So you and others can dip into what they worked for?

I already love this poster. Let me formally welcome you and thank you for your wise insights.

LOL, thank you.

 

[sealybobo]

The race card rears it's ugly head again from a self-loathing white man. Didn't see that coming!

You missed the point. Expected.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I pay all the taxes I'm required to.

But I'm smart enough to pay at least 15+% less than you....lawfully.

Sucker.

Ya moocher.

How noble of you to stick up for Old Roxy in this thread. It must be true love.

i bet Chrissy is the catcher in the relationship...