Don't be on the wrong side of history

[Harry Dresden]

Ya moocher.

I'm following the law.....The same law you could follow if you weren't such a fool.

He's too busy peddling shit properties.

in places were you need a gun....

 

[Avatar4321]

You missed the point. Expected.

Actually, the point was very obvious. Appeal to an extremely emotional period in history to support your controversial political agenda even though they have absolutely nothing to do with each other. In fact, I could argue that they did the exact opposite.

The Civil rights movement was a movement to provide African Americans and other minorities with the same rights/responsibilities as others in our Republic.

They current healthcare "reform" movement to tae away our rights and responsibilities and give all that power to the government.

The civil rights movement, for the most part, benefited all Americans.

Obama care will benefit no one.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Perfect example of why we have to raise taxes on the wealthy.

So they can spread their wealth? So you and others can dip into what they worked for?

pretty much. once chris gets hurt and goes bankrupt from not having any insurance (he's too much of a shitstain to purchase it), you and i will be fitting the bill for his medical expenses.

dont you just love cockaroaches.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

pretty much. once chris gets hurt and goes bankrupt from not having any insurance (he's too much of a shitstain to purchase it), you and i will be fitting the bill for his medical expenses.

Which would explain this thread's advocation of nationalized healthcare, maybe?

socialism promotes free-loading behavior that Chris demonstrates ,so probably.

you wanna get rid of Chrissy....turn on the lights...

 

[Harry Dresden]

Sorry, I'm not an employee. I'm an independent contractor.

And I don't mind paying my taxes.

Ya moocher.

Youre advocating the rich pay for your health care and calling him a moocher?

I will never understand the insanity of people.

cocaroaches are not sane...human ones anyway...

 

[Navy1960]

Today it would be hard to find one member of Congress who openly advocates the abolition of Medicare or Social Security. It's true that during the Bush Presidency, right-wing Republicans tried to weaken, dilute and privatize both. But their proposals were always passed off as attempts to "strengthen" these programs that have become two of the most popular and widely respected institutions of government.

Of course it wasn't always so. Both Social Security and Medicare were incredibly controversial when they were passed - the first in 1937 and the second in 1964. In fact, their opponents sounded very much like today's Republicans as they denounced them for being "big government takeovers" - or, in the case of Medicare, "socialized medicine."

But it wasn't long after they were enacted that Social Security and Medicare became "third rails" in American politics. Former Senator Bob Dole once made a speech where he said: "I was there, fighting against Medicare." The TV spot reprising that speech during his 1996 campaign against Bill Clinton helped seal Dole's defeat.

The view shared by most Americans - and all senior citizens - was summed up in the slogan for the 2005 campaign to defeat Bush's privatization program: "Hands off my Social Security."

No one brags that their father or grandfather lead the fight to oppose Social Security or Medicare - any more than they brag that their forbearer lead the fight against civil rights. But of course in the 1960's, civil rights did not have the universal acclaim it has today.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. had many detractors who thought his agitation for justice was downright subversive. Others thought that he wanted to move too fast. That extended to the Pastors - many men of good will - who asked him to call off his protests in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963. It was to those Pastors that he wrote his famous letter from the Birmingham jail: "Why We Can't Wait."

In 1963 most people would not have dreamed that just a few decades hence, a national holiday would be named after the young organizer and agitator, Martin Luther King.

Every major social advance is surrounded by controversy and conflict. That's because every time there is change in the status quo there are winners and losers. The controversy over President Obama's health care reform does not center mainly on "differences in approach" or academic disagreements over the way that health care systems should be designed in some ideal world. They center instead on battles over wealth and power - just as they did when the Congress created Social Security or Medicare, or passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Robert Creamer: Memo to Members of Congress: Don't Be on the Wrong Side of History

"Experience teaches us to be most on our guard to protect
liberty when the government's purposes are beneficent. Men
born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their
liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty
lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning
but without understanding."
-- Justice Louis Brandeis


Chris, in the age where many Americans have grown up with a television and a personal computer as their parents and in a education system that teaches children social studies and not the history of this nation it does not suprise me that people would expect from their Govt. things that they are not empowered to do. A lot of Americans who would rather not seek out in life their own self security and that of their family, look to the Govt. to do these things for them and admire the Govt. when it passes these things out. What people do not realize is that this expectation leads to laziness and dependance on the Govt. and takes from the citizen the ability to choose their own destiny. That is a fundimental principle on which this nation was founded and has guided this nation for over 200 years. While every nation should take care of it's elderly and disabled as that is the mark of an advanced society, a nation that provides all the needs for it's citizens does not trust it's citizens. So if you wish to call that being on the wrong side of history then be my guest, I would put it this way, I am on the right side of the constitution in which the nation I defended was founded and am taking a postion where my daughter and her children will have the ability to make a life in this nation free to choose their own destiny. It's you and those that support this sort of legislation who are on the wrong side of the constitution and your nation and you do so because you feel because your nation owe's you this "right" when then clearly do not.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Chris, in the age where many Americans have grown up with a television and a personal computer as their parents and in a education system that teaches children social studies and not the history of this nation it does not suprise me that people would expect from their Govt. things that they are not empowered to do. A lot of Americans who would rather not seek out in life their own self security and that of their family, look to the Govt. to do these things for them and admire the Govt. when it passes these things out. What people do not realize is that this expectation leads to laziness and dependance on the Govt. and takes from the citizen the ability to choose their own destiny. That is a fundimental principle on which this nation was founded and has guided this nation for over 200 years. While every nation should take care of it's elderly and disabled as that is the mark of an advanced society, a nation that provides all the needs for it's citizens does not trust it's citizens. So if you wish to call that being on the wrong side of history then be my guest, I would put it this way, I am on the right side of the constitution in which the nation I defended was founded and am taking a postion where my daughter and her children will have the ability to make a life in this nation free to choose their own destiny. It's you and those that support this sort of legislation who are on the wrong side of the constitution and your nation and you do so because you feel because your nation owe's you this "right" when then clearly do not.

you just wasted however long it took you to type this Navy.....Christina does not want to hear anything about having to look out for himself.....he wants the tax payer to pay for his lazy cockroach ass....

 

[sealybobo]

You missed the point. Expected.

Actually, the point was very obvious. Appeal to an extremely emotional period in history to support your controversial political agenda even though they have absolutely nothing to do with each other. In fact, I could argue that they did the exact opposite.

The Civil rights movement was a movement to provide African Americans and other minorities with the same rights/responsibilities as others in our Republic.

They current healthcare "reform" movement to tae away our rights and responsibilities and give all that power to the government.

The civil rights movement, for the most part, benefited all Americans.

Obama care will benefit no one.

Nonsense. The Democrats don't want to take on the lobbyists and corporations who will donate to their opponents the next election. Are you really this stupid?

The Dems want to fix healthcare because that is what we elected them to do. The ones that don't want to put single payer on the table have been bribed to obstruct. That's why you are right when you say there is no difference between Dems and Reps because some Dems do act just like Republicans. Notice the Dems that are obstructing have taken money from the healthcare insurance companies, just like the GOP who also work for those companies. And the corporate media works with them too on spinning the facts.

So don't say stupid things. People are dying and/or going bankrupt because of our healthcare system. We elected the Dems to fix it because we knew the GOP would not get in the way of good thing the insurance companies have going.

And if oil goes to $4 a gallon and the Dems deal with it, that doesn't mean they want to take over oil companies, even though that's a great fucking idea.

And they don't want to run the banks, but if the bankers keep fucking us, they might have to. The government should run our finances, not for profit bankers. But good luck dealing with them.

And the GOP all but killed GM and Chrysler the last 8 years. The Dems don't want to own them. They want to save jobs.

So don't act like the Dems enjoy taking on the lobbyists. Just look at how hard this is. Obama's popularity is taking a hit. You think he wants this fight? Don't be a schmuck.

 

[Oddball]

Get back to work, you lazy bum.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Nonsense. The Democrats don't want to take on the lobbyists and corporations who will donate to their opponents the next election. Are you really this stupid?

The Dems want to fix healthcare because that is what we elected them to do. The ones that don't want to put single payer on the table have been bribed to obstruct. That's why you are right when you say there is no difference between Dems and Reps because some Dems do act just like Republicans. Notice the Dems that are obstructing have taken money from the healthcare insurance companies, just like the GOP who also work for those companies. And the corporate media works with them too on spinning the facts.

So don't say stupid things. People are dying and/or going bankrupt because of our healthcare system. We elected the Dems to fix it because we knew the GOP would not get in the way of good thing the insurance companies have going.

And if oil goes to $4 a gallon and the Dems deal with it, that doesn't mean they want to take over oil companies, even though that's a great fucking idea.

And they don't want to run the banks, but if the bankers keep fucking us, they might have to. The government should run our finances, not for profit bankers. But good luck dealing with them.

And the GOP all but killed GM and Chrysler the last 8 years. The Dems don't want to own them. They want to save jobs.

So don't act like the Dems enjoy taking on the lobbyists. Just look at how hard this is. Obama's popularity is taking a hit. You think he wants this fight? Don't be a schmuck.

Bobo....one minute you say the Dems are doing this and that.....and then in the next your saying they are a bunch of sell outs......which are they?....if they are no different then your teabagging Republican friends.....then why are you acting like they are in there fighting for us...when they are not?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Get back to work, you lazy bum.

he has already sold his allotment of Pelosi bobble head dolls for the day.....now he can fuck around....

 

[Navy1960]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyHt25Rfrjg&feature=related]YouTube - Is San Francisco a Model for Health Care Reform?[/ame]

Do you know everywhere you see this sort of mandated healthcare the one thing that stands out the most is cutting your nose off to spite your face. Let me explain, these businesses all cut back to pay for mandatory healthcare costs in services and employee's so what you have is the economic engine that creates jobs punished for this socialized idea of having that which you don't earn. Then these same people turn around and complain because of the lack of jobs. So is it any wonder comming from a state thats social programs have led it to the point where it has to issue IOUS that we would have it championed by members of congress from that very same state?

 

[Harry Dresden]

YouTube - Is San Francisco a Model for Health Care Reform?

Do you know everywhere you see this sort of mandated healthcare the one thing that stands out the most is cutting your nose off to spite your face. Let me explain, these businesses all cut back to pay for mandatory healthcare costs in services and employee's so what you have is the economic engine that creates jobs punished for this socialized idea of having that which you don't earn. Then these same people turn around and complain because of the lack of jobs. So is it any wonder comming from a state thats social programs have led it to the point where it has to issue IOUS that we would have it championed by members of congress from that very same state?

Navy... California is right now and has been for sometime ....UNGOVERNABLE.....way to many entitlement programs that are now biting them in the ass.....State Union deals way out of line....Arnie was foolish to think he was going to make a difference....

 

[Chris]

You missed the point. Expected.

Actually, the point was very obvious. Appeal to an extremely emotional period in history to support your controversial political agenda even though they have absolutely nothing to do with each other. In fact, I could argue that they did the exact opposite.

The Civil rights movement was a movement to provide African Americans and other minorities with the same rights/responsibilities as others in our Republic.

They current healthcare "reform" movement to tae away our rights and responsibilities and give all that power to the government.

The civil rights movement, for the most part, benefited all Americans.

Obama care will benefit no one.

Why do you lie?

Every other Western democracy has a single payer system and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare, and they cover everyone with results that are as good or better than ours.

It is whinny little liars like you that are holding America back.

 

[elvis]

You missed the point. Expected.

Actually, the point was very obvious. Appeal to an extremely emotional period in history to support your controversial political agenda even though they have absolutely nothing to do with each other. In fact, I could argue that they did the exact opposite.

The Civil rights movement was a movement to provide African Americans and other minorities with the same rights/responsibilities as others in our Republic.

They current healthcare "reform" movement to tae away our rights and responsibilities and give all that power to the government.

The civil rights movement, for the most part, benefited all Americans.

Obama care will benefit no one.

Why do you lie?

Every other Western democracy has a single payer system and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare, and they cover everyone with results that are as good or better than ours.

It is whinny little liars like you that are holding America back.

and they all have double the unemployment rate. it is parasitic fucks like you that are trying to bring america DOWN.

 

[Chris]

Actually, the point was very obvious. Appeal to an extremely emotional period in history to support your controversial political agenda even though they have absolutely nothing to do with each other. In fact, I could argue that they did the exact opposite.

The Civil rights movement was a movement to provide African Americans and other minorities with the same rights/responsibilities as others in our Republic.

They current healthcare "reform" movement to tae away our rights and responsibilities and give all that power to the government.

The civil rights movement, for the most part, benefited all Americans.

Obama care will benefit no one.

Why do you lie?

Every other Western democracy has a single payer system and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare, and they cover everyone with results that are as good or better than ours.

It is whinny little liars like you that are holding America back.

and they all have double the unemployment rate. it is parasitic fucks like you that are trying to bring america DOWN.

Why do you lie?

Every Western democracy doesn't have 20% unemployment!

All the right does is lie.

 

[Chris]

Published: June 2, 2009
PARIS — The unemployment rate in the European Union pushed higher in April, indicating that nascent signs of economic recovery had yet to be felt in the labor market.

The seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for the 16 countries that use the euro currency rose to 9.2 percent in April, the highest rate since September 1999, from 8.9 percent in March, the Eurostat agency, the bloc’s statistics office, said Tuesday. In April 2008, the unemployment rate was 7.3 percent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/03/business/global/03euro.html?_r=1

 

[elvis]

Why do you lie?

Every other Western democracy has a single payer system and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare, and they cover everyone with results that are as good or better than ours.

It is whinny little liars like you that are holding America back.

and they all have double the unemployment rate. it is parasitic fucks like you that are trying to bring america DOWN.

Why do you lie?

Every Western democracy doesn't have 20% unemployment!

All the right does is lie.

they have had CONSISTENT unemployment in the double digits for the last FIFTEEN YEARS. try again, shitstain.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Why do you lie?

Every Western democracy doesn't have 20% unemployment!

All the right does is lie.

so Chris help me out here....are you saying the left does not lie?...only the right?...

 

[Oddball]

Every other Western democracy has a single payer system and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare, and they cover everyone with results that are as good or better than ours.

It is whinny little liars like you that are holding America back.

Move to one of those socialist worker's paradises, then.

Problem solved, you simpering little pussy.