Does the truth hurt?

[miami_thomas]

DADT is ended. The DOJ is NOT defending DOMA. Gays can visit their families in the hospital. We get Family Leave if we work for the Federal Government. Those aren't promises but ACTIONS. There is a clear distinction between the two candidates for the LGBT voter.

As far as the marriage act most republicans have a problem with it because marriage is a religious thing. It has nothing to do with gays in general. The fix would either for the government to stop recognizing marriage all together and leave that to the privacy of individuals or to change the marriage term to unions. Make everyone unions under the government instead of marriage.

My company allows for unions for some things not just for gays but even those of us that don’t want to get married. But it is a battle for all and it will be won slowly. But trying to use government to force the issue is not the answer. When government gets into the business of forcing things can go wrong.

When you want the government to do things for you then you are asking government to force it on everyone else. Sure it is what you want but it is still taking someone else’s freedom away. People used to use the government to try and force gays to not be gay. Society was able to eventually end that but now gays want government to force everyone to accept them. Who is wrong here?

Giving all people the SAME EXACT rights is not "forcing" anything on you.

I’m sorry but it is being forced whether you want to call it force or not it is indeed by force. There are those that believe being gay is a sin whether or not you want to agree with that view or not. So you are saying that they should be forced to believe it is not a sin. You want them to be forced to recognize you as being able to get married even though their beliefs is that it is a sin. So yes it is by force.

Why do you want the right to be married?

 

[Liberal]

The tax attorneys (that are 99% Democrats) will simply help the rich find somewhere else to hide their money. Isn’t it funny how that works out huh?

Got a link providing proof?

I suppose they are teh jooz too.. Eh?

Trial lawyers find that generosity to Democrats pays big dividends | Texans for Lawsuit Reform

EDITORIAL: Why liberals are lawyers' puppets - Washington Times

Trial lawyers probably do make more money off of democrats..

That is great, however you failed to support your claim in either link that TAX ATTORNEYS are 99% liberal.

Therefore it is an unfounded lie.

 

[naturegirl]

That is pandering. It is not giving but promising. They can’t give you all those things or they will offend the others they pander to. They pander to tell you why you need the government but if they actually take care of those things then you don’t need them anymore and they will never reach what they really want and that is full government control.

DADT is ended. The DOJ is NOT defending DOMA. Gays can visit their families in the hospital. We get Family Leave if we work for the Federal Government. Those aren't promises but ACTIONS. There is a clear distinction between the two candidates for the LGBT voter.

As far as the marriage act most republicans have a problem with it because marriage is a religious thing. It has nothing to do with gays in general. The fix would either for the government to stop recognizing marriage all together and leave that to the privacy of individuals or to change the marriage term to unions. Make everyone unions under the government instead of marriage.

My company allows for unions for some things not just for gays but even those of us that don’t want to get married. But it is a battle for all and it will be won slowly. But trying to use government to force the issue is not the answer. When government gets into the business of forcing things can go wrong.

When you want the government to do things for you then you are asking government to force it on everyone else. Sure it is what you want but it is still taking someone else’s freedom away. People used to use the government to try and force gays to not be gay. Society was able to eventually end that but now gays want government to force everyone to accept them. Who is wrong here?

Not all Republicans have a problem with gay marriage and many clergy of all ethnic backgrounds have issue with it. In fact, I like many Republicans think government needs to get out of the marriage business completely and leave that up to individual churches and or pastors.

Yes passing laws or writing executive orders for one specific group that has no threat to the public safety is pandering.

Obama cannot give you what you want, it's unconstitutional, so is endorsing all marriages for that matter. There is no provision in the constitution that says married people should be treated differently than those that aren't.

 

[miami_thomas]

Got a link providing proof?

I suppose they are teh jooz too.. Eh?

Trial lawyers find that generosity to Democrats pays big dividends | Texans for Lawsuit Reform

EDITORIAL: Why liberals are lawyers' puppets - Washington Times

Trial lawyers probably do make more money off of democrats..

That is great, however you failed to support your claim in either link that TAX ATTORNEYS are 99% liberal.

Therefore it is an unfounded lie.

It was not meant as fact. But everyone knows most attorneys are democrats. 76% of all attorneys’ money goes to Democrats. That is the same as Hollywood. Sure it is not 99% but I can guarantee you there are far more tax attorneys that are democrats than republicans. You really think a tax attorney wants a flat tax or fair tax? They would be out of business. They need high taxes with a bunch of loop holes to make money for themselves so of course they are going to want Democrats in office. That is what they are good at.

 

[miami_thomas]

DADT is ended. The DOJ is NOT defending DOMA. Gays can visit their families in the hospital. We get Family Leave if we work for the Federal Government. Those aren't promises but ACTIONS. There is a clear distinction between the two candidates for the LGBT voter.

As far as the marriage act most republicans have a problem with it because marriage is a religious thing. It has nothing to do with gays in general. The fix would either for the government to stop recognizing marriage all together and leave that to the privacy of individuals or to change the marriage term to unions. Make everyone unions under the government instead of marriage.

My company allows for unions for some things not just for gays but even those of us that don’t want to get married. But it is a battle for all and it will be won slowly. But trying to use government to force the issue is not the answer. When government gets into the business of forcing things can go wrong.

When you want the government to do things for you then you are asking government to force it on everyone else. Sure it is what you want but it is still taking someone else’s freedom away. People used to use the government to try and force gays to not be gay. Society was able to eventually end that but now gays want government to force everyone to accept them. Who is wrong here?

Giving all people the SAME EXACT rights is not "forcing" anything on you.

And by the way you don’t want the SAME EXACT rights because you have the SAME EXACT rights. You have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. That is a right everyone has. What you want is special rights.

 

[candycorn]

If Democrats did not play to the races, would those races that want to be played still vote for Democrats? If Democrats did not play to the gays, would the gays that want to be played still vote for Democrats? If Democrats did not play to the Jewish, would the Jewish that want to be played still vote for Democrats? If Democrats did not play to the Muslims, would the Muslims that want to be played still vote for Democrats? If Democrats did not play to the poor, would the poor that want to be played still vote for Democrats? If Democrats did not play to the middle class, would the middle class that want to be played still vote for Democrats? If Democrats did not play to the atheists, would the atheists that want to be played still vote for Democrats?

Would the Democrats just based on actual policies ever be able to win a single election? I’m guessing someday soon we will find out. That is because all the playing is becoming more difficult. With the cell phone videos, utube, twitter, and all the social advances, Democrats are finding it much more difficult to tell their lies. They are constantly starting to be caught in their playing and being shown who they really are. Then they have to tell more lies to cover up the lies and even though they still have a willing mainstream media and academia willing to cover for them the lies are still getting exposed. I believe it is only a matter of time before things collapse within the party. Question is will it be reborn with the same name or will there be an all new party all together.

Obama is cruising.

Why is that so? Nobody can figure out what the GOP is for. Romney's medicare plan isn't complete--60 days prior to the election. Here is a quote from his website "detailing" FAQ's about his voucher system:

How high will the premium support be? How quickly will it grow?

Mitt continues to work on refining the details of his plan, and he is exploring different options for ensuring that future seniors receive the premium support they need while also ensuring that competitive pressures encourage providers to improve quality and control cost. His goal is for Medicare to offer every senior affordable options that provide coverage and service at least as good as what today’s seniors receive. Lower income seniors in the future will receive the most generous benefits to ensure that they are able to get care every bit as good as that provided in the current Medicare program.

He doesn't know.

Where is the Governor's stand on abortion? His website says he wants to overturn Roe.
Here he was in 1994...
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECVyuz5iNyQ]Kennedy Destroys Romney In 1994 Debate - YouTube[/ame]

"I sustain and support that law"---Romney on Roe.

Your post is, quite frankly, shit. The GOP has become the party of playing to the crowd; so much so that the #2 on the ticket (no pun intended)...his only contribution to the national dialogue in 13 years--his budget--had to be tossed out because it was such an albatross.

Obama is cruising down the polls.


Maybe Mitt is being a politician and doing what the voters want.

Let me ask you something; did that sound as stupid in your head before you wrote it as it does now that it's on the Internet. So if "the voters" wanted him to invade Bermuda, he'd do it?

What you just wrote was fucking moronic.

This government is for the people by the people. I know Democrats want it for the Government by the Government but it is not there yet and I doubt it ever will be in this country. At least I hope not. But because the Democrats did not listen to the people in the first two years was the beginning of the end for the Democrats.

Go back to sleep junior.

 

[rightwinger]

I just hope one day those on the left will realize pandering does nothing to help them, it's all rhetoric and bullsh*t to get their vote.

What good does it do for me to bring a bunch of people from every ethnic background together and lie to them so they'll work for me. I can promise them the moon but if I have no clue how to harness it, it means nothing, it's just words, words they want to hear.

Now here's the catch, what are you gonna do with that moon if you manage to harness it?? Dems don't think about the future, today is all that matters, the H*ll with future generations.

Who do Republicans pander to?

The one percent who buy elections

You win the grand prize. You brought up the Democrat pandering to the poor and the middle class. Trust me no matter how much they raise the visible tax it will never impact actual revenues. Why you ask? Because it simply modifies behavior and obviously everyone knows this all too well as they use it to influence the purchasing of cigarettes, sugar, etc…. The tax attorneys (that are 99% Democrats) will simply help the rich find somewhere else to hide their money. Isn’t it funny how that works out huh?

Our current economic policies pander to the wealthy

The Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules

Always applies but that does not say it is fruitless to implement policies that will help the middle class and discontinue ineffective policies meant to help the wealthy acquire and maintain more wealth

Trickle down does not work.......they just keep the money

 

[jasonnfree]

When government gets into forcing things do go wrong you say. With this thinking we'd still have slavery, no civil right acts would have been passed, and also no social security, medicare etc. Maybe let the free market take care of these things?

That is pandering. It is not giving but promising. They can’t give you all those things or they will offend the others they pander to. They pander to tell you why you need the government but if they actually take care of those things then you don’t need them anymore and they will never reach what they really want and that is full government control.

DADT is ended. The DOJ is NOT defending DOMA. Gays can visit their families in the hospital. We get Family Leave if we work for the Federal Government. Those aren't promises but ACTIONS. There is a clear distinction between the two candidates for the LGBT voter.

As far as the marriage act most republicans have a problem with it because marriage is a religious thing. It has nothing to do with gays in general. The fix would either for the government to stop recognizing marriage all together and leave that to the privacy of individuals or to change the marriage term to unions. Make everyone unions under the government instead of marriage.

My company allows for unions for some things not just for gays but even those of us that don’t want to get married. But it is a battle for all and it will be won slowly. But trying to use government to force the issue is not the answer. When government gets into the business of forcing things can go wrong.

When you want the government to do things for you then you are asking government to force it on everyone else. Sure it is what you want but it is still taking someone else’s freedom away. People used to use the government to try and force gays to not be gay. Society was able to eventually end that but now gays want government to force everyone to accept them. Who is wrong here?

 

[miami_thomas]

Obama is cruising.

Why is that so? Nobody can figure out what the GOP is for. Romney's medicare plan isn't complete--60 days prior to the election. Here is a quote from his website "detailing" FAQ's about his voucher system:



He doesn't know.

Where is the Governor's stand on abortion? His website says he wants to overturn Roe.
Here he was in 1994...
Kennedy Destroys Romney In 1994 Debate - YouTube

"I sustain and support that law"---Romney on Roe.

Your post is, quite frankly, shit. The GOP has become the party of playing to the crowd; so much so that the #2 on the ticket (no pun intended)...his only contribution to the national dialogue in 13 years--his budget--had to be tossed out because it was such an albatross.

Obama is cruising down the polls.


Maybe Mitt is being a politician and doing what the voters want.

Let me ask you something; did that sound as stupid in your head before you wrote it as it does now that it's on the Internet. So if "the voters" wanted him to invade Bermuda, he'd do it?

What you just wrote was fucking moronic.

This government is for the people by the people. I know Democrats want it for the Government by the Government but it is not there yet and I doubt it ever will be in this country. At least I hope not. But because the Democrats did not listen to the people in the first two years was the beginning of the end for the Democrats.

Go back to sleep junior.

So you think it is moronic for a country to be run by the people. No wonder why you are a Demomcrat. You are certainly in the correct party.

 

[miami_thomas]

When government gets into forcing things do go wrong you say. With this thinking we'd still have slavery, no civil right acts would have been passed, and also no social security, medicare etc. Maybe let the free market take care of these things?

DADT is ended. The DOJ is NOT defending DOMA. Gays can visit their families in the hospital. We get Family Leave if we work for the Federal Government. Those aren't promises but ACTIONS. There is a clear distinction between the two candidates for the LGBT voter.

As far as the marriage act most republicans have a problem with it because marriage is a religious thing. It has nothing to do with gays in general. The fix would either for the government to stop recognizing marriage all together and leave that to the privacy of individuals or to change the marriage term to unions. Make everyone unions under the government instead of marriage.

My company allows for unions for some things not just for gays but even those of us that don’t want to get married. But it is a battle for all and it will be won slowly. But trying to use government to force the issue is not the answer. When government gets into the business of forcing things can go wrong.

When you want the government to do things for you then you are asking government to force it on everyone else. Sure it is what you want but it is still taking someone else’s freedom away. People used to use the government to try and force gays to not be gay. Society was able to eventually end that but now gays want government to force everyone to accept them. Who is wrong here?

That was because the government did not run things. The people ran things then and the government was small and compared to today non-existant. People kill me when they act like without government we would all be dead. There was hardly any governmnet and we grew to the most powerful country in the world.

 

[miami_thomas]

Who do Republicans pander to?

The one percent who buy elections

You win the grand prize. You brought up the Democrat pandering to the poor and the middle class. Trust me no matter how much they raise the visible tax it will never impact actual revenues. Why you ask? Because it simply modifies behavior and obviously everyone knows this all too well as they use it to influence the purchasing of cigarettes, sugar, etc…. The tax attorneys (that are 99% Democrats) will simply help the rich find somewhere else to hide their money. Isn’t it funny how that works out huh?

Our current economic policies pander to the wealthy

The Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules

Always applies but that does not say it is fruitless to implement policies that will help the middle class and discontinue ineffective policies meant to help the wealthy acquire and maintain more wealth

Trickle down does not work.......they just keep the money

And what mythical government does not pander to the wealthy?

Trickle down is a top down and if you worked in improving business you would know when trying to improve you don’t try to strengthen your weaknesses you try and make your strengths stronger and the bottom comes up with it. That is true with everything.

 

[rightwinger]

You win the grand prize. You brought up the Democrat pandering to the poor and the middle class. Trust me no matter how much they raise the visible tax it will never impact actual revenues. Why you ask? Because it simply modifies behavior and obviously everyone knows this all too well as they use it to influence the purchasing of cigarettes, sugar, etc…. The tax attorneys (that are 99% Democrats) will simply help the rich find somewhere else to hide their money. Isn’t it funny how that works out huh?

Our current economic policies pander to the wealthy

The Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules

Always applies but that does not say it is fruitless to implement policies that will help the middle class and discontinue ineffective policies meant to help the wealthy acquire and maintain more wealth

Trickle down does not work.......they just keep the money

And what mythical government does not pander to the wealthy?

Trickle down is a top down and if you worked in improving business you would know when trying to improve you don’t try to strengthen your weaknesses you try and make your strengths stronger and the bottom comes up with it. That is true with everything.

Yes...I remember

JFK phrased it as "A rising tide lifts all boats"

However, it has been convoluted to...."A rising tide lifts the yachts"