Republicans Arguing To Revive A Law From 1864. Nothing Says More About The GOP Than This

[Hutch Starskey]

Every person on the planet throughout human history started off as a couple cells. Every single one.

As did a turnip.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Were you directing your comments towards me?

Yes.

 

[lennypartiv]

Just because Arizona wants to make abortion illegal according to a law passed in 1864 does not mean that they support other laws that were in effect back then.

But it was a more moral time.

 

[Unkotare]

Yes.

 

[Care4all]

I don't see that the GOP brought this up. They'd just as soon not talk about it right now...

The law was always there- it wasn't enforced after 1973. The AZSC ruled a couple days ago that it was now back in effect. Meaning someone in AZ challenged it after the SCOTUS repealed Roe, and the ruling was just handed down.

AZ Dems are making a political play. They don't like the court ruling, and want to end-run the repubs by demanding a repeal of the law now. If the repubs refuse, they will make it a campaign issue.

Repubs are saying no, we'll take this through the debate process and do an amendment (preferably after the election I would guess).

By the republican majority rejecting the old law, simply makes the recent abortion law they legislated that is on their books, their 15 week abortion ban, would be the law of their land.

That is all repubs had to do. They CHOSE repeatedly, not to.

 

[Concerned American]

Damn. Well played.

TBH, They must have codified that 1864 law when the state came into the union in 1912 otherwise, I am not sure a territorial law would have carried over. Meh, they'll overturn it or modify it anyway.

 

[Care4all]

Then if the people are not happy, they can vote in people who modify it, or if the Republicans there are smart, they modify it to include life of the mother.

They have a law on the books they already legislated in recent history....

They had the opportunity to use the law they have and killing the old law. Rs chose not to, several times when given the legal opportunity to do such.

No, the old law does not need to be changed etc...they have a law already, that can be used.

 

[Smokin' OP]

it was never used until Trump!!!!

As usual, you're FOS.

If Trump Gets Convicted, Blame Ulysses S. Grant​

Politico
https://www.politico.com › magazine › 2023/08/03 › e...
Aug 3, 2023 — A post-Civil War statute could make all the difference in the case against the former president.

As the Washington Post recently documented, while the act was precipitated by Klan violence in the 1860s, throughout the 20th century and even in more recent times, “Section 241 has also been used to prosecute a wider range of election subversion, including threatening or intimidating voters, impersonating voters, destroying ballots and preventing the official count of ballots.”

That includes its use to prosecute white people who terrorized civil rights volunteers during the 1964 Freedom Summer in Mississippi and in cases involving election interference in states like Oklahoma, Tennessee and Kentucky. In other words, it is hardly what legal observers call a “strange law,” or a law still on the books but no longer relevant or enforceable.

 

[Libby von H]

Shouts of ‘Shame! Shame!’ erupt in Arizona House as fight over abortion ban engulfs lawmakers

The fight over a newly revived 1864 Arizona law criminalizing abortion throughout pregnancy unless a woman's life is at risk has engulfed the state's lawmakers.

apnews.com

It is too Machiavellian for the Democrats but reviving this Civil War era law (60 or so years before women could vote) and baiting the trap for the GOP...or is it?

I still doubt the Dems framed the GOP so well but if they did...well played guys. You give us all hope

I laugh at how juvenille and unthinking you are

Criticizing a duly-made Arizona law on its age by invoking a Constitution MUCH OLDER !!!!!

 

[22lcidw]

Did the congress vote to remove FISA? End it! Stop the surveillance on people. Especially from the depraved who are so important in their own minds. Get rid of the Patriot Act and Homeland Security.

 

[candycorn]

I laugh at how juvenille and unthinking you are

Criticizing a duly-made Arizona law on its age by invoking a Constitution MUCH OLDER !!!!!

The Constitution was for a country that was founded.

The law you're talking about was 48 years prior to Arizona becoming a state. But since you brought it up...please tell us the "due process" you're citing...was there a legislature, quorums, debate, etc...

 

[martybegan]

No one voted on it.

The legislature did, or do laws just spring up out of thin air in Arizona?

 

[martybegan]

They have a law on the books they already legislated in recent history....

They had the opportunity to use the law they have and killing the old law. Rs chose not to, several times when given the legal opportunity to do such.

No, the old law does not need to be changed etc...they have a law already, that can be used.

You have a link to all this?

 

[Care4all]

You have a link to all this?

Arizona Republicans block attempt to repeal abortion ban

The fight over a newly revived 1864 Arizona law criminalizing abortion throughout pregnancy unless a woman's life is at risk has engulfed the state's lawmakers.

www.cbsnews.com

Arizona Republicans Thwart Attempts to Repeal 1864 Abortion Ban

Democrats in both houses of the Legislature were blocked from advancing bills to roll back the reinstated ban on nearly all abortions in the state.

www.nytimes.com

Arizona Republicans Thwart Attempts to Repeal 1864 Abortion Ban​

By Jack Healy and Kate Zernike
Reporting from Phoenix
April 10, 2024

A decision by Arizona’s highest court upholding an 1864 ban on nearly all abortions created chaos and confusion across the state on Wednesday. As abortion providers were flooded with phone calls from frantic patients, Republican lawmakers at the State Capitol blocked efforts to undo the ban, prompting angry jeers from Democrats.

Democrats, who seized on the decision to resurrect the 160-year-old ban as a pivotal election issue, tried to push bills through the Republican-controlled Legislature to repeal the ban, a move they said would protect women’s health and freedom, and also force Republicans to take a formal vote on the law.

But Republican leaders in the Senate removed one bill from the day’s agenda on Wednesday, legislative aides said. In the House, a Republican lawmaker who had called for striking down the law made a motion to vote on a Democratic repeal bill that has sat stalled for months. But Republican leaders quickly scuttled that effort by calling for a recess, and later adjourned until next Wednesday.
Democrats on the Senate floor yelled “Shame!” and “Save women’s lives!” as their Republican colleagues filed out of the chamber.

 

[martybegan]

Arizona Republicans block attempt to repeal abortion ban

The fight over a newly revived 1864 Arizona law criminalizing abortion throughout pregnancy unless a woman's life is at risk has engulfed the state's lawmakers.

www.cbsnews.com

Arizona Republicans Thwart Attempts to Repeal 1864 Abortion Ban

Democrats in both houses of the Legislature were blocked from advancing bills to roll back the reinstated ban on nearly all abortions in the state.

www.nytimes.com

Arizona Republicans Thwart Attempts to Repeal 1864 Abortion Ban​

By Jack Healy and Kate Zernike
Reporting from Phoenix
April 10, 2024

A decision by Arizona’s highest court upholding an 1864 ban on nearly all abortions created chaos and confusion across the state on Wednesday. As abortion providers were flooded with phone calls from frantic patients, Republican lawmakers at the State Capitol blocked efforts to undo the ban, prompting angry jeers from Democrats.

Democrats, who seized on the decision to resurrect the 160-year-old ban as a pivotal election issue, tried to push bills through the Republican-controlled Legislature to repeal the ban, a move they said would protect women’s health and freedom, and also force Republicans to take a formal vote on the law.

But Republican leaders in the Senate removed one bill from the day’s agenda on Wednesday, legislative aides said. In the House, a Republican lawmaker who had called for striking down the law made a motion to vote on a Democratic repeal bill that has sat stalled for months. But Republican leaders quickly scuttled that effort by calling for a recess, and later adjourned until next Wednesday.
Democrats on the Senate floor yelled “Shame!” and “Save women’s lives!” as their Republican colleagues filed out of the chamber.

it's not a replacement law, it's a repeal law.

 

[berg80]

What's fascinating to watch is Don simultaneously claiming credit for overturning Roe and running from the fact he did.

Trump Cornered Like the Feral Beast He Is In the Abortion Crisis of His Own Making​

It is bracing, remarkable and simply amazing to watch the sheer panic among Republicans, and especially Donald Trump, in reaction to the Arizona Supreme Court decision which put the state back under the near-absolute 1864 abortion ban. We talked a few days ago about Kari Lake’s desperate attempts to get out of the way of the backlash. Today Donald Trump went on Truth Social and demanded that Gov. Katie Hobbs and the Republican state legislature “remedy what has happened.” But if you look at what he says he doesn’t seem willing to call for anything more than adding rape and incest to the list of possible exceptions under the 1864 law? “We must ideally have three Exceptions for Rape, Incest, and the Life of the Mother.”

Trump Cornered Like the Feral Beast He Is In the Abortion Crisis of His Own Making

It is bracing, remarkable and simply amazing to watch the sheer panic among Republicans, and especially Donald Trump, in reaction to the Arizona Supreme Court decision which put the state back under…

talkingpointsmemo.com

 

[martybegan]

What's fascinating to watch is Don simultaneously claiming credit for overturning Roe and running from the fact he did.

Trump Cornered Like the Feral Beast He Is In the Abortion Crisis of His Own Making​

It is bracing, remarkable and simply amazing to watch the sheer panic among Republicans, and especially Donald Trump, in reaction to the Arizona Supreme Court decision which put the state back under the near-absolute 1864 abortion ban. We talked a few days ago about Kari Lake’s desperate attempts to get out of the way of the backlash. Today Donald Trump went on Truth Social and demanded that Gov. Katie Hobbs and the Republican state legislature “remedy what has happened.” But if you look at what he says he doesn’t seem willing to call for anything more than adding rape and incest to the list of possible exceptions under the 1864 law? “We must ideally have three Exceptions for Rape, Incest, and the Life of the Mother.”

Trump Cornered Like the Feral Beast He Is In the Abortion Crisis of His Own Making

It is bracing, remarkable and simply amazing to watch the sheer panic among Republicans, and especially Donald Trump, in reaction to the Arizona Supreme Court decision which put the state back under…

talkingpointsmemo.com

How so? Wanting to overturn Roe doesn't mean you want a national abortion ban, or even a State level abortion ban.

 

[Care4all]

it's not a replacement law, it's a repeal law.

Yes, a repeal. The repeal makes the 15 week ban law on the books, the law of the land replacement.

 

[martybegan]

Yes, a repeal. The repeal makes the 15 week ban law on the books, the law of the land replacement.

The thing is none of this will happen for a few months. Dems are complaining like this thing goes into effect right away.

Why it matters: Abortions are likely to become unavailable within two months if the ban isn't repealed. If it is repealed, a 2022 law allowing abortions through 15 weeks of pregnancy would go into effect — though that likely wouldn't be for a few months.

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/10/arizona-abortion-repeal-republicans-block

 

[Orangecat]

Their coming for all the rights women have gained since the Civil War.

Vote them out in every state ladies, it's up to you now. Right the fuck out!

Theresa Martinez, the GOP House whip: “In my opinion, removing healthy babies from healthy mothers is not health care nor reproductive care. Pregnancy is not an illness. It should be celebrated. It is an abortion that terminates life.”

Hmmm, Theresa Martinez sounds like a Hispanic woman to me, and her logic here is sound. I’m pro-choice, but facts are facts.