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Prove that you are a result of God's work. You can't. You can believe you are, but that is not proof....
It's evidence. Enough to draw a hypothosis and test it.
You have two choices. You can wait around for proof of everything and learn nothing. Or you can test and try things and learn something.
Maybe you should stop waiting for people to prove things to you and instead take an interest in learning things for yourself. Test and try things. It makes life fun.
Explain to me why children die of cancer if there is a god.
A great quote that I'd heard a while ago.......
I'd rather live as if there WAS a God and die to find out there isn't, than to live like there ISN'T a God and die to find out there is.
What are you implying, that you only do the right thing because you think God is watching and judging?
A great quote that I'd heard a while ago.......
I'd rather live as if there WAS a God and die to find out there isn't, than to live like there ISN'T a God and die to find out there is.
What are you implying, that you only do the right thing because you think God is watching and judging?
You want to be close to G*d because: if He is merciful and allows you to go to heaven, it will be ecstasy for ever after, just from being close to Him (groupies have no idea how great it will be, comparitively speaking).
You do not want to offend G*d because: once you have been in His presence, and are forced to be away from Him, it will cause excruciating grief (if you were still in physical form, you would be insane).
I had a similar conversation with my preacher back when my Mom died from cancer, RDD, and I've taken his advice to heart,So I'm still not understanding what children cancer patients did or didn't do to deserve to be killed at such a young innocent age. Why doesn't God let them live full productive lives?
Maybe you can explain in layman's terms what this means in relation to children dying of cancer - "people utilize their self will and by not following God's direction, end up in places (or have things happen) that is away from Him, and then they die."
Please correct me where I have this wrong, but the way I'm reading what you wrote is that children with cancer, have cancer because they failed to follow the direction of God and the result they get is Cancer. Do I have that right?
When something happens I don't see it as "something bad happening TO me". It could be something good happening FOR someone else.
I recently lost a friend of mine. He dated a grand daughter of mine for years. He partied too hard with pills an booze.
Now there are 4 or 5 other people that just got a new lease of life.
There were several young people, at his memorial, that came up to speak about the lesson they have taken from his death.
This one death could, potentially, save dozens of others.
That's great that people learned something from his death. But what has a child done to deserve death at such a young age. What productive lesson could possibly be learned from hundreds of thousands of children dying of cancer every year? It doesn't add up.
It's evidence. Enough to draw a hypothosis and test it.
You have two choices. You can wait around for proof of everything and learn nothing. Or you can test and try things and learn something.
Maybe you should stop waiting for people to prove things to you and instead take an interest in learning things for yourself. Test and try things. It makes life fun.
Explain to me why children die of cancer if there is a god.
speaking of nazi conservatives
there were a number of attempts to kill/assassinate hitler....
ALL of them failed!
it was as if hitler was being protected by....god......
i can't worship a god that protects hitler, fixes football games, and intends to punish good people for all eternity simply for not believing in him
What are you implying, that you only do the right thing because you think God is watching and judging?
You want to be close to G*d because: if He is merciful and allows you to go to heaven, it will be ecstasy for ever after, just from being close to Him (groupies have no idea how great it will be, comparitively speaking).
You do not want to offend G*d because: once you have been in His presence, and are forced to be away from Him, it will cause excruciating grief (if you were still in physical form, you would be insane).
A God junkie?
Explain to me why children die of cancer if there is a god.
speaking of nazi conservatives
there were a number of attempts to kill/assassinate hitler....
ALL of them failed!
it was as if hitler was being protected by....god......
i can't worship a god that protects hitler, fixes football games, and intends to punish good people for all eternity simply for not believing in him
Are you sure it was God protecting Hitler? If so, wanna explain why God would want the eradication of His Chosen People? I don't thing it was God protecting Hitler, it was someone else...............think really LOW.
As far as cancer? Anyone ever think of the possibility that cancer is kinda like polio, and mankind should work TOGETHER to find a cure? And by the way......as far as a cure for cancer, look up "cancer" and "nanodiamonds" sometime. Some VERY promising research on that front right now.
I had a similar conversation with my preacher back when my Mom died from cancer, RDD, and I've taken his advice to heart,
When something happens I don't see it as "something bad happening TO me". It could be something good happening FOR someone else.
I recently lost a friend of mine. He dated a grand daughter of mine for years. He partied too hard with pills an booze.
Now there are 4 or 5 other people that just got a new lease of life.
There were several young people, at his memorial, that came up to speak about the lesson they have taken from his death.
This one death could, potentially, save dozens of others.
That's great that people learned something from his death. But what has a child done to deserve death at such a young age. What productive lesson could possibly be learned from hundreds of thousands of children dying of cancer every year? It doesn't add up.
Children are the result of "parents". What two people do to their bodies, can and does affect their children. People have "free will". If the Lord goes around stopping those that make bad decisions, free will is useless (people would not learn).
In some cases those that are sick, diseased, tortured are touching other people that the Lord is trying to reach. Their pain makes those around them "grow" as "humans". It does not seem fair to us that the Lord does not stop that, but we do not know how much the Lord is actually helping them: reducing the pain that they would feel, helping keep their spirits high, keeping them from sinking into self-pity. It is possible that when the Lord knows the pain of watching loved ones suffer is unbearable, He takes them to a much better place where they will never have to live thru the suffering and pain they would have had to endure as teenagers or adults. Once they are in His presence, all pain is forgotten.
While "His" hope would be that we all would just know of His love and His wish for us to do well, He has to let us do it for ourselves. To choose Him, takes faith.
RDD, you're a Really Dumb Dude who can't look past their own nose.
Not up to me to convince you, because I do know and am happy about the answers.
It's only the self absorbed who want to deny something exists that try to use the arguments you've been using.
RDD, you're a Really Dumb Dude who can't look past their own nose.
Not up to me to convince you, because I do know and am happy about the answers.
It's only the self absorbed who want to deny something exists that try to use the arguments you've been using.
Insults now?
I'm asking for explanations to the obviously flawed logic as to how God could let terrible things happen to innocent people. I've yet to hear a sensible response.
Don't get mad at me because you're entire world is based on lies and just the thought that there might not be a God scares you so much that you feel the need to insult people who offer counter-opinions.
I'd love if there was an invisible entity all around us, watching us and keeping us safe. But you look at the world and see the way things work and it makes me realize that no God could possibly let some of the horrible things happen that occur every day. So that makes me think that either god doesn't care, God has no power, OR........There is no God.
Explain to me why children die of cancer if there is a god.
speaking of nazi conservatives
there were a number of attempts to kill/assassinate hitler....
ALL of them failed!
it was as if hitler was being protected by....god......
i can't worship a god that protects hitler, fixes football games, and intends to punish good people for all eternity simply for not believing in him
Are you sure it was God protecting Hitler? If so, wanna explain why God would want the eradication of His Chosen People? I don't thing it was God protecting Hitler, it was someone else...............think really LOW.
God doesn't fix football games either, that is done by greedy humans.
And does God punish people for all eternity? No. Read the Talmud and the Torah sometime.
As far as cancer? Anyone ever think of the possibility that cancer is kinda like polio, and mankind should work TOGETHER to find a cure? And by the way......as far as a cure for cancer, look up "cancer" and "nanodiamonds" sometime. Some VERY promising research on that front right now.
RDD, you're a Really Dumb Dude who can't look past their own nose.
Not up to me to convince you, because I do know and am happy about the answers.
It's only the self absorbed who want to deny something exists that try to use the arguments you've been using.
Insults now?
I'm asking for explanations to the obviously flawed logic as to how God could let terrible things happen to innocent people. I've yet to hear a sensible response.
Don't get mad at me because you're entire world is based on lies and just the thought that there might not be a God scares you so much that you feel the need to insult people who offer counter-opinions.
I'd love if there was an invisible entity all around us, watching us and keeping us safe. But you look at the world and see the way things work and it makes me realize that no God could possibly let some of the horrible things happen that occur every day. So that makes me think that either god doesn't care, God has no power, OR........There is no God.
Wrong.........basically you're like those idiots back in the 60's and early 70's who stated that the moon landing was a hoax. We really DID go there, and brought back rocks, but someone who thought the landing was faked would state those are just simple volcanic rocks that someone found.
You're doing the same thing with cancer and other things. God doesn't necessarily decide to off someone because He needs entertainment, but because YOU don't believe in something and act accordingly, you reinforce your own negative view of Him.
Try looking outside your own narrow views sometime and you may see it. By the way, my beliefs didn't start with Christianity, because the Christians had lied to me repeatedly, with many different varieties when I was younger. After I became a Taoist and saw things, I started to see where things were similar rather than different.
Your logic is airtight in it's refusal to look at things. I can't help you with that, you're just gonna have to figure it out yourself.
No. God DOESN'T give people cancer, people do. Look at all the crap we put in our air, water and food as well as what we pollute the ground with.
Doctors have recently released a study that states cancer is much more prevalent today than it was hundreds of years ago.
That's great that people learned something from his death. But what has a child done to deserve death at such a young age. What productive lesson could possibly be learned from hundreds of thousands of children dying of cancer every year? It doesn't add up.
Children are the result of "parents". What two people do to their bodies, can and does affect their children. People have "free will". If the Lord goes around stopping those that make bad decisions, free will is useless (people would not learn).
In some cases those that are sick, diseased, tortured are touching other people that the Lord is trying to reach. Their pain makes those around them "grow" as "humans". It does not seem fair to us that the Lord does not stop that, but we do not know how much the Lord is actually helping them: reducing the pain that they would feel, helping keep their spirits high, keeping them from sinking into self-pity. It is possible that when the Lord knows the pain of watching loved ones suffer is unbearable, He takes them to a much better place where they will never have to live thru the suffering and pain they would have had to endure as teenagers or adults. Once they are in His presence, all pain is forgotten.
While "His" hope would be that we all would just know of His love and His wish for us to do well, He has to let us do it for ourselves. To choose Him, takes faith.
LOL, so let me get this straight. Innocent children who have never harmed anyone are being killed by God because of something that their parents did? This is what you are claiming? That all children who die of cancer because their parents are evil? So God punishes the innocent due to the action of the evil? Doesn't seem like a person I'd vote for, for Mayor let alone pray to as my "god".
Your logic is airtight in it's refusal to look at things. I can't help you with that, you're just gonna have to figure it out yourself.
No. God DOESN'T give people cancer, people do. Look at all the crap we put in our air, water and food as well as what we pollute the ground with.
Doctors have recently released a study that states cancer is much more prevalent today than it was hundreds of years ago.
My logic is far from airtight, if I thought that I wouldn't bother trying to have this discussion and understand why people believe what they believe.
As to your points-
Ok fine. People give cancer to each other. No arguments here.
Next question -
Why doesn't God step in to at least help those that are truly innocent, yet are affected by mans actions which is no fault of their own?
Children are the result of "parents". What two people do to their bodies, can and does affect their children. People have "free will". If the Lord goes around stopping those that make bad decisions, free will is useless (people would not learn).
In some cases those that are sick, diseased, tortured are touching other people that the Lord is trying to reach. Their pain makes those around them "grow" as "humans". It does not seem fair to us that the Lord does not stop that, but we do not know how much the Lord is actually helping them: reducing the pain that they would feel, helping keep their spirits high, keeping them from sinking into self-pity. It is possible that when the Lord knows the pain of watching loved ones suffer is unbearable, He takes them to a much better place where they will never have to live thru the suffering and pain they would have had to endure as teenagers or adults. Once they are in His presence, all pain is forgotten.
While "His" hope would be that we all would just know of His love and His wish for us to do well, He has to let us do it for ourselves. To choose Him, takes faith.
LOL, so let me get this straight. Innocent children who have never harmed anyone are being killed by God because of something that their parents did? This is what you are claiming? That all children who die of cancer because their parents are evil? So God punishes the innocent due to the action of the evil? Doesn't seem like a person I'd vote for, for Mayor let alone pray to as my "god".
I never said they "were killed by G*d". I said that if someone poisons their body (knowingly or not), it will be passed to their children. Have you ever seen "crack babies"? That was not G*d. That was uncaring parents. I did not say the parents were "evil". I said the children live with the parents' choices.
People were given the ability to reason, as a gift from G*d. It is also called "free will". Cancer is tricky, it can be hereditary, caused by environment, and can be manipulated thru diet (for progressing or retracting). To declare the each and every case "is caused by G*d" is extreme denial of a person's choices.
I know of no case of cancer where the patient claimed that the Lord "gave it to them". I do know of people that had cancer that claimed the Lord "gave them the strength to deal with it" physically, emotionally, and spiritually, and in some cases, cured it.
I wonder about your bitterness. If you are so willing to blame the Lord for all the terrible things, are you willing to give Him praise for all the good things in the world: a child's smile, a beautiful sky, scenery, having something you were looking for placed where you happened to be, not necessarily looking there, love, compassion, generosity, kindess and helping others?
I am sorry that you can not praise the Lord. Are you grateful for anything?
