Do You Believe Based on Evidence, Russia Changed Outcome of 2016 Election

[playtime]

changed?

no.

influenced deplorables by playing on their poorly educated fears & racism, fence sitters, & jill stein voters & bernie bros especially after those 'discovered' duplicate e-mails on weiner's computer came into play?

yep.

and just as likely the 'known fact it was Hillarys turn', which polls kept proving, kept voters at home, instead of going to the polls and ensuring it.

those that didn't vote have no say whatsoever. they are dismissed & rightly so.

 

[Siete]

Do You Believe Based on Evidence, Russia Changed Outcome of 2016 Election


NO, NO. NO - constant negative press and bashing always works to the benefit of the party who is being attacked .



(really stupid f'n question)

 

[aaronleland]

Even the intelligence community isn't saying they "changed the outcome". In fact I haven't heard anybody aside from maybe a couple partisan hacks on USMB ever make that claim. The concern isn't whether or not they changed the outcome. It's whether or not they were involved in any meddling. Let's say a football team cheats, but the other side still wins. We don't let the cheaters off the hook just because they failed to have any effect on the outcome.

 

[Geaux4it]

Do You Believe Based on Evidence, Russia Changed Outcome of 2016 Election


NO, NO. NO - constant negative press and bashing always works to the benefit of the party who is being attacked .



(really stupid f'n question)

Even if its true?

-Geaux

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

My answer is no

-Geaux

I believe the 2016 election to be the most corrupt in my lifetime. I believe the republicans were more successful than their democrat counterparts in successfully rigging an American election for their 'guy'.

You're kidding right? The Republicans hated DJT. He steamrolled all comers. 12 of them.... You think they helped him?

No way

-Geaux

I guess we'll find out, then.

 

[Likkmee]

I dont see enough to pull me either way but if it was the Ruskies who kept el trippa puta out of office > Put them on the payroll from now on.

 

[Geaux4it]

Even the intelligence community isn't saying they "changed the outcome". In fact I haven't heard anybody aside from maybe a couple partisan hacks on USMB ever make that claim. The concern isn't whether or not they changed the outcome. It's whether or not they were involved in any meddling. Let's say a football team cheats, but the other side still wins. We don't let the cheaters off the hook just because they failed to have any effect on the outcome.

Russia, like the United States, have meddled in other countries elections for decades now.

But this is different?

-Geaux

 

[Auld Phart]

changed?

no.

influenced deplorables by playing on their poorly educated fears & racism, fence sitters, & jill stein voters & bernie bros especially after those 'discovered' duplicate e-mails on weiner's computer came into play?

yep.

and just as likely the 'known fact it was Hillarys turn', which polls kept proving, kept voters at home, instead of going to the polls and ensuring it.

those that didn't vote have no say whatsoever. they are dismissed & rightly so.

and they MAY be the reason Hillary lost in those states

 

[Care4all]

It's very simple, and it concerns me. Is it possible that they in fact hacked servers and changed votes? That is the only way they impacted the election and in the back of my mind I have always suspected it could be possible, just because of the reaction. All the more reason to demand ID to vote.

Otherwise, no way in hell they make up the difference. That is all on Hillary and Americans desire for change. Obama is as much a reason Trump is president as any, he was dragging America to socialism.

Did the hacking of the DNC servers affect the election? Yes...but only because it revealed how sleazy and corrupt the leaders of the DNC were and how they were busy screwing over Bernie Sanders to hand the nomination to Hillary Clinton.
To be painfully blunt...if Hillary and her minions hadn't been so sleazy and corrupt...then the Russians wouldn't have had anything to embarrass her and the Democratic National Committee with. It's a chicken or the egg type of argument but the bottom line is that if you don't do sleazy and corrupt things...then you can't be embarrassed by people finding out about what you've done.

It's a badge of honor now to play stupid and close your eyes, ears and mind, eh?

The CRIMINALLY stolen emails, and weaponizing them and the promotion of the Russian propaganda to split Hillary voters and Bernie voters by the Russian Trolls, and Russian bots, and the conservative journalist who was coordinating with Assange... who was told by wikileaks of what was going to be released on the stolen emails so he could write a skewed article to spread around the internet with the bots at the same time of the release, and with President Trump PROMOTING the stolen emails on wikileaks 160 times in just the one month prior to the election....

COULD HAVE most certainly affected the vote....their goal was to keep people from voting for Hillary through division of the Bernie camp and the Hillary camp. I did not say it did, but it COULD HAVE......

The indictment released on Friday, spells it out....

Also

WHY DOES IT MATTER if it worked or not?

A crime is a crime is a crime.....

If you try to rob a store, but don't succeed to rob the goods from that store, does that make you any less of a criminal?

If you try to rape someone, but don't succeed, does that make it all A_OK?

If you try to murder someone by shooting them, and your bullet missed, does that mean you did not commit a crime just because you missed?

It's called

Attempted Robbery ......and IS A CRIME.

Attempted Rape ...........and IS A CRIME

Attempted Murder ........and IS A CRIME

 

[playtime]

Even the intelligence community isn't saying they "changed the outcome". In fact I haven't heard anybody aside from maybe a couple partisan hacks on USMB ever make that claim. The concern isn't whether or not they changed the outcome. It's whether or not they were involved in any meddling. Let's say a football team cheats, but the other side still wins. We don't let the cheaters off the hook just because they failed to have any effect on the outcome.

Russia, like the United States, have meddled in other countries elections for decades now.

But this is different?

-Geaux

yes. it was US. why is that ok with you?

 

[jc456]

If Russians helped Trump to be elected where is the frickn' EVIDENCE????????

It's been almost 2 years and only blah-blah instead of single fact!

What kind of evidence would prove it, to you?

What is it that you want to see?

evidence. Like an actual intelligence agency looked into the DNC Server for instance. That is all.

 

[aaronleland]

changed?

no.

influenced deplorables by playing on their poorly educated fears & racism, fence sitters, & jill stein voters & bernie bros especially after those 'discovered' duplicate e-mails on weiner's computer came into play?

yep.

and just as likely the 'known fact it was Hillarys turn', which polls kept proving, kept voters at home, instead of going to the polls and ensuring it.

those that didn't vote have no say whatsoever. they are dismissed & rightly so.

Of course we have a say. Especially if we spent over a year criticizing both candidates. Both sides had been presented with plenty of information about the candidates for years, and still the two worst possible candidates won the primaries. Why then should non-voters be dragged into the shit show they had no part in creating?

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Even the intelligence community isn't saying they "changed the outcome". In fact I haven't heard anybody aside from maybe a couple partisan hacks on USMB ever make that claim. The concern isn't whether or not they changed the outcome. It's whether or not they were involved in any meddling. Let's say a football team cheats, but the other side still wins. We don't let the cheaters off the hook just because they failed to have any effect on the outcome.

Russia, like the United States, have meddled in other countries elections for decades now.

But this is different?

-Geaux

So, we're supposed to sit on our thumbs and allow this even further by working with Russia? I say, give them nothing besides the middle finger. Retaliate if necessary.

 

[sartre play]

Obama was not dragging America any where, got the nomination & weeks latter him & McCain rush to the capital to help put there fingers in the dike, the sky is falling the sky is falling. lots of quick choices had to be made, if those we elect & pay good money to keep things running. would work for us not for them self's & the top 10% we could hammer out deals that work better for the many not just the few. both half's of the isle need to be working for us not there political party of choice.

 

[playtime]

changed?

no.

influenced deplorables by playing on their poorly educated fears & racism, fence sitters, & jill stein voters & bernie bros especially after those 'discovered' duplicate e-mails on weiner's computer came into play?

yep.

and just as likely the 'known fact it was Hillarys turn', which polls kept proving, kept voters at home, instead of going to the polls and ensuring it.

those that didn't vote have no say whatsoever. they are dismissed & rightly so.

and they MAY be the reason Hillary lost in those states

hillary lost the electoral college. by some 75K votes.

 

[jc456]

Even the intelligence community isn't saying they "changed the outcome". In fact I haven't heard anybody aside from maybe a couple partisan hacks on USMB ever make that claim. The concern isn't whether or not they changed the outcome. It's whether or not they were involved in any meddling. Let's say a football team cheats, but the other side still wins. We don't let the cheaters off the hook just because they failed to have any effect on the outcome.

Russia, like the United States, have meddled in other countries elections for decades now.

But this is different?

-Geaux

yes. it was US. why is that ok with you?

why is it ok for the US to interfere in other countries?

 

[jc456]

changed?

no.

influenced deplorables by playing on their poorly educated fears & racism, fence sitters, & jill stein voters & bernie bros especially after those 'discovered' duplicate e-mails on weiner's computer came into play?

yep.

and just as likely the 'known fact it was Hillarys turn', which polls kept proving, kept voters at home, instead of going to the polls and ensuring it.

those that didn't vote have no say whatsoever. they are dismissed & rightly so.

and they MAY be the reason Hillary lost in those states

hillary lost the electoral college. by some 75K votes.

and?

 

[Auld Phart]

It is very obvious to the unbiased eye.
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You know someone with an unbiased eye?

Got any 'artwork' from him?

 

[Norman]

My answer is no

-Geaux

We have been waiting for the evidence for almost two years now, so far no one has been able to provide event a hint of such.

However, the evidence that Hillary sucked on all levels is overwhelming.

The decision in this light is, one of the easiest I have made.

 

[Geaux4it]

Even the intelligence community isn't saying they "changed the outcome". In fact I haven't heard anybody aside from maybe a couple partisan hacks on USMB ever make that claim. The concern isn't whether or not they changed the outcome. It's whether or not they were involved in any meddling. Let's say a football team cheats, but the other side still wins. We don't let the cheaters off the hook just because they failed to have any effect on the outcome.

Russia, like the United States, have meddled in other countries elections for decades now.

But this is different?

-Geaux

yes. it was US. why is that ok with you?

Because it is like water is wet. Russia has been committing espionage on the US for decades. Just like we have on them, and other countries.

-Geaux