Do the poor really have no wealth?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

but even the liberal Hitler won an election and so did the big government liberal who is trying to take over Egypt.

Can a liberal make or win a logical argument in support of liberalism?

Show us admit to lacking the IQ to do so.

Don't quote the Sheman!!!!!

Here is what 99% of us see:

Mr. Shaman
This message is hidden because Mr. Shaman is on your ignore list.

Mr. Sheman is functionally retarded.

....and, WINNING!!!!!!

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typical liberal without the IQ for substance and in this case without the IQ to even know substance is necessary.

 

[Doc91678]

Gee, I guess I'm TFO, cause I remember living in a cold water flat with no bath and sharing the WC with the neighbor. Guess that's too far in the past for most of you. Taking that walk on Saturday to the bath house for your weekly bath and working for fifty cents an hour during WWII and after. Oh, I forgot those were prehistoric days (the 40's,50's and 60's) for most of you. What would you do without your Play Station, or Oui today? What is the definition of poor today? I'm not talking about your monthly Welfare checks either, cause in my day we had no Welfare checks..

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Gee, I guess I'm TFO, cause I remember living in a cold water flat with no bath and sharing the WC with the neighbor. Guess that's too far in the past for most of you. Taking that walk on Saturday to the bath house for your weekly bath and working for fifty cents an hour during WWII and after. Oh, I forgot those were prehistoric days (the 40's,50's and 60's) for most of you. What would you do without your Play Station, or Oui today? What is the definition of poor today? I'm not talking about your monthly Welfare checks either, cause in my day we had no Welfare checks..

Robert Rector: The following are facts about persons defined as “poor” by the Census Bureau, taken from a variety of government reports:

46 percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

Only six percent of poor households are overcrowded; two thirds have more than two rooms per person.

The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

Nearly three quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.

97 percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

78 percent have a VCR or DVD player.

62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

89 percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

As a group, America’s poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100-percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, super-nourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and ten pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.

While the poor are generally well-nourished, some poor families do experience temporary food shortages. But, even this condition is relatively rare; 89 percent of the poor report their families have “enough” food to eat, while only two percent say they “often” do not have enough to eat.

Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR, or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry, and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family’s essential needs. While this individual’s life is not opulent, it is far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians.

Of course, the living conditions of the average poor American should not be taken as representing all of the nation’s poor: There is a wide range of living conditions among the poor. A third of “poor” households have both cell and land-line telephones. A third also telephone answering machines. At the other extreme, approximately one-tenth of families in poverty have no phone at all. Similarly, while the majority of poor households do not experience significant material problems, roughly a third do experience at least one problem such as overcrowding, temporary hunger, or difficulty getting medical care.

Much official poverty that does exist in the United States can be reduced, particularly among children. There are two main reasons that American children are poor: Their parents don’t work much, and their fathers are absent from the home.

In both good and bad economic environments, the typical American poor family with children is supported by only 800 hours of work during a year — the equivalent of 16 hours of work per week. If work in each family were raised to 2,000 hours per year — the equivalent of one adult working 40 hours per week throughout the year — nearly 75 percent of poor children would be lifted out of official poverty.

As noted above, father absence is another major cause of child poverty. Nearly two thirds of poor children reside in single-parent homes; each year, an additional 1.5 million children are born out of wedlock. If poor mothers married the fathers of their children, nearly three quarters of the nation’s impoverished youth would immediately be lifted out of poverty.

Yet, although work and marriage are reliable ladders out of poverty, the welfare system perversely remains hostile to both. Major programs such as food stamps, public housing, and Medicaid continue to reward idleness and penalize marriage. If welfare could be turned around to encourage work and marriage, the nation’s remaining poverty could be reduced.

Another important factor boosting poverty in the U.S. is our broken immigration system which imports hundreds of thousands of additional poor people each year from abroad through both legal and illegal immigration channels. One quarter of all poor persons in the U.S. are now first generation immigrants or the minor children of those immigrants. Roughly one in ten of the persons counted among the poor by Census is either an illegal immigrant or the minor child of an illegal. Immigrants tend to be poor because they have very low education levels. A quarter of legal immigrants and fifty to sixty percent of illegals are high-school dropouts. By contrast, only nine percent of non-immigrant Americans lack a high school degree.

As long as the present steady flow of poverty-prone persons from foreign countries continues, efforts to reduce the total number of poor in the U.S. will be far more difficult. A sound anti-poverty strategy must not only seek to increase work and marriage among native born Americans, it must also end illegal immigration, and dramatically increase the skill level of future legal immigrants.

 

[auditor0007]

That's right. Private educations when not hampered or in competition with the "free" public institutions is a far superior system. It promotes the best educations at the best pricing because competition runs the day.

So, yes. No public schools.

That would work real well when twenty or thirty percent of our kids didn't go to school at all because their parents couldn't afford it. Some of you are just plain retarded, and that's actually an insult to retards. And the reason private schools generally perform better is that they can turn away kids who underperform, have behavioral problems, or learning disabilities. Public schools have to educate these kids, and it costs more to educate them. Of course, when those same kids bring down test scores for public schools, you fools then tell us how private schools do such a better job at a lower cost. You're all brain dead.

If you had even half a workign brain cell, you would know that competition entails innovation. So all those special needs kids you're talking about would have otheer private schools to teach them. And since that it takes more, that cost would be on the consumer. And since the competition brings the prices down and offers the best, there is no logic ihn saying all of those kids would not get any type of education because every single private school would turn them away. What, no private school wants to turn a coin educating special needs students?

What a dumb fuck you are.

You really must be one in the top ten of brain dead numbskulls. Please show me more than a couple private schools, if you can even show me that, that recruit troubled students en mass. It doesn't happen you fucking moron, because those private schools can't afford to teach kids with problems, and in most cases the parents of those kids can't afford to pay for a private education. Good God, you are fucking dumb.

 

[auditor0007]

That would work real well when twenty or thirty percent of our kids didn't go to school at all because their parents couldn't afford it.

dear, today a liberal government school produces about $500,000 per classroom. My guess is that competitive private education would be about 20% of the cost, so everyone could afford it. Maybe it would be even less with internet classrooms coming on so strongly.

Also, if we had more capitalism we'd have far more wealth so again the tuition would be easier to come by!!

After that if you had to subsidize a few deserving people, so what, the cost would be so little it would not matter.

Our local public school district spends approximately $11,500 per student with full bus service for all students. The local Catholic schools charge a tuition of approximately $8500 with no bus service. They also have many additional fees that you won't find in the public schools. The cost to play sports are higher at the Catholic schools than they are at the public. Last of all, if your child does not keep a certain grade point average, they are not accepted for renewal for the following year. If you have a child who goes to public school and is underperforming, the Catholic schools won't accept your child either.

In the end, the cost for the public schools are slightly higher. After taking into account transportation costs, the Catholic Schools spend between ten and fifteen percent less, but then again, they don't have to offer special programs for problem kids. BTW, the two high schools in our district both rank in the top 15% of all high schools in Ohio academically.

Your assertion that private schools can educate kids at 20% of the cost of public schools just shows how ill informed you are.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Your assertion that private schools can educate kids at 20% of the cost of public schools just shows how ill informed you are.

as I said an average public classroom generates $450,000. The teacher gets 50k and the rest gets wasted!! I'd say education ought cost 80% less and the free market would prove it.

Do you have any idea what a car would cost and how it would function if it was made by a government monopoly??

In Hungary the cars had dipsticks to check the gas and you had to back them uphill because they had gravity fed carburetors. Making sense now my child???

 

[Toronado3800]

Your assertion that private schools can educate kids at 20% of the cost of public schools just shows how ill informed you are.

as I said an average public classroom generates $450,000. The teacher gets 50k and the rest gets wasted!! I'd say education ought cost 80% less and the free market would prove it.

Do you have any idea what a car would cost and how it would function if it was made by a government monopoly??

In Hungary the cars had dipsticks to check the gas and you had to back them uphill because they had gravity fed carburetors. Making sense now my child???

Ey Ed, got a link to your math on the public school costs? I'd be curious to read it.

Oh, and what is with the rudeness big guy?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Your assertion that private schools can educate kids at 20% of the cost of public schools just shows how ill informed you are.

as I said an average public classroom generates $450,000. The teacher gets 50k and the rest gets wasted!! I'd say education ought cost 80% less and the free market would prove it.

Do you have any idea what a car would cost and how it would function if it was made by a government monopoly??

In Hungary the cars had dipsticks to check the gas and you had to back them uphill because they had gravity fed carburetors. Making sense now my child???

Ey Ed, got a link to your math on the public school costs? I'd be curious to read it.

figure it out yourself we spend 15K per student, the teacher gets 50K, so where does the extra 400k go????????????????????????
The liberals waste it of course. Why do you think communism made people so poor in Chinal why do you thik capitalism makes them so rich??

 

[Polk]

Nothing is free. Not even education.

Are you saying in a libertarian state there'd be no more public schools? I know how you hate giving out "free" stuff and all. Why should the rest of us have to educate someone else's children, right? Seems like that's theft of my hard earned money.

That's right. Private educations when not hampered or in competition with the "free" public institutions is a far superior system. It promotes the best educations at the best pricing because competition runs the day.

So, yes. No public schools.

Really? Because before the widespread existence of public school, most people just lacked formal education.

 

[Polk]

as I said an average public classroom generates $450,000. The teacher gets 50k and the rest gets wasted!! I'd say education ought cost 80% less and the free market would prove it.

Do you have any idea what a car would cost and how it would function if it was made by a government monopoly??

In Hungary the cars had dipsticks to check the gas and you had to back them uphill because they had gravity fed carburetors. Making sense now my child???

Ey Ed, got a link to your math on the public school costs? I'd be curious to read it.

figure it out yourself we spend 15K per student, the teacher gets 50K, so where does the extra 400k go????????????????????????
The liberals waste it of course. Why do you think communism made people so poor in Chinal why do you thik capitalism makes them so rich??

Those "we spend 15k per student" figures are highly misleading. They include students with disabilities, which cost massively more to educate.

 

[Polk]

Your assertion that private schools can educate kids at 20% of the cost of public schools just shows how ill informed you are.

as I said an average public classroom generates $450,000. The teacher gets 50k and the rest gets wasted!! I'd say education ought cost 80% less and the free market would prove it.

Do you have any idea what a car would cost and how it would function if it was made by a government monopoly??

In Hungary the cars had dipsticks to check the gas and you had to back them uphill because they had gravity fed carburetors. Making sense now my child???

Private schools (outside of a few specialized institutions) aren't teaching kids with disabilities. Really helps to lower the cost.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Your assertion that private schools can educate kids at 20% of the cost of public schools just shows how ill informed you are.

as I said an average public classroom generates $450,000. The teacher gets 50k and the rest gets wasted!! I'd say education ought cost 80% less and the free market would prove it.

Do you have any idea what a car would cost and how it would function if it was made by a government monopoly??

In Hungary the cars had dipsticks to check the gas and you had to back them uphill because they had gravity fed carburetors. Making sense now my child???

Private schools (outside of a few specialized institutions) aren't teaching kids with disabilities. Really helps to lower the cost.

too stupid!! as if Ph.D researchers don't know to compare apples to apples rather than apples to oranges!!

 

[Toronado3800]

as I said an average public classroom generates $450,000. The teacher gets 50k and the rest gets wasted!! I'd say education ought cost 80% less and the free market would prove it.

Do you have any idea what a car would cost and how it would function if it was made by a government monopoly??

In Hungary the cars had dipsticks to check the gas and you had to back them uphill because they had gravity fed carburetors. Making sense now my child???

Private schools (outside of a few specialized institutions) aren't teaching kids with disabilities. Really helps to lower the cost.

too stupid!! as if Ph.D researchers don't know to compare apples to apples rather than apples to oranges!!

No really, the private schools I attended had fewer special kids than the public schools.

And does the private school number take into account the Priest defense funds?

 

[Toronado3800]

Or more honestly the costs of housing nuns. They made up a bit of the staff.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Private schools (outside of a few specialized institutions) aren't teaching kids with disabilities. Really helps to lower the cost.

too stupid!! as if Ph.D researchers don't know to compare apples to apples rather than apples to oranges!!

No really, the private schools I attended had fewer special kids than the public schools.

too stupid!! as if Ph.D researchers don't know to compare apples to apples rather than apples to oranges!!

 

[FJO]

The libturds act as if they have no wealth, as if the defense budget only protects the rich!! Let them live in the Congo and see their families slaughtered by invaders and then say they have no wealth here, let them live without state of the art medical care and say they have no wealth. Let them live without free education and Social Security and say they have no wealth.

See why we are 100% positive a liberal will be slow, so very very slow?

The bottom 40% have 0.2% of the wealth.

Oh, cry me a river!

As a seventeen year old immigrant who spoke no English I had ZERO wealth. I worked in the mines, in the bush and on the railroad as a laborer. In time I learned enough English to go back to school as an adult student and earned my diploma.

Later I got a job in a factory, where I had to join the union, that made it clear that it can offer no protection in the first four months of my employment, in spite of them confiscating dues from my pay.

After the four months I applied for and got transfer to an other job at the same company (no union, thank God!) and in time I became a successful computer programmer.

After almost thirty-eight years at the same company I retired with a generous pension and the full knowledge that everything I have I earned.

Maybe your bottom 40% should do something to help themselves.

 

[Toronado3800]

The libturds act as if they have no wealth, as if the defense budget only protects the rich!! Let them live in the Congo and see their families slaughtered by invaders and then say they have no wealth here, let them live without state of the art medical care and say they have no wealth. Let them live without free education and Social Security and say they have no wealth.

See why we are 100% positive a liberal will be slow, so very very slow?

The bottom 40% have 0.2% of the wealth.

Oh, cry me a river!

As a seventeen year old immigrant who spoke no English I had ZERO wealth. I worked in the mines, in the bush and on the railroad as a laborer. In time I learned enough English to go back to school as an adult student and earned my diploma.

Later I got a job in a factory, where I had to join the union, that made it clear that it can offer no protection in the first four months of my employment, in spite of them confiscating dues from my pay.

After the four months I applied for and got transfer to an other job at the same company (no union, thank God!) and in time I became a successful computer programmer.

After almost thirty-eight years at the same company I retired with a generous pension and the full knowledge that everything I have I earned.

Maybe your bottom 40% should do something to help themselves.

No debate here. Some days I feel 49% of the population is below average. Dangerously close to leading us along the lines to Eugenics but hey. That's capitalism and I'm not attached to the idea of paying for your kid's medical care after an accident or extended sickness any more than you are attached to paying for mine!

I'm happy to have you in the country working BTW!

Where are you from? My ancestors hail from various parts of Europe 100+ years ago.

 

[Toronado3800]

too stupid!! as if Ph.D researchers don't know to compare apples to apples rather than apples to oranges!!

No really, the private schools I attended had fewer special kids than the public schools.

too stupid!! as if Ph.D researchers don't know to compare apples to apples rather than apples to oranges!!

Edward, don't feel you are too below average to question research buddy. I've had plenty of Doctorate holders quote me misleading statistics in my life to sell me on tuition fees. I also know the reasons to consider sending my kid to the private school down the road vs the public school. Not a new train of thought here. Question everyone.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I'm not attached to the idea of paying for your kid's medical care after an accident or extended sickness any more than you are attached to paying for mine!

there is nothing wrong with insurance to help out in emergencies

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

No really, the private schools I attended had fewer special kids than the public schools.

too stupid!! as if Ph.D researchers don't know to compare apples to apples rather than apples to oranges!!

Edward, don't feel you are too below average to question research buddy. I've had plenty of Doctorate holders quote me misleading statistics in my life to sell me on tuition fees. I also know the reasons to consider sending my kid to the private school down the road vs the public school. Not a new train of thought here. Question everyone.

too stupid!! as if Ph.D researchers don't know to compare apples to apples rather than apples to oranges!!