Do Dems want to tax the rich into oblivion?

[The Gadfly]

Well... Obviously I think you're wrong. But hey... at least I know the true mindset of the Conservative members on the board... and it's much as I feared... brainwashed.

No, just committed to an ideology that is the polar opposite of everything so-called "progressivism" (a/k/a socialism) stands for. We have no common ground, we have no common cause, and we have nothing to negotiate or discuss. Eventually, you will destroy us, or we will destroy you. I intend the final result to be the latter. I will NEVER support any liberal, or any liberal policy; I will fight any liberal interest, and the interests of their chosen parasite constituencies, until I die. You represent everything I despise, and everything I believe is harmful to this nation. You are my enemy, and I will not forget that. I will vote for a one-eyed, mangy, flea-infested, three-legged yellow cur of a dog, before I will EVER vote for a democrat! That party, and it poisonous ideology, are anathema to me.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Do Dems want to Tax the rich into Oblivion?

No.

Many ‘dems’ are rich.

 

[konradv]

Well... Obviously I think you're wrong. But hey... at least I know the true mindset of the Conservative members on the board... and it's much as I feared... brainwashed.

No, just committed to an ideology that is the polar opposite of everything so-called "progressivism" (a/k/a socialism) stands for. We have no common ground, we have no common cause, and we have nothing to negotiate or discuss. Eventually, you will destroy us, or we will destroy you. I intend the final result to be the latter. I will NEVER support any liberal, or any liberal policy; I will fight any liberal interest, and the interests of their chosen parasite constituencies, until I die. You represent everything I despise, and everything I believe is harmful to this nation. You are my enemy, and I will not forget that. I will vote for a one-eyed, mangy, flea-infested, three-legged yellow cur of a dog, before I will EVER vote for a democrat! That party, and it poisonous ideology, are anathema to me.

Yep, proof positive that conservatism isn't a political position, it's a mental illness. Need to watch those who rely too heavily on ideology. We have the example of the 20th century to show us why "isms" aren't to be trusted. Smack 'em down like the Nazis should have been, every time they stick their noses out.

 

[Care4all]

Just curious on how people think...

What is oblivion? the 90% tax rate they had 50 years ago? the 70% tax rate they had 40 years ago?

you've gotta clarify oblivion....?

 

[NoNukes]

Just curious on how people think...

The liberals will always push for more taxes on the rich. No rate is too high -- taxing the rich pays for handouts, their primary means of expanding their voter base.

Boosting the middle class is hardly paying for handouts.

 

[NoNukes]

But what good would it do? As far as I'm concerned, The middle and working class need a boost. They need disposable income to keep the economy rolling...that in turn, makes the wealthy more in the way of profits.

As far as taxation is concerned... with the middle and working class struggling so much... it's unfair to put the burden of the debt and deficit on their shoulders. Yes.. I know... families of the income range of $30k and under likely do not pay Federal income tax at all... but these are the people who are most affected by the high cost of living. Plus... they do pay every other tax that everyone else does.

The far left holds a sincere disdain and envy towards successful people. They embrace a Marxist philosophy that it isn't fair someone else have more than they do and we've seen what that philosophy does. It destroyed the Soviet Union and the once bustling island of Cuba and it dragged out an economic depression to close to a decade here in the U.S.

If you want to live in a nation that values freedom, then you have to accept that with that freedom also comes the freedom to fail. Very, very few people end up in their current circumstances through no fault of their own. Almost every one of us ended up where we are due to the good and bad choices we've made along the road. I have friends who are very successful and I have friends who are just barely scraping by and every single one of them I can go back and tell you what they did in the past that got them where they are today.

If I decide to start my own business and bust my ass over the next several years and eventually reach a point where I am bringing in $5 million a year I deserve every damn penny of that. I don't care if the woman across town with three kids from three different dads can't live without her welfare check. That's her problem that she created for herself and she needs to deal with it. I also understand that the woman next door may have a serious illness and her insurance or Medicare won't cover enough of the costs for her to get the treatment. Yes, that's not her fault, but it also isn't mine.

What people who advocate wealth redistribution want is for those of us who have been responsible to pick up the tab for those who haven't or can't. That may sound compassionate to you, but it's down right theft and there is nothing moral about it. Robin Hood was still a criminal. People who advocate wealth redistribution are essentially telling the recipient class they needn't be responsible for any of their actions or the circumstances they find themselves in because the government will just take the wealth from others and give it to them for their fuck up and this philosophy has created a vicious cycle that repeats generation after generation.

Many wealthy people tend to be incredibly charitable anyway. In fact, Americans as a whole are the most charitable people in the world. I've seen plenty of examples of neighborhoods banning together to help someone in need. They didn't need the government to do it for them. There are also very wealthy people who don't give away anything and you know what? That's their God given right to be stingy whether or not you or I agree with it because that's what it means to live in freedom.

This nation needs to get back to a philosophy of earning your own lot in life because the entitlement mentality is destroying us just like it has Europe.

The economy worldwide is screwed because of banker and developers, the big money people.

 

[sfcalifornia]

But what good would it do? As far as I'm concerned, The middle and working class need a boost. They need disposable income to keep the economy rolling...that in turn, makes the wealthy more in the way of profits.

As far as taxation is concerned... with the middle and working class struggling so much... it's unfair to put the burden of the debt and deficit on their shoulders. Yes.. I know... families of the income range of $30k and under likely do not pay Federal income tax at all... but these are the people who are most affected by the high cost of living. Plus... they do pay every other tax that everyone else does.

The far left holds a sincere disdain and envy towards successful people.

That is completely false. Who wouldn't want to be fabulously wealthy? The disdain you see coming from the left is because of the way some of those fabulously wealthy went about getting their money. Conservatives just turn a blind eye and then boo-hoo when the left tries to do something about it.

 

[editec]

Just curious on how people think...

I think the premise of this thread is flawed at inception.

 

[DiamondDave]

well it's painfully obvious that the wealthy aren't doing it voluntarily through healthy wages and benefits... No... they'd rather extract the wealth from the working and middle class by lowballing their wages, outsourcing the work that Americans used to do....and never reduce prices to reflect their savings in costs.... Fuck America... I'm rich...that's the sentiment of the wealthy. Let them eat cake.

Hmmm... but if government forces ideals YOU don't like, you scream about it

It is not up to the government to force charity

So... in your eyes... it's OK that a Majority of our citizens can barely survive? BTW... it's not charity when People are Contributing to society.

Welfare?... you may or may not have a point...You have to remember... The Developmentally Disabled use welfare and cannot work....The mentally Ill....the Horribly physically handicapped.... To me, they need those services, as do normal people on a temporary basis. That's different... I believe in welfare reform in regards to normal people who have fallen on rough times and it most certainly shouldn't be a permanent way of life.

It most certainly IS charity...

Those who cannot take care of themselves because they are mentally deficient etc, and have no family, become what?? WARDS OF THE STATE.... without the freedoms etc that normal citizens have... a ward of the state is different than someone who won't or can't take care of themselves because of a lack of effort, bad decisions, etc... those are results of the personal freedoms we have... the freedom to fail that goes hand in hand with the freedom to succeed...

Now... I am not saying that those down on their 'luck' should be ignored.... I FULLY support people giving as much as they want to charities, support organizations, etc... but that is a voluntary action on the individual... not a job of government to FORCE such actions


I believe in welfare reform too... reforming it to the extent to make it non-existent

 

[DiamondDave]

Just curious on how people think...

What is oblivion? the 90% tax rate they had 50 years ago? the 70% tax rate they had 40 years ago?

you've gotta clarify oblivion....?

Yet you fail to mention that many things were not considered income, many more deductions were available for use, etc.... so the effective tax rate was not 90% or 70%... very typical ploy by someone trying to pull the wool over someone else's eyes

 

[DiamondDave]

But what good would it do? As far as I'm concerned, The middle and working class need a boost. They need disposable income to keep the economy rolling...that in turn, makes the wealthy more in the way of profits.

As far as taxation is concerned... with the middle and working class struggling so much... it's unfair to put the burden of the debt and deficit on their shoulders. Yes.. I know... families of the income range of $30k and under likely do not pay Federal income tax at all... but these are the people who are most affected by the high cost of living. Plus... they do pay every other tax that everyone else does.

The far left holds a sincere disdain and envy towards successful people.

That is completely false. Who wouldn't want to be fabulously wealthy? The disdain you see coming from the left is because of the way some of those fabulously wealthy went about getting their money. Conservatives just turn a blind eye and then boo-hoo when the left tries to do something about it.

As long as it is not from drug smuggling or some other crime, it is of no concern to you or anyone else 'how' they got their money

And it certainly is not up to you or the government to decide that some of theirs should be redistributed either directly or indirectly

 

[Steelplate]

Just curious on how people think...

What is oblivion? the 90% tax rate they had 50 years ago? the 70% tax rate they had 40 years ago?

you've gotta clarify oblivion....?

Well... I keep hearing from Conservatives that the Liberals want to tax the wealthy until everyone is making the same amount of money...... That seems to be their synopsis on "wealth redistribution". I was just wondering how many people actually believe that.... which would be, in effect...taxing the rich into oblivion.

 

[WillowTree]

But what good would it do? As far as I'm concerned, The middle and working class need a boost. They need disposable income to keep the economy rolling...that in turn, makes the wealthy more in the way of profits.

As far as taxation is concerned... with the middle and working class struggling so much... it's unfair to put the burden of the debt and deficit on their shoulders. Yes.. I know... families of the income range of $30k and under likely do not pay Federal income tax at all... but these are the people who are most affected by the high cost of living. Plus... they do pay every other tax that everyone else does.

The far left holds a sincere disdain and envy towards successful people.

That is completely false. Who wouldn't want to be fabulously wealthy? The disdain you see coming from the left is because of the way some of those fabulously wealthy went about getting their money. Conservatives just turn a blind eye and then boo-hoo when the left tries to do something about it.

will you write as and ask him to pay he taxes? thanks in advance.

 

[Steelplate]

Hmmm... but if government forces ideals YOU don't like, you scream about it

It is not up to the government to force charity

So... in your eyes... it's OK that a Majority of our citizens can barely survive? BTW... it's not charity when People are Contributing to society.

Welfare?... you may or may not have a point...You have to remember... The Developmentally Disabled use welfare and cannot work....The mentally Ill....the Horribly physically handicapped.... To me, they need those services, as do normal people on a temporary basis. That's different... I believe in welfare reform in regards to normal people who have fallen on rough times and it most certainly shouldn't be a permanent way of life.

It most certainly IS charity...

Those who cannot take care of themselves because they are mentally deficient etc, and have no family, become what?? WARDS OF THE STATE.... without the freedoms etc that normal citizens have... a ward of the state is different than someone who won't or can't take care of themselves because of a lack of effort, bad decisions, etc... those are results of the personal freedoms we have... the freedom to fail that goes hand in hand with the freedom to succeed...

Now... I am not saying that those down on their 'luck' should be ignored.... I FULLY support people giving as much as they want to charities, support organizations, etc... but that is a voluntary action on the individual... not a job of government to FORCE such actions


I believe in welfare reform too... reforming it to the extent to make it non-existent

We are a country of citizens...Just because you do not believe in Community doesn't mean that's the way our country should go. That's why we have a vote. So.. if you want to make your own country with your own rules... find one where they will welcome you with open arms to be their benevolent dictator.

 

[WillowTree]

So... in your eyes... it's OK that a Majority of our citizens can barely survive? BTW... it's not charity when People are Contributing to society.

Welfare?... you may or may not have a point...You have to remember... The Developmentally Disabled use welfare and cannot work....The mentally Ill....the Horribly physically handicapped.... To me, they need those services, as do normal people on a temporary basis. That's different... I believe in welfare reform in regards to normal people who have fallen on rough times and it most certainly shouldn't be a permanent way of life.

It most certainly IS charity...

Those who cannot take care of themselves because they are mentally deficient etc, and have no family, become what?? WARDS OF THE STATE.... without the freedoms etc that normal citizens have... a ward of the state is different than someone who won't or can't take care of themselves because of a lack of effort, bad decisions, etc... those are results of the personal freedoms we have... the freedom to fail that goes hand in hand with the freedom to succeed...

Now... I am not saying that those down on their 'luck' should be ignored.... I FULLY support people giving as much as they want to charities, support organizations, etc... but that is a voluntary action on the individual... not a job of government to FORCE such actions


I believe in welfare reform too... reforming it to the extent to make it non-existent

We are a country of citizens...Just because you do not believe in Community doesn't mean that's the way our country should go. That's why we have a vote. So.. if you want to make your own country with your own rules... find one where they will welcome you with open arms to be their benevolent dictator.

we already have a Dick Tater.

 

[Steelplate]

The far left holds a sincere disdain and envy towards successful people.

That is completely false. Who wouldn't want to be fabulously wealthy? The disdain you see coming from the left is because of the way some of those fabulously wealthy went about getting their money. Conservatives just turn a blind eye and then boo-hoo when the left tries to do something about it.

As long as it is not from drug smuggling or some other crime, it is of no concern to you or anyone else 'how' they got their money

And it certainly is not up to you or the government to decide that some of theirs should be redistributed either directly or indirectly

Yep... fuck the consumer, fuck the worker, fuck everyone except for them... after all.. THEY DESERVE it... no one else does.. just them. So it's none of our business if they lobbied and got corporate welfare... it's none of our business if they got it by ripping consumers off and lowballing their employees... it's their money.

 

[Steelplate]

It most certainly IS charity...

Those who cannot take care of themselves because they are mentally deficient etc, and have no family, become what?? WARDS OF THE STATE.... without the freedoms etc that normal citizens have... a ward of the state is different than someone who won't or can't take care of themselves because of a lack of effort, bad decisions, etc... those are results of the personal freedoms we have... the freedom to fail that goes hand in hand with the freedom to succeed...

Now... I am not saying that those down on their 'luck' should be ignored.... I FULLY support people giving as much as they want to charities, support organizations, etc... but that is a voluntary action on the individual... not a job of government to FORCE such actions


I believe in welfare reform too... reforming it to the extent to make it non-existent

We are a country of citizens...Just because you do not believe in Community doesn't mean that's the way our country should go. That's why we have a vote. So.. if you want to make your own country with your own rules... find one where they will welcome you with open arms to be their benevolent dictator.

we already have a Dick Tater.

well it's obvious that USMB has a village idiot... and that would be EWE... L E E C H.

 

[WillowTree]

drama..

 

[Katzndogz]

Well... Obviously I think you're wrong. But hey... at least I know the true mindset of the Conservative members on the board... and it's much as I feared... brainwashed.

No, just committed to an ideology that is the polar opposite of everything so-called "progressivism" (a/k/a socialism) stands for. We have no common ground, we have no common cause, and we have nothing to negotiate or discuss. Eventually, you will destroy us, or we will destroy you. I intend the final result to be the latter. I will NEVER support any liberal, or any liberal policy; I will fight any liberal interest, and the interests of their chosen parasite constituencies, until I die. You represent everything I despise, and everything I believe is harmful to this nation. You are my enemy, and I will not forget that. I will vote for a one-eyed, mangy, flea-infested, three-legged yellow cur of a dog, before I will EVER vote for a democrat! That party, and it poisonous ideology, are anathema to me.

Here Here!

Accepting of course that the liberals feel exactly the same way. Their intention is to destroy everything that is not their version of progressivism. The conflict that will eventually have to be resolved as Cornell West says, in the streets, citizen against citizen.

 

[Steelplate]

drama..

hey.. I'm only employing your tactics... so... the drama's yours.