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Yes, disenfranchising the homeless seems an excellent plan.
Note I never said "REPUBLICAN". I said CONSERVATIVE. There's a difference between political party and political ideology. Conservatives are the stumbling blocks to freedoms. Always have been and, I presume always will be.The Right provides the obstacle to every social movement ever. Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker's rights, environmental safety, and, yes, speech rights have all been trampled by Conservatives.Complete and utter bullshit.
Liberalism has reduced an array of rights.
the right to bear arms is now the right to own certain hands guns and certain ammo
the right to free speech, is AOK unless you get angry and hateful, then you can end up in jail.
and now you learned that you can mandate that anything be bought.
Sorry, but history is a cruel master!
womens right to votge; passed by gop run Congress
MLK was a republican
The epa, as predicted, is out of control
liberals have banned smoking in public, mandated salt intake, etc
but we are off topic
the end result is that this is not a tax, it's a safety valve to prevent any voter fraud.
Truly.
Identification Card (initial) $13.50
You're disgusted over $13.50
and that people should prove they have the legal right to vote in my state.
The issue is not that PennDOT is not charging for an ID, but rather, that the supporting documentation is not free. The instant any required thing becomes non-free as a prerequisite to voting, it becomes a poll tax, and poll taxes are unconstitutional.
So in order to get that ID (see prior paragraph), you would have to supply:
Social Security Card
AND
One of the following:
Certificate of U.S. Citizenship
Certificate of Naturalization
Valid U.S. Passport
*Birth Certificate with a raised seal
PLUS
Two proofs of **residency such as lease agreements, current utility bills, mortgage documents, W-2 form, tax records
It cost $10 to get a new copy of my social security card, and it costs at least that much to get a copy of my birth certificate.
And yes. I am not one of them, but many MANY people don't have $13.50 - and IMO, they shouldn't have to.
Besides. What is really shocking about the OP is that the man said this to begin with.
"Voter ID - which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania - done," Turzai
Note i never said "REPUBLICAN". I said CONSERVATIVE. There's a difference between political party and political ideology. Conservatives are the stumbling blocks to freedoms. Always have been and, I presume always will be.The Right provides the obstacle to every social movement ever. Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker's rights, environmental safety, and, yes, speech rights have all been trampled by Conservatives.
Sorry, but history is a cruel master!
womens right to votge; passed by gop run Congress
MLK was a republican
The epa, as predicted, is out of control
liberals have banned smoking in public, mandated salt intake, etc
but we are off topic
the end result is that this is not a tax, it's a safety valve to prevent any voter fraud.
And there simply isn't the voter fraud Conservatives argue as a threat. The voter I.D. argument is about limiting citizen's right to vote.
Identification Card (initial) $13.50
You're disgusted over $13.50
and that people should prove they have the legal right to vote in my state.
The issue is not that PennDOT is not charging for an ID, but rather, that the supporting documentation is not free. The instant any required thing becomes non-free as a prerequisite to voting, it becomes a poll tax, and poll taxes are unconstitutional.
So in order to get that ID (see prior paragraph), you would have to supply:
Social Security Card
AND
One of the following:
Certificate of U.S. Citizenship
Certificate of Naturalization
Valid U.S. Passport
*Birth Certificate with a raised seal
PLUS
Two proofs of **residency such as lease agreements, current utility bills, mortgage documents, W-2 form, tax records
It cost $10 to get a new copy of my social security card, and it costs at least that much to get a copy of my birth certificate.
And yes. I am not one of them, but many MANY people don't have $13.50 - and IMO, they shouldn't have to.
Besides. What is really shocking about the OP is that the man said this to begin with.
"Voter ID - which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania - done," Turzai
ok, nice post. concise and raises some points.
let me ask you then;
One of the following:
Certificate of U.S. Citizenship
Certificate of Naturalization
Valid U.S. Passport
*Birth Certificate with a raised seal
PLUS
Two proofs of **residency such as lease agreements, current utility bills, mortgage documents, W-2 form, tax records
who , does not have at least on of these aside from the SSI card?
and, don't you think its a tad patronizing to assume these folks don't have any of the above? Or maybe......
Not everyone does things in their own best interests, hell, theres over what, a million people that could get their kids on Schip, but don't because, they are just to indolent or non caring to do so *shrugs*some folks just don't give a crap about voting, we got what, 64% of the populace voting last time?....see?
The whole voter I.D. argument from the Right is a solution looking for a problem. There just isn't the rampant voter fraud happening.
And when the Republicans applaud this purely political move that erodes rights, they are just keeping the consistency they pride themselves on.
No other ideology consistently erodes rights the way the modern Conservative ideology does.
Truly.
Identification Card (initial) $13.50
You're disgusted over $13.50
and that people should prove they have the legal right to vote in my state.
The issue is not that PennDOT is not charging for an ID, but rather, that the supporting documentation is not free. The instant any required thing becomes non-free as a prerequisite to voting, it becomes a poll tax, and poll taxes are unconstitutional.
So in order to get that ID (see prior paragraph), you would have to supply:
Social Security Card
AND
One of the following:
Certificate of U.S. Citizenship
Certificate of Naturalization
Valid U.S. Passport
*Birth Certificate with a raised seal
PLUS
Two proofs of **residency such as lease agreements, current utility bills, mortgage documents, W-2 form, tax records
It cost $10 to get a new copy of my social security card, and it costs at least that much to get a copy of my birth certificate.
And yes. I am not one of them, but many MANY people don't have $13.50 - and IMO, they shouldn't have to.
Besides. What is really shocking about the OP is that the man said this to begin with.
"Voter ID - which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania - done," Turzai
The issue is not that PennDOT is not charging for an ID, but rather, that the supporting documentation is not free. The instant any required thing becomes non-free as a prerequisite to voting, it becomes a poll tax, and poll taxes are unconstitutional.
So in order to get that ID (see prior paragraph), you would have to supply:
Social Security Card
AND
One of the following:
Certificate of U.S. Citizenship
Certificate of Naturalization
Valid U.S. Passport
*Birth Certificate with a raised seal
PLUS
Two proofs of **residency such as lease agreements, current utility bills, mortgage documents, W-2 form, tax records
It cost $10 to get a new copy of my social security card, and it costs at least that much to get a copy of my birth certificate.
And yes. I am not one of them, but many MANY people don't have $13.50 - and IMO, they shouldn't have to.
Besides. What is really shocking about the OP is that the man said this to begin with.
ok, nice post. concise and raises some points.
let me ask you then;
One of the following:
Certificate of U.S. Citizenship
Certificate of Naturalization
Valid U.S. Passport
*Birth Certificate with a raised seal
PLUS
Two proofs of **residency such as lease agreements, current utility bills, mortgage documents, W-2 form, tax records
who , does not have at least on of these aside from the SSI card?
and, don't you think its a tad patronizing to assume these folks don't have any of the above? Or maybe......
Not everyone does things in their own best interests, hell, theres over what, a million people that could get their kids on Schip, but don't because, they are just to indolent or non caring to do so *shrugs*some folks just don't give a crap about voting, we got what, 64% of the populace voting last time?....see?
I was on that list for a time. My marriage ended abruptly, I was living with my sister. When I got a job a few weeks later, my driver's license was not enough (and she loaned me the money for that) - I had to pay $10 for my social security card. At some point, I'll need more money for my birth certificate (since I didn't think to grab it on my way out the door).
I have a question. How many decades has this country NOT felt the need to make laws like this?
What's changed.
......we are choking on data and the system has become a great deal more sophisticated and I dare say the jukers have become smarter......
You can't hide behind the skirts of the Religious Right if you are trying to defend the Conservative track record on the erosion of rights. The religious had little or nothing to do with snuffing out the ERA or unions or flag burning or child labor laws or environmental safe guards. Some of those things take money to fix. The religious don't look at the fiscal bottom line as much as the ecclesiastical bottom line.Note i never said "REPUBLICAN". I said CONSERVATIVE. There's a difference between political party and political ideology. Conservatives are the stumbling blocks to freedoms. Always have been and, I presume always will be.womens right to votge; passed by gop run Congress
MLK was a republican
The epa, as predicted, is out of control
liberals have banned smoking in public, mandated salt intake, etc
but we are off topic
the end result is that this is not a tax, it's a safety valve to prevent any voter fraud.
And there simply isn't the voter fraud Conservatives argue as a threat. The voter I.D. argument is about limiting citizen's right to vote.
Unless you mean religious conservatives, you couldn't be more wrong.
reps and everything to the left of them have no issue ignoring the Constitution.
The whole voter I.D. argument from the Right is a solution looking for a problem. There just isn't the rampant voter fraud happening. .
I also can't help wondering if they think it is that easy? Because I wouldn't just say "Oh, I can't vote? O, herp-a-derp." I would go do whatever I had to to retain my legal rights.
so, why not vote twice? say live or go to school in one state, vote there, and send in a absentee in an other? is that a problem? or just a herp a derp?
At some point, I'll need more money for my birth certificate (since I didn't think to grab it on my way out the door). .
Anecdotal at best. Show me the reports of voter fraud from the Departments of state of the various states. If there are cases of voter fraud that could be prevented by requiring a photo I.D. then we'll have something to talk about.The whole voter I.D. argument from the Right is a solution looking for a problem. There just isn't the rampant voter fraud happening.
And when the Republicans applaud this purely political move that erodes rights, they are just keeping the consistency they pride themselves on.
No other ideology consistently erodes rights the way the modern Conservative ideology does.
ok, so let me ask, whats your over and under for "rampant" fraud?
hell, its part of accepted history now that Daly had dead people voting, stuffed ballot boxs and cheated his ass for JFK , so you think things have gotten better?
ensuring everyone is a valid voter is a win win for everyone*shrugs*
That amounts to a poll tax! And poll taxes have been roundly refuted by the courts.Identification Card (initial) $13.50
You're disgusted over $13.50
and that people should prove they have the legal right to vote in my state.
It except it doesn't and courts have already validated Voter ID laws in other states.
Besides, it's not a tax, it's a "fee" for not complying with the law. Surely, you don't have a problem with that because you Obamabots were all about that last week.
Specious logic. Try again.The whole voter I.D. argument from the Right is a solution looking for a problem. There just isn't the rampant voter fraud happening. .
Not a lot of people steal plutonium, but you still want that to be illegal.
But I REALLY love the fact that they believe doing so will help Romney win. That's just the unmitigated cherry on top.
Way to have an agenda, people.
I would care less about who wins..... The point is if you want to vote you need to be a live body WITH photo ID.
