Did the Tea Party cause our problems or cause them to get worse?

[uscitizen]

The Tea Party nuts are all Obama's fault. Without Obama winning the TP would just be a tiny zit right now.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The Tea Party nuts are all Obama's fault. Without Obama winning the TP would just be a tiny zit right now.

They were formed because of his policies not him. But hey, if that helps you justify you irrational position be my guest.

 

[uscitizen]

The Tea Party nuts are all Obama's fault. Without Obama winning the TP would just be a tiny zit right now.

They were formed because of his policies not him. But hey, if that helps you justify you irrational position be my guest.

You mean the policies that Bush had and Obama carried forward?
They were formed becuase he was a demoncrat AND because he was black.
Call it playing the race card if you want I do not give a rats ass. I just try my best to see and speak the truth.

If people like you could just get their partisan little brains out of their asses and see reality we would be much better off.
Reality is both party's suck horribly and neither one is correct in their approach of solving our problems.
And neither side has the balls to really tackle what needs doing for the betterment of my country.

 

[theliq]

Why wasn't the T.P. formed under BUSH 2.....it was under his stewardship the real problems began.........or were they still lame ducks then...did their conservative leanings only flower when Obama came to power?????? it does stink of a little hypocricy as much of Bush's decisions were pretty rank......just saying.steve

The Tea Party nuts are all Obama's fault. Without Obama winning the TP would just be a tiny zit right now.

They were formed because of his policies not him. But hey, if that helps you justify you irrational position be my guest.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Obamacare was the trigger. Were it not for that all the town halls and protests wouldn't have happened. Have either of you ever been to a TP rally? I have and there are plenty of blacks attending. Are they racists to or just Uncle Toms? It's time to get past your own guilt I think.

 

[uscitizen]

Obamacare was the trigger. Were it not for that all the town halls and protests wouldn't have happened. Have either of you ever been to a TP rally? I have and there are plenty of blacks attending. Are they racists to or just Uncle Toms? It's time to get past your own guilt I think.

I personally now a few Tea Party activists.
6 of whom went to the DC Palin/Beck rally.
And they hate "*******" to use their favorite term.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Obamacare was the trigger. Were it not for that all the town halls and protests wouldn't have happened. Have either of you ever been to a TP rally? I have and there are plenty of blacks attending. Are they racists to or just Uncle Toms? It's time to get past your own guilt I think.

I personally now a few Tea Party activists.
6 of whom went to the DC Palin/Beck rally.
And they hate "*******" to use their favorite term.

So you know 6 racists out of how many millions? I know two that are liberals. My former father in law and a friend in Texas. I guess that makes all liberals racists huh?

Idiot

 

[uscitizen]

Obamacare was the trigger. Were it not for that all the town halls and protests wouldn't have happened. Have either of you ever been to a TP rally? I have and there are plenty of blacks attending. Are they racists to or just Uncle Toms? It's time to get past your own guilt I think.

I personally now a few Tea Party activists.
6 of whom went to the DC Palin/Beck rally.
And they hate "*******" to use their favorite term.

So you know 6 racists out of how many millions? I know two that are liberals. My former father in law and a friend in Texas. I guess that makes all liberals racists huh?

Idiot

Ohh there are plenty of left wing racists around here as well.
the point I was making is that the Tea Party activists I know personally are all racists. And they seem to fit in well with the rest of the Tea Partiers that they associate with.

I am not saying that all Tea Partiers are racists, but I do believe that is is a notable percentage.
And that having a black demoncratic president helped the tea Party to grow to where it is vs if McCain had been elected.
It is not as much politicial ideology esp since Obama is Bush III, but based on partisanship and racism.

 

[Charles_Main]

Did the Tea Party cause our problems or cause them to get worse?

yes

ROFLMAO yep a party that didn't even exist when the problems started, and literally only represents a small part of the GOP majority in 1 House, Not only made our problems worse they caused them eh?

Must be nice to be able to just live in a complete fantasy world where you can just make up facts and call them truth.

 

[Charles_Main]

I personally now a few Tea Party activists.
6 of whom went to the DC Palin/Beck rally.
And they hate "*******" to use their favorite term.

So you know 6 racists out of how many millions? I know two that are liberals. My former father in law and a friend in Texas. I guess that makes all liberals racists huh?

Idiot

Ohh there are plenty of left wing racists around here as well.
the point I was making is that the Tea Party activists I know personally are all racists. And they seem to fit in well with the rest of the Tea Partiers that they associate with.

I am not saying that all Tea Partiers are racists, but I do believe that is is a notable percentage.
And that having a black demoncratic president helped the tea Party to grow to where it is vs if McCain had been elected.
It is not as much politicial ideology esp since Obama is Bush III, but based on partisanship and racism.

Me Personally I think the Tea party came to be for many reasons, and McCain was actually one of them. He was the Liberal Media's Choice for the GOP and it made a lot of Conservatives angry watching that idiot run a horrible campaign and lose to Obama.

The Tea Party was Born, Not because a black man ran for office, but because the GOP was Behaving and spending like drunken Liberals, and trying to force a candidate like McCain down our Throats.

 

[Charles_Main]

I personally Thank God For the Tea Party every day. If not for the Tea Party we would not even be talking about Controlling spending. If not for the Tea Party Obama and the Dems would be trying to pass even more Stimulus and Spending Bills.

Call them what you want, Love them or hate them, But they have at least changed the focus in this country from how much can we spend, to How much can't we spend.

Liberals are so "compassionate" they would spend the country into ruin, and then nobody would be getting the help they need. Are there Racists in the Tea Party? Of course, It is unavoidable that a party that's primary goal is the Defeat of Obama, A black Man, Will attract Racists. Though I believe, and Hope, That most Tea Party people are like me. Fiscal Conservatives who are sick of the spending and never ending expansion of Federal Power, and Fed up with the people in the GOP who for years have been saying we have to be more like Democrats to win. Thinking like that gave us the McCain and the worst campaign in a long time. Where we needed a stark contrast they gave us a wishy washy Moderate, and we lost. Thinking like that gave us Bushes Prescription Drug Plan. We have to stop thinking we need liberal to like us a little to win. they are only 21% of the people and will never vote for the GOP why the fuck should we try to move in their Direction at all?

 

[oreo]

First let me start off by saying BOOOOOOSH was a spending fool too and he did in fact leave Obama a cluster fuck of a mess. So hopefully we can dispense with the distractions and diversions and focus on our CURRENT FISCAL MESS.

Obama was elected because he said he understood the problems and assured us that he could fix them. Here we are nearly 3 years later and things are in fact worse than when he started. He spent his first year and a half pushing policies that the public protested by the millions because they disagreed by margins of 60% or more. He ended up doing all this behind closed doors. The very doors that he promised to keep open. He had to bribe people in both parties to support him because even with complete control of both houses his agenda wasn't liked. Now keep in mind those bribes are the very same thing that led to Blago's trials and the very things that Pelosi promised to clean out of the swamp. Now in that 2 years did Obamas policies help our crippled economy? I think not. At least there is no proof that anyone can point to thats irrefutable.

Essentially you can thank Obama for the Tea Party. He caused their creation because of his push for far left policies and uninhibited spending. The people protested in the millions, marched on the mall, screamed to the hills at town hall meetings and wrote their congressmen/women in mass. It all fell on def ears as congress wanted the bribes and kickbacks more than they wanted to listen to the people. I guess they thought they could say "look what I got for you, so re-elect me". Problem is, the people didn't want the freebies, they wanted fiscal discipline. Obama, Dem's and moderates all heard them loud and clear in November though.

Now fast forward to November 2010. After being tired of being ignored the people of our great country go to the polls in mass and put the Tea Party (TP) in power in the house. All be it the power is very limited as the senate is still held by the democrats. Thus we have a divided govt. We have a divided govt because the democrats wouldn't listen. Its your own fault people, you should have listened.

Anyhow the TP has had how many of their policies enacted upon and put into law? None that I know of. They're all sitting, collecting dust in the senate. How is it the TP is ruining our country when their contributions like the peoples voices have been pushed to the side? You literally cant blame them for any of this mess. NONE OF IT. They didn't spend it. They didn't vote for it. They didn't ask for it. They're here to try to fix it.

Then the debt debate comes to the fore front. Their ideas were kicked to the curb by the left. They kicked the lefts ideas to the curb. We were at an impasse and the moderates won with a bill that got neither side what they wanted and the people lose out because the spending is only marginally slowed. That marginal gain is all the TP can celebrate. If the ridiculous acronym of hostage taker can be applied to the TP it can certainly be said about the left as they both held fast to their convictions to the end. Thats how divide govt works. Dont like it, dont spend like there is no tomorrow.

Which brings me to my next point. What ails this country? Three things can not be denied by anyone.
1) Our spending is out of control
2) our debt is strangling our economy
3) taxes do not control our debt or spending.
The proof for number one is our staggering debt. Number two is a result of number one. And finally number three has never stopped us from spending more. In fact it enables us to spend even more. For the people to trust congress to use our taxes wisely and feel at ease about a rise in the taxes you have to display an ability to use OUR MONEY in a manner that reflects the will of the people. Shoving Ocare and Frank Dodd down our throats does not build confidence. Nor do all the numerous regulations that Obama is bypassing congress and using executive orders to enact. IE.. EPA regulations

Now the left is referring to the TP as terrorists, extreme, hostage takers and all other manner of ridiculous nonsense. Which in it self is absurd because they wont even call terrorists, terrorists. When Gabby was shot the left decried rhetoric of this nature yet here we are. Me thinks the left has a short memory, especially when it doesn't suit their agenda.

Now we've about come full circle so what lays before us? An upcoming budget debate that is surely to be contentious. A looming election that has me wondering if the left has learned the lessons of 2010. The last time you guys used all this extreme rhetoric and ignored the people what happened? what was it? .........a "shellacking" The people want spending cut and fiscal sanity to return
something like 66% approve of cut cap and balance
Something in the 70%'s approve of a balanced budget amendment
A large % approve of tax hikes on the rich but thats hardly a fair poll for 2 reasons its not the "shared sacrifice" Obama keeps calling for and its a poll asking people if they care if someone else pays instead of them. Besides we all know tax increases wont curb the underlying problem of spending too much, it will only further enable it.

Here we are nearly 3 years later on course to spend nearly 7 trillion dollars and what do we have to show for it? Not a damn thing. EXCEPT A DEBT THAT IS STRANGLING US.
Did the TP accumulate this debt? Did they spend it? Did they ask for it?
FIGURE OUT WHO DID AND YOU WILL FIND THE CULPRIT THAT CAUSED ALL THESE CURRENT PROBLEMS!!!!

In finishing off my rant let me say a few final things. I thought about this all damn day while I was at work. It came up because of all the false blame being tossed around on here in the last couple days. I came home spent an hour gathering my thoughts, organizing them and typing them here. Only to find that for some reason I had been logged out while typing it and when I hit submit it was all lost because I had to log back in. So I angrily retyped it and now its not as organized or thought out as it was.... sorry
Anyhow I know Ill get the usual idiots come in with one liners because thats what sparked this WALL-O-TEXT in the first place. To the others, I look forward to seeing your thoughts and maybe we can debate rationally.

PS. I know the TP isn't right on every issue, no one ever is. But I personally agree with their fiscal approach and believe it deserves respect. Also Im quite aware that they didnt cause our problems.

The Tea Party certainly didn't spend this country into 14.3 TRILLION dollars in red ink.

There is nothing more honorable mostly 40+ seniors that stand up for the benefit of future generations in this country. Most of the tea party group consists of older Americans whose benefits are questionable under this government spending and whom are willing to stand up against this enormous--expensive government expansion--and take all of the insults--when they're only out there trying to protect their children/grandchildren and future generations of this country--from a federal government that is looking like it is going to run over them with a mac truck.

And that is why Tea Party members in this country are the TRUE Patriots of it.

 

[theliq]

In Australia we have and have had a comprehensive health care (and social security)system for all(THAT's FOR ALL) for nearly 30 odd years now,you can take private cover too...It makes the US system look pathetic and antiquated...which of course it is..pathetic,this is why we pay our taxes but you must realise that forward thinking,socially responsible countries like Australia are now so advanced than the US..who could never catch up...... and we certainly blush for you.

Australia the land of the really FREE...steve

Obamacare was the trigger. Were it not for that all the town halls and protests wouldn't have happened. Have either of you ever been to a TP rally? I have and there are plenty of blacks attending. Are they racists to or just Uncle Toms? It's time to get past your own guilt I think.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Did the Tea Party cause our problems or cause them to get worse?

Let's just say.....when it comes to Politics, Teabaggers aren't the most-sophisticated participants.

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[Steelplate]

Stealplate I'm on my EVO today so I'm not gonna quote ya as it makes it nearly impossible to filter through long posts. But I do want to comment on your post.

The TP and Ryans budget don't want to destroy Medicare. They want to try to make it viable for future generations. Also I find it offensive that democrats as a whole want to demonize any efforts to do so. Having said that I'm not claiming that only the right have any good ideas or that all their ideas are good but at least they are putting forth an effort.
I just don't understand why for instance the left couldn't take Ryans plan. Debate it, add ideas to it and try to come to a mutually agreeable plan for the future. Hell Reid could have taken the Ryan budget, guted it and added their ideas. But all we get is partisan snipes. The system can't sustain itself on its current track. Is the left going to just keep demogouging the issue until they lose power and then have no voice in the changes? I just don't get the logic.

Take the ideas of the TP and make something out of them. Or be left behind when the change comes. If the TP gains ranks in the next election and the left doesn't adjust they will be left in the dust with no voice.

Ryan's plan is exactly to destroy Medicare.... Just like the School Voucher system is an attempt to destroy Public Education, and the reason for doing so isn't nearly as benevolent as you make it seem. Private Insurance is chomping at the bit to make money off of the elderly... they can charge them outrageous rates because of the risk of insuring an elderly person. People need to stop looking at things cosmetically and dig a little deeper. Follow the money. The system CAN sustain itself if we make it a priority. But see, you guys don't believe in price controls... that's baaaad, that Socialism. But when it boils down to things that are absolutely necessary to survive in this country, that's what we need. The Health Care law should have addressed this by being a single payer system, where all aspects of Health Care gets reimbursed in a fair, but controlled manner.

I know, I know... The typical response is... "what about innovation?" What about innovation? Why are Americans stuck paying premium prices for Drugs, medical Technology, and Medical Procedures when in other countries they get them dirt cheap? Why? I'll tell you why.... because they can, and we are idiots. How about we spread the cost of "innovation" across the globe? Charge everyone else a little more so that Americans aren't the "Nanny country" for the rest of the globe. Sure.... it would be dependent upon ability... Europe, China, Japan and other successful Industrialized Countries would share the burden much more than non-industrialized countries... some, like Somalia and severely impoverished ones would get it for free, just like they do now. But it's ridiculous to overcharge the American People just because they can.

Truthfully, that same argument could be said for any of our "necessities" in life...Food... we have enough food produced to give it away to all Americans and still have enough to feed part of the third world. With food, it's not about supply and demand, it's about "how much can we get away with charging?" They set their price points and raise or lower them as needed to sell it. If it's selling, they sneak the price up gradually... like the frog in boiling water. Now, don't get me wrong... I am not actually saying to give it away. I AM saying that there needs to be a change in how we do business.

Ok... Health Care, Food, housing, education, Utilities... all of those things are expensive here in the US. In other countries.... those things are relatively cheap. On the other hand... Luxuries, like your EVO... DVD players, etc.... are expensive in other countries, but cheap here.

Are you starting to see the problem with our economy? Our basics are so expensive that when hard times happen(like our current situation), that's about the limit of our spending power... not the people still don't spend... but they don't spend as much and the spending becomes more cautious and basic. On Wed, I saw that Consumer spending in the US dropped by .2%... Two tenths of one percent... Thursday, the stock market dropped 500pts. Now I am not saying that those two events are exclusively tied together... But what you refuse to see is that our economy is inextricably tied to Consumer spending. People don't buy, Corporations don't sell, Corporations don't sell, they lay off, less people working means less money in hand for consumers... so they buy even less... and so on.

To sit there and deny that Americans doing well is essential for our economy is not reality. That's why it can't always be about Profit and has to be about the people. You get people to have disposable income again.... you will see the economy recover. But it can't be a tax credit... it has to be a concerted effort from our Private AND Public Sectors. THAT'S the way you dig yourself out of this.... Not By making things harder on the people... that's asinine.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Steelplate we are gonna have to disagree on Ryans plan. I see it as a start to a solution, you see it as an end. Those differences can't be meshed.

I strongly disagree with your assertion that price controls are the answer. If the govt wants to control the prices and products of private industry then it needs to be responsible for the company, how its run and what it can charge. That's nuts, no thanks. There is a reason Obama didn't get the sp in his healthcare law. It's insane and didn't have a chance in hell of passing. He barely got this unconstitutional disaster passed.

And yes, school vouchers would destroy the public school "system" aka 3 ring circus. It would however help the students. Especially those in horrible school districts. The fact that you guys don't want any of these types of reforms shows your party for what they are. Greedy control freaks.

 

[Steelplate]

Steelplate we are gonna have to disagree on Ryans plan. I see it as a start to a solution, you see it as an end. Those differences can't be meshed.

I strongly disagree with your assertion that price controls are the answer. If the govt wants to control the prices and products of private industry then it needs to be responsible for the company, how its run and what it can charge. That's nuts, no thanks. There is a reason Obama didn't get the sp in his healthcare law. It's insane and didn't have a chance in hell of passing. He barely got this unconstitutional disaster passed.

And yes, school vouchers would destroy the public school "system" aka 3 ring circus. It would however help the students. Especially those in horrible school districts. The fact that you guys don't want any of these types of reforms shows your party for what they are. Greedy control freaks.

Fine... we'll agree to disagree.

So much for an honest discussion without name calling and whatnot... and you're the one that blinked... Ok... gloves off, huh? Greedy control freaks??? Seriously? Job outsourcing and laying Americans off for more profit isn't greedy? Pot? meet kettle.

Sorry dude, either we make things better for the people who spend their money on the things these "so called" job creators make, or this economy is going to keep rolling downhill. And yes... it will be the fault of people like you, who can't(or refuse to) see that there are many, MANY more people that are workers who need to raise a family than rich, greedy tychoons, who always seem to make a killing no matter what.

You can't have a supply side, consumer driven economy when people don't have the money to spend it. THAT is the shortsightedness of Private Sector business. THEY are the ones that Busted Unions, Kept the wages stagnant, outsourced jobs to foreign countries and left a wasteland of blue collar workers in their wake that have little hope of finding a good paying job again and all while that was happening, those same people were raking in profits and salaries like never before....a lot of those Blue Collar people don't have the skills and/or the intelligence to go to school and get a degree. These were factory workers strong of back and strong of heart... and they ripped those strong hearts right out of their chest for fucking money... so don't sit there and call us greedy, you bastard... because Greed is what caused this. The Greed of people who don't want to pay an honest days wages for an honest day's work, the greed of people who think they are "too damned important" to deal with taxes and regulation. The greed of people who think they are above everyone else and think that their agenda is the only one that matters.

Now, their greed continues by wanting to privatize everything that hasn't been yet... Medicare, Social Security, Public Education, the prison system.... This is not for the betterment of the people... this is for them to rake the people over the coals even more.... for their gain.

How fucking DARE you call other people greedy when the agenda you support is NOTHING but Greed based?

They want to get rid of the minimum wage... so they can make even more and let people wonder how they are going to survive... it don't matter to them that even at $7.25, people can't raise a family on it, they want to pay less and make more.

This is the agenda YOU support. Where the ONLY thing that matter is rich people making more and more and regular people losing more and more.

Let me ask you something... what's going to happen when No one has any money for anything extra? When they can only afford to feed their faces and keep some semblance of a roof over their heads? What will become of the economy then? Oh yeah... the Chinese WILL take our place... but it won't be because of the "hated" liberals.... it'll be because of Jackasses like you who think that whatever business does is "good" for the economy and good for America.

Greedy? Of all the damned nerve...

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Steelplate we are gonna have to disagree on Ryans plan. I see it as a start to a solution, you see it as an end. Those differences can't be meshed.

I strongly disagree with your assertion that price controls are the answer. If the govt wants to control the prices and products of private industry then it needs to be responsible for the company, how its run and what it can charge. That's nuts, no thanks. There is a reason Obama didn't get the sp in his healthcare law. It's insane and didn't have a chance in hell of passing. He barely got this unconstitutional disaster passed.

And yes, school vouchers would destroy the public school "system" aka 3 ring circus. It would however help the students. Especially those in horrible school districts. The fact that you guys don't want any of these types of reforms shows your party for what they are. Greedy control freaks.

Fine... we'll agree to disagree.

So much for an honest discussion without name calling and whatnot... and you're the one that blinked... Ok... gloves off, huh? Greedy control freaks??? Seriously? Job outsourcing and laying Americans off for more profit isn't greedy? Pot? meet kettle.

Sorry dude, either we make things better for the people who spend their money on the things these "so called" job creators make, or this economy is going to keep rolling downhill. And yes... it will be the fault of people like you, who can't(or refuse to) see that there are many, MANY more people that are workers who need to raise a family than rich, greedy tychoons, who always seem to make a killing no matter what.

You can't have a supply side, consumer driven economy when people don't have the money to spend it. THAT is the shortsightedness of Private Sector business. THEY are the ones that Busted Unions, Kept the wages stagnant, outsourced jobs to foreign countries and left a wasteland of blue collar workers in their wake that have little hope of finding a good paying job again and all while that was happening, those same people were raking in profits and salaries like never before....a lot of those Blue Collar people don't have the skills and/or the intelligence to go to school and get a degree. These were factory workers strong of back and strong of heart... and they ripped those strong hearts right out of their chest for fucking money... so don't sit there and call us greedy, you bastard... because Greed is what caused this. The Greed of people who don't want to pay an honest days wages for an honest day's work, the greed of people who think they are "too damned important" to deal with taxes and regulation. The greed of people who think they are above everyone else and think that their agenda is the only one that matters.

Now, their greed continues by wanting to privatize everything that hasn't been yet... Medicare, Social Security, Public Education, the prison system.... This is not for the betterment of the people... this is for them to rake the people over the coals even more.... for their gain.

How fucking DARE you call other people greedy when the agenda you support is NOTHING but Greed based?

They want to get rid of the minimum wage... so they can make even more and let people wonder how they are going to survive... it don't matter to them that even at $7.25, people can't raise a family on it, they want to pay less and make more.

This is the agenda YOU support. Where the ONLY thing that matter is rich people making more and more and regular people losing more and more.

Let me ask you something... what's going to happen when No one has any money for anything extra? When they can only afford to feed their faces and keep some semblance of a roof over their heads? What will become of the economy then? Oh yeah... the Chinese WILL take our place... but it won't be because of the "hated" liberals.... it'll be because of Jackasses like you who think that whatever business does is "good" for the economy and good for America.

Greedy? Of all the damned nerve...

Yes greed. Greed for power over what people do. Greed for more govt control. We've tried your parties plan for nearly 3 years now and all we have to show for it is massive govt and debt and a shit economy. I'm sorry that that point eluded you to the point of making you rage post like a 10th grade kid getting picked on in school. Then you proceed to call ME not my party all manner of names. Grow up son

 

[ABikerSailor]

Steelplate we are gonna have to disagree on Ryans plan. I see it as a start to a solution, you see it as an end. Those differences can't be meshed.

I strongly disagree with your assertion that price controls are the answer. If the govt wants to control the prices and products of private industry then it needs to be responsible for the company, how its run and what it can charge. That's nuts, no thanks. There is a reason Obama didn't get the sp in his healthcare law. It's insane and didn't have a chance in hell of passing. He barely got this unconstitutional disaster passed.

And yes, school vouchers would destroy the public school "system" aka 3 ring circus. It would however help the students. Especially those in horrible school districts. The fact that you guys don't want any of these types of reforms shows your party for what they are. Greedy control freaks.

Fine... we'll agree to disagree.

So much for an honest discussion without name calling and whatnot... and you're the one that blinked... Ok... gloves off, huh? Greedy control freaks??? Seriously? Job outsourcing and laying Americans off for more profit isn't greedy? Pot? meet kettle.

Sorry dude, either we make things better for the people who spend their money on the things these "so called" job creators make, or this economy is going to keep rolling downhill. And yes... it will be the fault of people like you, who can't(or refuse to) see that there are many, MANY more people that are workers who need to raise a family than rich, greedy tychoons, who always seem to make a killing no matter what.

You can't have a supply side, consumer driven economy when people don't have the money to spend it. THAT is the shortsightedness of Private Sector business. THEY are the ones that Busted Unions, Kept the wages stagnant, outsourced jobs to foreign countries and left a wasteland of blue collar workers in their wake that have little hope of finding a good paying job again and all while that was happening, those same people were raking in profits and salaries like never before....a lot of those Blue Collar people don't have the skills and/or the intelligence to go to school and get a degree. These were factory workers strong of back and strong of heart... and they ripped those strong hearts right out of their chest for fucking money... so don't sit there and call us greedy, you bastard... because Greed is what caused this. The Greed of people who don't want to pay an honest days wages for an honest day's work, the greed of people who think they are "too damned important" to deal with taxes and regulation. The greed of people who think they are above everyone else and think that their agenda is the only one that matters.

Now, their greed continues by wanting to privatize everything that hasn't been yet... Medicare, Social Security, Public Education, the prison system.... This is not for the betterment of the people... this is for them to rake the people over the coals even more.... for their gain.

How fucking DARE you call other people greedy when the agenda you support is NOTHING but Greed based?

They want to get rid of the minimum wage... so they can make even more and let people wonder how they are going to survive... it don't matter to them that even at $7.25, people can't raise a family on it, they want to pay less and make more.

This is the agenda YOU support. Where the ONLY thing that matter is rich people making more and more and regular people losing more and more.

Let me ask you something... what's going to happen when No one has any money for anything extra? When they can only afford to feed their faces and keep some semblance of a roof over their heads? What will become of the economy then? Oh yeah... the Chinese WILL take our place... but it won't be because of the "hated" liberals.... it'll be because of Jackasses like you who think that whatever business does is "good" for the economy and good for America.

Greedy? Of all the damned nerve...

Yes greed. Greed for power over what people do. Greed for more govt control. We've tried your parties plan for nearly 3 years now and all we have to show for it is massive govt and debt and a shit economy. I'm sorry that that point eluded you to the point of making you rage post like a 10th grade kid getting picked on in school. Then you proceed to call ME not my party all manner of names. Grow up son

Hey stupid...........what about the failed plan of the tax cuts that started 10 FUCKING YEARS AGO under Jr.?

The tax cuts haven't done SHIT for this country since they've been enacted, they've just made the rich richer.

 

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Fine... we'll agree to disagree.

So much for an honest discussion without name calling and whatnot... and you're the one that blinked... Ok... gloves off, huh? Greedy control freaks??? Seriously? Job outsourcing and laying Americans off for more profit isn't greedy? Pot? meet kettle.

Sorry dude, either we make things better for the people who spend their money on the things these "so called" job creators make, or this economy is going to keep rolling downhill. And yes... it will be the fault of people like you, who can't(or refuse to) see that there are many, MANY more people that are workers who need to raise a family than rich, greedy tychoons, who always seem to make a killing no matter what.

You can't have a supply side, consumer driven economy when people don't have the money to spend it. THAT is the shortsightedness of Private Sector business. THEY are the ones that Busted Unions, Kept the wages stagnant, outsourced jobs to foreign countries and left a wasteland of blue collar workers in their wake that have little hope of finding a good paying job again and all while that was happening, those same people were raking in profits and salaries like never before....a lot of those Blue Collar people don't have the skills and/or the intelligence to go to school and get a degree. These were factory workers strong of back and strong of heart... and they ripped those strong hearts right out of their chest for fucking money... so don't sit there and call us greedy, you bastard... because Greed is what caused this. The Greed of people who don't want to pay an honest days wages for an honest day's work, the greed of people who think they are "too damned important" to deal with taxes and regulation. The greed of people who think they are above everyone else and think that their agenda is the only one that matters.

Now, their greed continues by wanting to privatize everything that hasn't been yet... Medicare, Social Security, Public Education, the prison system.... This is not for the betterment of the people... this is for them to rake the people over the coals even more.... for their gain.

How fucking DARE you call other people greedy when the agenda you support is NOTHING but Greed based?

They want to get rid of the minimum wage... so they can make even more and let people wonder how they are going to survive... it don't matter to them that even at $7.25, people can't raise a family on it, they want to pay less and make more.

This is the agenda YOU support. Where the ONLY thing that matter is rich people making more and more and regular people losing more and more.

Let me ask you something... what's going to happen when No one has any money for anything extra? When they can only afford to feed their faces and keep some semblance of a roof over their heads? What will become of the economy then? Oh yeah... the Chinese WILL take our place... but it won't be because of the "hated" liberals.... it'll be because of Jackasses like you who think that whatever business does is "good" for the economy and good for America.

Greedy? Of all the damned nerve...

Yes greed. Greed for power over what people do. Greed for more govt control. We've tried your parties plan for nearly 3 years now and all we have to show for it is massive govt and debt and a shit economy. I'm sorry that that point eluded you to the point of making you rage post like a 10th grade kid getting picked on in school. Then you proceed to call ME not my party all manner of names. Grow up son

Hey stupid...........what about the failed plan of the tax cuts that started 10 FUCKING YEARS AGO under Jr.?

The tax cuts haven't done SHIT for this country since they've been enacted, they've just made the rich richer.

Yeah, more childish name calling.

Um, everyone got their taxes cut under Bush and then again when Obama extended them. Now if they were the source of our economies woes don't you think the "one" wouldn't have extended them? I mean he's "bright and articulate" so he knows what he's doing right?
Besides the tax cuts were not put into place ten years ago to deal with todays crisis. Obamas policies have been put into effect to deal with todays problems. Thing is THEY AREN'T WORKING.