Did Jesus Know He was Starting a New Movement?

[ding]

He was about the church. That was his mission. It's what he died for.

what word did Jesus use for "the church" ?

In English, church, of course. One verse signifying that has already been cited a number of times.

Much more often, though, Jesus referred to it as the kingdom.

Jesus did not know English-----it is likely that he did not know greek
either------as described in the NT, he was literate in both Hebrew
and Aramaic. WORDS are important in understanding------
just WAT A WRITING MEANS. Jesus referred to WHAT as
"the kingdom"? and what is the WORD he used?

The church is the Kingdom. Are you lost?

He used the word kingdom (in Aramaic, of course). In Greek, which is the language of the Gospels, the word is basileía.

so you don't know. You are guessing that Jesus claimed
he had founded a "kingdom" stated in Aramaic which is also
"church" In Hebrew it is mamlekhah-----sorta "that which is of
a king" ------at that time a country ruled by a king-----probably similar
in Aramaic. At that time Rome was ruled by a king-----it was a kingdom

How about temples? Did Jews have temples?

 

[ding]

I asked you. You pick one.

The one about getting to an invible being through him.

"No one comes to the Father except through me" (Jn 14:6). That one?

Jesus is declaring something. What makes it a tale?

It's bullshit. He made it up. So he's conning people.

What is the con, exactly?

He was trying to start a cult.

He was reconciling justice with mercy.

He was born into the world to testify to the truth.

 

[Wyatt earp]

According to some biblical historians, such as Bart Ehrman, most scholars believe Jesus did not know that he was launching a new movement, i.e., the church, because that movement started after his death. If that’s the case, did Jesus fail? What was the purpose of his ministry? What was the “good news”?


I say that Jesus did know what he was bringing to the world, and he quite explicitly says so. What do you say?

That's a good question...if Jesus was just a magic man as some say...then the answer is no..


But he is the son of God, so the answer is yes..

 

[ding]

Before Abraham was, I AM--John 8:57

who is "I am" and in what language was the concept expressed
----and using what word(s)?

Let me guess, you're a Bart Ehrman acolyte. Yes?

nope---------have barely looked at his stuff------the little I do
know is that he does get into linguistic in a scholarly manner.
INDEPENDENTLY of bart------I noticed how important is
Linguistics when I first learned a bit of Hebrew-----and learned
a bit of how the Talmud and its scholars work. I am not a
bible scholar. Anyone who WANTS to be a bible scholar
of the NT should learn the Judeo/Aramaic of the time of Jesus

Then why are you, Ehrman like, demanding that we pick at weeds and ignoring the forest? Why do you assume the Bible--the most sold, most widely read and translated book in all of human history, has been translated so poorly?

You're picking at weeds, you realize, when you demand we answer these minutiae. And that's exactly what it is. Jesus said exactly what He meant, and it's been gone over and gone over. That is why the Jews picked up stones to kill Him. THEY knew exactly what He meant--He was saying He was God.

Did this not occur to you?

Exactly.

The Claims of Jesus • Jews for Jesus

 

[irosie91]

what word did Jesus use for "the church" ?

In English, church, of course. One verse signifying that has already been cited a number of times.

Much more often, though, Jesus referred to it as the kingdom.

Jesus did not know English-----it is likely that he did not know greek
either------as described in the NT, he was literate in both Hebrew
and Aramaic. WORDS are important in understanding------
just WAT A WRITING MEANS. Jesus referred to WHAT as
"the kingdom"? and what is the WORD he used?

The church is the Kingdom. Are you lost?

He used the word kingdom (in Aramaic, of course). In Greek, which is the language of the Gospels, the word is basileía.

so you don't know. You are guessing that Jesus claimed
he had founded a "kingdom" stated in Aramaic which is also
"church" In Hebrew it is mamlekhah-----sorta "that which is of
a king" ------at that time a country ruled by a king-----probably similar
in Aramaic. At that time Rome was ruled by a king-----it was a kingdom

Jews never had kings or kingdoms?

or course jews had kingdoms-----are you claiming that Jesus proclaimed
himself the KING OF JUDEA?

 

[ding]

In English, church, of course. One verse signifying that has already been cited a number of times.

Much more often, though, Jesus referred to it as the kingdom.

Jesus did not know English-----it is likely that he did not know greek
either------as described in the NT, he was literate in both Hebrew
and Aramaic. WORDS are important in understanding------
just WAT A WRITING MEANS. Jesus referred to WHAT as
"the kingdom"? and what is the WORD he used?

The church is the Kingdom. Are you lost?

He used the word kingdom (in Aramaic, of course). In Greek, which is the language of the Gospels, the word is basileía.

so you don't know. You are guessing that Jesus claimed
he had founded a "kingdom" stated in Aramaic which is also
"church" In Hebrew it is mamlekhah-----sorta "that which is of
a king" ------at that time a country ruled by a king-----probably similar
in Aramaic. At that time Rome was ruled by a king-----it was a kingdom

Jews never had kings or kingdoms?

or course jews had kingdoms-----are you claiming that Jesus proclaimed
himself the KING OF JUDEA?

Nope.

 

[Taz]

The one about getting to an invible being through him.

"No one comes to the Father except through me" (Jn 14:6). That one?

Jesus is declaring something. What makes it a tale?

It's bullshit. He made it up. So he's conning people.

What is the con, exactly?

He was trying to start a cult.

He was reconciling justice with mercy.

He was born into the world to testify to the truth.

So the truth is that you should die nailed to wood with your shlong hanging out?

 

[ding]

"No one comes to the Father except through me" (Jn 14:6). That one?

Jesus is declaring something. What makes it a tale?

It's bullshit. He made it up. So he's conning people.

What is the con, exactly?

He was trying to start a cult.

He was reconciling justice with mercy.

He was born into the world to testify to the truth.

So the truth is that you should die nailed to wood with your shlong hanging out?

No. I should die to self to confront reality.

It’s pretty much a central theme in all religions.

 

[Taz]

It's bullshit. He made it up. So he's conning people.

What is the con, exactly?

He was trying to start a cult.

He was reconciling justice with mercy.

He was born into the world to testify to the truth.

So the truth is that you should die nailed to wood with your shlong hanging out?

No. I should die to self to confront reality.

It’s pretty much a central theme in all religions.

"die to self"? wtf does that mean?

 

[ding]

What is the con, exactly?

He was trying to start a cult.

He was reconciling justice with mercy.

He was born into the world to testify to the truth.

So the truth is that you should die nailed to wood with your shlong hanging out?

No. I should die to self to confront reality.

It’s pretty much a central theme in all religions.

"die to self"? wtf does that mean?

Maybe you will figure it out one day. Or maybe not.

 

[Taz]

He was trying to start a cult.

He was reconciling justice with mercy.

He was born into the world to testify to the truth.

So the truth is that you should die nailed to wood with your shlong hanging out?

No. I should die to self to confront reality.

It’s pretty much a central theme in all religions.

"die to self"? wtf does that mean?

Maybe you will figure it out one day. Or maybe not.

So without meaning. Got it.

 

[ding]

He was reconciling justice with mercy.

He was born into the world to testify to the truth.

So the truth is that you should die nailed to wood with your shlong hanging out?

No. I should die to self to confront reality.

It’s pretty much a central theme in all religions.

"die to self"? wtf does that mean?

Maybe you will figure it out one day. Or maybe not.

So without meaning. Got it.

I truly wish you did.

 

[Taz]

So the truth is that you should die nailed to wood with your shlong hanging out?

No. I should die to self to confront reality.

It’s pretty much a central theme in all religions.

"die to self"? wtf does that mean?

Maybe you will figure it out one day. Or maybe not.

So without meaning. Got it.

I truly wish you did.

Then explain it to me.

 

[norwegen]

It's bullshit. He made it up. So he's conning people.

What is the con, exactly?

He was trying to start a cult.

He was reconciling justice with mercy.

He was born into the world to testify to the truth.

So the truth is that you should die nailed to wood with your shlong hanging out?

No. I should die to self to confront reality.

It’s pretty much a central theme in all religions.

Christianity is not unique, then.

 

[Avatar4321]

What is the con, exactly?

He was trying to start a cult.

He was reconciling justice with mercy.

He was born into the world to testify to the truth.

So the truth is that you should die nailed to wood with your shlong hanging out?

No. I should die to self to confront reality.

It’s pretty much a central theme in all religions.

"die to self"? wtf does that mean?

Maybe if you study, seek, and pray you will find out

 

[Avatar4321]

No. I should die to self to confront reality.

It’s pretty much a central theme in all religions.

"die to self"? wtf does that mean?

Maybe you will figure it out one day. Or maybe not.

So without meaning. Got it.

I truly wish you did.

Then explain it to me.

If you showed any genuine interest I’m sure many would

 

[Avatar4321]

If Jesus didn’t know He was creating a movement, then why give the Twelve the Great Commission?

 

[ding]

No. I should die to self to confront reality.

It’s pretty much a central theme in all religions.

"die to self"? wtf does that mean?

Maybe you will figure it out one day. Or maybe not.

So without meaning. Got it.

I truly wish you did.

Then explain it to me.

Why?

 

[ding]

What is the con, exactly?

He was trying to start a cult.

He was reconciling justice with mercy.

He was born into the world to testify to the truth.

So the truth is that you should die nailed to wood with your shlong hanging out?

No. I should die to self to confront reality.

It’s pretty much a central theme in all religions.

Christianity is not unique, then.

Not in that regard, no.

 

[Taz]

He was trying to start a cult.

He was reconciling justice with mercy.

He was born into the world to testify to the truth.

So the truth is that you should die nailed to wood with your shlong hanging out?

No. I should die to self to confront reality.

It’s pretty much a central theme in all religions.

"die to self"? wtf does that mean?

Maybe if you study, seek, and pray you will find out

If you have nothing to add, why the fuck are you answering?