Did Jesus Know He was Starting a New Movement?

[norwegen]

According to some biblical historians, such as Bart Ehrman, most scholars believe Jesus did not know that he was launching a new movement, i.e., the church, because that movement started after his death. If that’s the case, did Jesus fail? What was the purpose of his ministry? What was the “good news”?


I say that Jesus did know what he was bringing to the world, and he quite explicitly says so. What do you say?

 

[irosie91]

no

 

[tyroneweaver]

According to some biblical historians, such as Bart Ehrman, most scholars believe Jesus did not know that he was launching a new movement, i.e., the church, because that movement started after his death. If that’s the case, did Jesus fail? What was the purpose of his ministry? What was the “good news”?


I say that Jesus did know what he was bringing to the world, and he quite explicitly says so. What do you say?[/QUOTE"]
"Upon this rock I will build my church."

"Upon this rock I will build my church."

 

[norwegen]

no

Logical. Well-reasoned. Informative. I give it a 9.3.

Jesus says he will build his church (Mt 16:18). A few short years later, voila! - a church.

 

[norwegen]

According to some biblical historians, such as Bart Ehrman, most scholars believe Jesus did not know that he was launching a new movement, i.e., the church, because that movement started after his death. If that’s the case, did Jesus fail? What was the purpose of his ministry? What was the “good news”?


I say that Jesus did know what he was bringing to the world, and he quite explicitly says so. What do you say?[/QUOTE"]
"Upon this rock I will build my church."

"Upon this rock I will build my church."

Why would some scholars disagree?

 

[tyroneweaver]

According to some biblical historians, such as Bart Ehrman, most scholars believe Jesus did not know that he was launching a new movement, i.e., the church, because that movement started after his death. If that’s the case, did Jesus fail? What was the purpose of his ministry? What was the “good news”?


I say that Jesus did know what he was bringing to the world, and he quite explicitly says so. What do you say?[/QUOTE"]
"Upon this rock I will build my church."

"Upon this rock I will build my church."

Why would some scholars disagree?

The gospel net catches fish of all types.

 

[irosie91]

no

Logical. Well-reasoned. Informative. I give it a 9.3.

Jesus says he will build his church (Mt 16:18). A few short years later, voila! - a church.

Matthew wrote that

 

[jehanne1431]

Why would some scholars disagree?

The same reason so many scientists fall over themselves trying to prove there is no God or no need for an Intelligent Designer. Either it is their ego driving that position or they want to have their fun on earth and not be held accountable later.

 

[Taz]

Jesus was the original con man.

 

[irosie91]

Jesus was the original con man.

I doubt it

 

[norwegen]

no

Logical. Well-reasoned. Informative. I give it a 9.3.

Jesus says he will build his church (Mt 16:18). A few short years later, voila! - a church.

Matthew wrote that

Yes, quite likely.

 

[Taz]

Jesus was the original con man.

I doubt it

Moses?

 

[irosie91]

no

Logical. Well-reasoned. Informative. I give it a 9.3.

Jesus says he will build his church (Mt 16:18). A few short years later, voila! - a church.

Matthew wrote that

Yes, quite likely.

when matthew wrote that-----he was involved in
a self-perpetuating organization

 

[norwegen]

Jesus was the original con man.

In what way?

 

[irosie91]

Jesus was the original con man.

I doubt it

Moses?

nope

 

[norwegen]

no

Logical. Well-reasoned. Informative. I give it a 9.3.

Jesus says he will build his church (Mt 16:18). A few short years later, voila! - a church.

Matthew wrote that

Yes, quite likely.

when matthew wrote that-----he was involved in
a self-perpetuating organization

The Kiwanis Club?

 

[Taz]

Jesus was the original con man.

I doubt it

Moses?

nope

Then who? You?

 

[irosie91]

no

Logical. Well-reasoned. Informative. I give it a 9.3.

Jesus says he will build his church (Mt 16:18). A few short years later, voila! - a church.

Matthew wrote that

Yes, quite likely.

when matthew wrote that-----he was involved in
a self-perpetuating organization

The Kiwanis Club?

yup

 

[Taz]

Jesus was the original con man.

In what way?

He went around telling tales to get a following, I think the name Jesus of Nazareth translates into English as Joel Osteen.

 

[irosie91]

Jesus was the original con man.

I doubt it

Moses?

nope

Then who? You?

maybe