Did Adam And Eve Have Children While In The Garden OF Eden?

[rylah]

... or were Cain and Abel their first, after getting thrown out? There seems to be some who think they had lots of children while in the Garden, and lots after they were tossed out, and those who think they didn't have any until they were tossed out. I've only read a little on this but it seems Genesis is vague enough to allow for believing they did have children before the exile.

They may think, but based on what?

First talking point made is Genesis 1:26. Note that it says 'Let us make Man in Our image,...", implying there are multiple entities making Man, then the story reverts back to the singular reference to God in the very next sentence, re Adam and Eve, which can be taken as more than just Adam and Eve may being created here, then in 1:28 he exhorts them to 'be fruitful and multiply'. The Fall of Man doesn't come around until Chapter 3. Chapter 3:16 also implies childbirth was painless before the Fall, so why mention it was now painful if Eve wouldn't have known either way if she had never had children before?

So the narrative goes. IMO it could be read either way, and doesn't specifically state one way or the other, but it's vague enough to allow for there being children in the Garden.

GOOD points! And agree... it makes sense, both the command to produce and multiply, and the point of childbearing being painless... why mention it, if there were no childbirth at all?

Childbirth was neither mentioned before, nor fish or the heavens mentioned before.
What was the point of mentioning anything for the first time...if it's not the 1st time?

 

[rylah]

... or were Cain and Abel their first, after getting thrown out? There seems to be some who think they had lots of children while in the Garden, and lots after they were tossed out, and those who think they didn't have any until they were tossed out. I've only read a little on this but it seems Genesis is vague enough to allow for believing they did have children before the exile.

They had lots of children, yes. But not in the garden of Eden. They were kicked out of the garden directly after they committed sin. It was after that, that Adam made love with his wife, and started popping out kids.

1. Seth was born after Cain killed Able. Since this was specifically mentioned, it is unlikely Eve had many kids before Seth. It is unlikely they had a bunch of girls that were unmentioned.

2. We know Seth had to have been born outside the garden, because Cain committed sin, and the Garden was off limits from the moment sin entered the world.

3. While theoretically possible that Cain and Able were born in the garden, it is unlikely since the Bible does not mention G-d forcing any other people out of the garden. Had any others been alive at that time, we would think likely that the Bible would have mentioned everyone else being evicted.

The rest would be speculation.

Cain married his twin sister.

 

[BreezeWood]

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the reference is for what the two parents were called to task for by their deed that would not include any living children. those children's offspring would not be born in "sin" as the christians claim - so some among us are "sinless" at birth being born to those originally from the garden, not A & E. my own existence, sinless now becomes more clear. thanks, sicko.

 

[WinterBorn]

If they had multiple children while in Eden, it could explain how the people of Nod came to exist.

The original children Eve had in Eden were spoiled brats. God was annoyed. He sent Satan, as a snake, to tempt Eve in an effort to get rid of the humans. Once Adam & Eve and their brood were gone, God closed the portal to Eden. Adam & Eve were so pissed they kicked the brats out of their house and they had to go east and settle the Land of Nod.

What people of Nod?

Genesis 4:16 "And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden."

Cain took a wife there and she bore him children.

 

[WinterBorn]

... or were Cain and Abel their first, after getting thrown out? There seems to be some who think they had lots of children while in the Garden, and lots after they were tossed out, and those who think they didn't have any until they were tossed out. I've only read a little on this but it seems Genesis is vague enough to allow for believing they did have children before the exile.

They had lots of children, yes. But not in the garden of Eden. They were kicked out of the garden directly after they committed sin. It was after that, that Adam made love with his wife, and started popping out kids.

1. Seth was born after Cain killed Able. Since this was specifically mentioned, it is unlikely Eve had many kids before Seth. It is unlikely they had a bunch of girls that were unmentioned.

2. We know Seth had to have been born outside the garden, because Cain committed sin, and the Garden was off limits from the moment sin entered the world.

3. While theoretically possible that Cain and Able were born in the garden, it is unlikely since the Bible does not mention G-d forcing any other people out of the garden. Had any others been alive at that time, we would think likely that the Bible would have mentioned everyone else being evicted.

The rest would be speculation.

Cain married his twin sister.

No, according to the Bible Cain took a wife in the land of Nod, and she bore him a son he named Enoch.

 

[Andylusion]

... or were Cain and Abel their first, after getting thrown out? There seems to be some who think they had lots of children while in the Garden, and lots after they were tossed out, and those who think they didn't have any until they were tossed out. I've only read a little on this but it seems Genesis is vague enough to allow for believing they did have children before the exile.

They had lots of children, yes. But not in the garden of Eden. They were kicked out of the garden directly after they committed sin. It was after that, that Adam made love with his wife, and started popping out kids.

1. Seth was born after Cain killed Able. Since this was specifically mentioned, it is unlikely Eve had many kids before Seth. It is unlikely they had a bunch of girls that were unmentioned.

2. We know Seth had to have been born outside the garden, because Cain committed sin, and the Garden was off limits from the moment sin entered the world.

3. While theoretically possible that Cain and Able were born in the garden, it is unlikely since the Bible does not mention G-d forcing any other people out of the garden. Had any others been alive at that time, we would think likely that the Bible would have mentioned everyone else being evicted.

The rest would be speculation.

Cain married his twin sister.

No, according to the Bible Cain took a wife in the land of Nod, and she bore him a son he named Enoch.

Which I believe was his sister. The Bible says in many places, that there were no other people, than from the line of Adam.

He might have gotten his wife while in the land of Nod...... but that doesn't mean that this wife, did not originate from Adam and Eve, or from some other couple that came from Adam and Eve.

 

[Desperado]

What I want to know, if Adam and Eve only had two sons, Where did Caine and Able find their wives.

 

[Vandalshandle]

... or were Cain and Abel their first, after getting thrown out? There seems to be some who think they had lots of children while in the Garden, and lots after they were tossed out, and those who think they didn't have any until they were tossed out. I've only read a little on this but it seems Genesis is vague enough to allow for believing they did have children before the exile.

They may think, but based on what?

First talking point made is Genesis 1:26. Note that it says 'Let us make Man in Our image,...", implying there are multiple entities making Man, then the story reverts back to the singular reference to God in the very next sentence, re Adam and Eve, which can be taken as more than just Adam and Eve may being created here, then in 1:28 he exhorts them to 'be fruitful and multiply'. The Fall of Man doesn't come around until Chapter 3. Chapter 3:16 also implies childbirth was painless before the Fall, so why mention it was now painful if Eve wouldn't have known either way if she had never had children before?

So the narrative goes. IMO it could be read either way, and doesn't specifically state one way or the other, but it's vague enough to allow for there being children in the Garden.

I never thought that I would actually come across a real person who believes this horse shit who was over 13 years old.

 

[ReinyDays]

The Bible itself makes no mention of any children from Adam and Eve except the three ...

However ... if we cast our net a little further ... we'll find a ditty titled "The First Book of Adam and Eve" ... We begin with our young couple cast adrift from the Garden ... a somewhat long tale involving much gnashing of teeth, sewing of garments and battling of Satan ... Chapter 74 we have the birth of the twins Cain and Luluwa, Chapter 75 we have the birth of the twins Abel and Aklemia ... Abel was to marry Luluwa and Cain to Aklemia ... alas, Cain did lust after his own sister Luluwa, slew his brother Abel and ran off with her ... then Seth was born and he married Aklemia, though she was like a zillion years older ...

Look ... I'm just saying such a text exists ... my copy is from "The Lost Books of the Bible and the Forgotten Books of Eden" by World Publishing Inc. ...

 

[rylah]

If they had multiple children while in Eden, it could explain how the people of Nod came to exist.

The original children Eve had in Eden were spoiled brats. God was annoyed. He sent Satan, as a snake, to tempt Eve in an effort to get rid of the humans. Once Adam & Eve and their brood were gone, God closed the portal to Eden. Adam & Eve were so pissed they kicked the brats out of their house and they had to go east and settle the Land of Nod.

What people of Nod?

Genesis 4:16 "And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden."

Cain took a wife there and she bore him children.

... or were Cain and Abel their first, after getting thrown out? There seems to be some who think they had lots of children while in the Garden, and lots after they were tossed out, and those who think they didn't have any until they were tossed out. I've only read a little on this but it seems Genesis is vague enough to allow for believing they did have children before the exile.

They had lots of children, yes. But not in the garden of Eden. They were kicked out of the garden directly after they committed sin. It was after that, that Adam made love with his wife, and started popping out kids.

1. Seth was born after Cain killed Able. Since this was specifically mentioned, it is unlikely Eve had many kids before Seth. It is unlikely they had a bunch of girls that were unmentioned.

2. We know Seth had to have been born outside the garden, because Cain committed sin, and the Garden was off limits from the moment sin entered the world.

3. While theoretically possible that Cain and Able were born in the garden, it is unlikely since the Bible does not mention G-d forcing any other people out of the garden. Had any others been alive at that time, we would think likely that the Bible would have mentioned everyone else being evicted.

The rest would be speculation.

Cain married his twin sister.

No, according to the Bible Cain took a wife in the land of Nod, and she bore him a son he named Enoch.

You said "people of Nod"...where are they mentioned,
based on what?

Be specific.

 

[rylah]

What I want to know, if Adam and Eve only had two sons, Where did Caine and Able find their wives.

They were born with them.

 

[luchitociencia]

Why can't both be true?

Scripture says that Adam and Eve came from inorganic matter. Science concurs.

Effectively.

God took dust from the earth to form Adam.

Very good point of yours.

 

[luchitociencia]

If they had multiple children while in Eden, it could explain how the people of Nod came to exist.

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That's another of the narratives, true. It explains where Cain and Abel found wives. If they had children while in the Garden, and none are named, would that imply they had all girls?

As you might have noticed, when is about biblical genealogy, the name of women are not mentioned, only the names of men.

Adam and Eve can have thirty daughters and three sons, the biblical record will mention only the name of the three sons.

About the land of Nod.

The bible wasn't written by the same characters. This is to say, the narration is not written by Adam himself but by one of his descendants.

In reality, the land of Nod wasn't called that way in times of Adam. At least when the events happened.

The mention of that land by its name is a "reference".

For example, you talk about Indians before the arrival of the Pilgrims. And in your map you point tribes who lived in "Florida".

But Florida wasn't the name of that land in times before the Pilgrims, however, today that is the "reference" you use to located them in that past.

 

[Picaro]

As you might have noticed, when is about biblical genealogy, the name of women are not mentioned, only the names of men.

Adam and Eve can have thirty daughters and three sons, the biblical record will mention only the name of the three sons.

Yes, hence my question about whether or not those born in the Garden would have all been girls, since only males are mentioned by name besides Eve, and so 'the people of Nod' would have been if they were descended from Adam and Eve.

The bible wasn't written by the same characters. This is to say, the narration is not written by Adam himself but by one of his descendants.

Yes, it's written on several levels, and at least of four 'voices'; that's why my question on this, trying to see the logic and the meanings. Nothing in the Bible is written randomly or without purpose, it all ties together with other 'books' and many chiasm structures within structures; its writers were trained to express a whole lot in few words. Those who keep claiming it's full of 'errors' and 'inconsistencies' are wrong, they're just ignorant.

 

[WinterBorn]

If they had multiple children while in Eden, it could explain how the people of Nod came to exist.

The original children Eve had in Eden were spoiled brats. God was annoyed. He sent Satan, as a snake, to tempt Eve in an effort to get rid of the humans. Once Adam & Eve and their brood were gone, God closed the portal to Eden. Adam & Eve were so pissed they kicked the brats out of their house and they had to go east and settle the Land of Nod.

What people of Nod?

Genesis 4:16 "And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden."

Cain took a wife there and she bore him children.

... or were Cain and Abel their first, after getting thrown out? There seems to be some who think they had lots of children while in the Garden, and lots after they were tossed out, and those who think they didn't have any until they were tossed out. I've only read a little on this but it seems Genesis is vague enough to allow for believing they did have children before the exile.

They had lots of children, yes. But not in the garden of Eden. They were kicked out of the garden directly after they committed sin. It was after that, that Adam made love with his wife, and started popping out kids.

1. Seth was born after Cain killed Able. Since this was specifically mentioned, it is unlikely Eve had many kids before Seth. It is unlikely they had a bunch of girls that were unmentioned.

2. We know Seth had to have been born outside the garden, because Cain committed sin, and the Garden was off limits from the moment sin entered the world.

3. While theoretically possible that Cain and Able were born in the garden, it is unlikely since the Bible does not mention G-d forcing any other people out of the garden. Had any others been alive at that time, we would think likely that the Bible would have mentioned everyone else being evicted.

The rest would be speculation.

Cain married his twin sister.

No, according to the Bible Cain took a wife in the land of Nod, and she bore him a son he named Enoch.

You said "people of Nod"...where are they mentioned,
based on what?

Be specific.

Genesis 4
"16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch."


Unless there were people in the land east of Eden, who did Cain marry?

 

[rylah]

If they had multiple children while in Eden, it could explain how the people of Nod came to exist.

The original children Eve had in Eden were spoiled brats. God was annoyed. He sent Satan, as a snake, to tempt Eve in an effort to get rid of the humans. Once Adam & Eve and their brood were gone, God closed the portal to Eden. Adam & Eve were so pissed they kicked the brats out of their house and they had to go east and settle the Land of Nod.

What people of Nod?

Genesis 4:16 "And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden."

Cain took a wife there and she bore him children.

... or were Cain and Abel their first, after getting thrown out? There seems to be some who think they had lots of children while in the Garden, and lots after they were tossed out, and those who think they didn't have any until they were tossed out. I've only read a little on this but it seems Genesis is vague enough to allow for believing they did have children before the exile.

They had lots of children, yes. But not in the garden of Eden. They were kicked out of the garden directly after they committed sin. It was after that, that Adam made love with his wife, and started popping out kids.

1. Seth was born after Cain killed Able. Since this was specifically mentioned, it is unlikely Eve had many kids before Seth. It is unlikely they had a bunch of girls that were unmentioned.

2. We know Seth had to have been born outside the garden, because Cain committed sin, and the Garden was off limits from the moment sin entered the world.

3. While theoretically possible that Cain and Able were born in the garden, it is unlikely since the Bible does not mention G-d forcing any other people out of the garden. Had any others been alive at that time, we would think likely that the Bible would have mentioned everyone else being evicted.

The rest would be speculation.

Cain married his twin sister.

No, according to the Bible Cain took a wife in the land of Nod, and she bore him a son he named Enoch.

You said "people of Nod"...where are they mentioned,
based on what?

Be specific.

Genesis 4
"16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch."


Unless there were people in the land east of Eden, who did Cain marry?

His twin.

 

[WinterBorn]

If they had multiple children while in Eden, it could explain how the people of Nod came to exist.

The original children Eve had in Eden were spoiled brats. God was annoyed. He sent Satan, as a snake, to tempt Eve in an effort to get rid of the humans. Once Adam & Eve and their brood were gone, God closed the portal to Eden. Adam & Eve were so pissed they kicked the brats out of their house and they had to go east and settle the Land of Nod.

What people of Nod?

Genesis 4:16 "And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden."

Cain took a wife there and she bore him children.

They had lots of children, yes. But not in the garden of Eden. They were kicked out of the garden directly after they committed sin. It was after that, that Adam made love with his wife, and started popping out kids.

1. Seth was born after Cain killed Able. Since this was specifically mentioned, it is unlikely Eve had many kids before Seth. It is unlikely they had a bunch of girls that were unmentioned.

2. We know Seth had to have been born outside the garden, because Cain committed sin, and the Garden was off limits from the moment sin entered the world.

3. While theoretically possible that Cain and Able were born in the garden, it is unlikely since the Bible does not mention G-d forcing any other people out of the garden. Had any others been alive at that time, we would think likely that the Bible would have mentioned everyone else being evicted.

The rest would be speculation.

Cain married his twin sister.

No, according to the Bible Cain took a wife in the land of Nod, and she bore him a son he named Enoch.

You said "people of Nod"...where are they mentioned,
based on what?

Be specific.

Genesis 4
"16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch."


Unless there were people in the land east of Eden, who did Cain marry?

His twin.

Based on what?

Be specific.

 

[rylah]

What people of Nod?

Genesis 4:16 "And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden."

Cain took a wife there and she bore him children.

Cain married his twin sister.

No, according to the Bible Cain took a wife in the land of Nod, and she bore him a son he named Enoch.

You said "people of Nod"...where are they mentioned,
based on what?

Be specific.

Genesis 4
"16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch."


Unless there were people in the land east of Eden, who did Cain marry?

His twin.

Based on what?

Be specific.

First of all heritage and knowledge of Hebrew grammar.

When the birth of Cain and Abel is mentioned, Cain is referred to with the word "Et", which has no parallel in English. The word is part of the words 'him' or 'her', and at best, for the sake of this specific example could be exchanged with to the word 'to' - "to Cain...and to his brother to Abel" (Gen. 4).

Not only grammatically denoting addition, but using it more than needed in the sentence.
This is on top of the word 'and added' Gen 4:2 that refers to the three times 'to'.

Twins and a triplet.

 

[Vastator]

... or were Cain and Abel their first, after getting thrown out? There seems to be some who think they had lots of children while in the Garden, and lots after they were tossed out, and those who think they didn't have any until they were tossed out. I've only read a little on this but it seems Genesis is vague enough to allow for believing they did have children before the exile.

They had lots of children, yes. But not in the garden of Eden. They were kicked out of the garden directly after they committed sin. It was after that, that Adam made love with his wife, and started popping out kids.

1. Seth was born after Cain killed Able. Since this was specifically mentioned, it is unlikely Eve had many kids before Seth. It is unlikely they had a bunch of girls that were unmentioned.

2. We know Seth had to have been born outside the garden, because Cain committed sin, and the Garden was off limits from the moment sin entered the world.

3. While theoretically possible that Cain and Able were born in the garden, it is unlikely since the Bible does not mention G-d forcing any other people out of the garden. Had any others been alive at that time, we would think likely that the Bible would have mentioned everyone else being evicted.

The rest would be speculation.

Cain married his twin sister.

He could have been banging Lilith. Adams first wife.

 

[rylah]

... or were Cain and Abel their first, after getting thrown out? There seems to be some who think they had lots of children while in the Garden, and lots after they were tossed out, and those who think they didn't have any until they were tossed out. I've only read a little on this but it seems Genesis is vague enough to allow for believing they did have children before the exile.

They had lots of children, yes. But not in the garden of Eden. They were kicked out of the garden directly after they committed sin. It was after that, that Adam made love with his wife, and started popping out kids.

1. Seth was born after Cain killed Able. Since this was specifically mentioned, it is unlikely Eve had many kids before Seth. It is unlikely they had a bunch of girls that were unmentioned.

2. We know Seth had to have been born outside the garden, because Cain committed sin, and the Garden was off limits from the moment sin entered the world.

3. While theoretically possible that Cain and Able were born in the garden, it is unlikely since the Bible does not mention G-d forcing any other people out of the garden. Had any others been alive at that time, we would think likely that the Bible would have mentioned everyone else being evicted.

The rest would be speculation.

Cain married his twin sister.

He could have been banging Lilith. Adams first wife.

Prior to wearing a body?
Adam named his wife Eve because she was "the mother of all living" Genesis 3:20.
Then on earth, we read about bearing and giving birth to children, for the first time.