Democratic Leaders AFRAID to look at the FISA Memo! BWAHAHAHA

[SassyIrishLass]

This is really strange. Was Obama a secret RNC agent or simply thick as a brick?

Thick as a brick

 

[dannyboys]

Do you think I have some vested interest in whether the "Nunes Memo" be released? I an assure you I do not. I don't care whether it is or isn't. I care only to see the kvetching among Republicans about whether to release the thing be ceased, and the reason I care to see that I know given the rules under which the House of Representatives functions, House Republicans, having control of the House, have all the power and authority they need to release it.

The bigger question in my mind is whether whatever be released will be in fact authentically and entirely the memo Rep. Nunes penned. AFAIK, the only people who've seen the memo are Nunes, a few other GOP members of the House Intel. Cmte., Trump and their respective staffs. It's not clear to me whether the ranking Democrat on the Committee has seen it. It'd make sense that he has, but I don't know that he has. Moreover, Executive Branch personnel have their own copy of it and, insofar as Trump can unilaterally declassify it, there's really no reason, other than hype and posturing, why the memo hasn't been released if the GOP want it released.

And that is the point I have been making: if the GOP will that the memo released, there's nothing stopping them from releasing it. They have in both the House and the Executive Branch the authority to do everything that's needed to release it. The only reason they couldn't release is because they destroyed it.

the Executive branch can declassify their copy of it, and nobody but Trump has final say in that regard.

Perhaps in a perfect world, and wouldn't the Democrats just love that! Trump goes against all of his advisors and just throws the thing out there raw, embarrassing the USA and many people revealing unnecessarily all kinds of sensitive information and makes yet more enemies in the intelligence agencies and elsewhere he already has enough trouble with and yet more fodder for the Press to rail about to be used against him! No, I think however they do it, Congress must do it and with due diligence towards releasing only those things necessary and nothing more. It will also be a matter of TIMING.

Congress can do whatever the hell it wants to do with classified content that is part of the Congressional record.

Republicans are not all of Congress and the democrats in the Senate are going to fight this. Democrats are not like the GOP in that they "eat their own" when someone goes astray, and the Democrats will fight this kicking and screaming all of the way because it basically implicates THEM.

Now who's intentionally blurring something? I assure you, not I

Sure. No. Not you.

What part of the "source" document for the emboldened text in post 16 -- text to which you have not responded directly -- did you not read? It's a short document. Read it.

The United States Senate and the House of Representatives, as part of the Legislative branch of the U.S. government, are not subject to the provisions of Executive Order 12958, as amended, which governs the classification of national security information within the Executive branch." (Source)

Is there some part of the above quoted statement that you don't understand?

Republicans are not all of Congress and the democrats in the Senate are going to fight this.

Insofar as the memo was created by/is the property of a member of the House, all that's needed, at most, is for the appropriate Member in the House to instruct the House Sergeant at Arms (or maybe the Clerk of the House) to release it. "At most" because what we're talking about is a memo Devin Nunes wrote, and as such, may very well be not part of the official House's Congressional records, but rather considered part of the papers of the Congressman himself.

In contrast to the institutional records of the House and Senate and the records of their committees, the papers of an individual senator or congressman are considered the “private property of the individual member,” and are often donated to an archival repository in the politician’s home state upon retirement.

If that's the case, he, at his discretion can release the memo.

Republicans are not all of Congress and the democrats in the Senate are going to fight this.

Why do you keep mentioning the Senate when the document in question is part of the House's (or House member's) records? You acknowledged that Republicans control the House.

Repubs control the House,

I've never seen you spend so much time and energy on ANY thread on this forum!
When this is over you'll be C&Ping hundreds of pages in a single post of 'blather' you get off Goggle.
"Methinks thou dost protest too much"........asshole! HAAAA HAAAAA!
Face it pal. You've climbed, once again on a stinking rotting dead horse and you don't even have the class to just shut the fuck up.

 

[usmbguest5318]

When every Republican Leader has read it and is demanding for it's release to the American public

I just heard that Republicans are calling for the release of that memo that Devin Nunes wrote. Republicans control every branch and department of government. Why are calling for it it? They control everything; all they have to do is release it. They don't have to call for a damn thing.

BINGO! they classified it, they can declassify it....

it's all the same game only reverse of what they did with the Fusion GPS testimony.... they made up a bi fat lie about the dossier and Steele, and could only tell the lies if they kept the GPS testimony from us....

now they are telling another one of their lies and claiming dems don't want it released, then they claimed democrats haven't read it.... who knows what they will lie about next???

In any classified documents the House Intelligence Committee has to vote to release it to congress and the Dems voted against it.
Then they had a 2nd vote to release it to the public and the Dems voted against it.
It's pretty clear that the Dems did not want anyone to see it.
So something must be there.

Remember that because of separation of powers (SoP), Congress is beholden to laws, rules and procedures to which it chooses to subject itself. Taking SoP to an abstract extreme, Congress could write a clause into every law it passes that says "this law shall apply to and be enforced for all citizens except sitting members of Congress." Obviously, order would be destroyed were Congress to so move for every law, rule and procedure, but make no mistake, they do so move in some instances, namely those for which Congress feels that would compromise its independence (as a branch of government) were it not to do so. And when Congress does so, what anyone else thinks about it is of no consequence.

One example of Congress exempting itself from rules and procedures applicable to the rest of the federal government comes to the fore when the government shuts down due to appropriations (spending authority) expiring. Congress and its staff is not affected by the expiry of appropriations for the rest of the federal government. As the owner of federal government "purse strings," Congress can and does authorize itself to spend money to do Congress' "business."

In any classified documents the House Intelligence Committee has to vote to release it to congress and the Dems voted against it....

Please share us the House rule on how classified House documents are declassified, specifically the passage that says House Intel. Cmte. members must vote to declassify Congressional documents.

I've on multiple occasions (posts 15, 16, 23, and 30) in this thread provided a link to a document that explains -- in section five, "Declassification of Congressional Records," of that document -- the House and Senate procedures/rules for declassifying documents each, respectively, controls/owns, and I haven't seen anything in it indicating a vote is expressly required/needed to declassify any Congressional document. A vote may be a procedure that can be followed, but it's not, AFAIK, a stipulated procedure for declassifying Congressional documents.

In any classified documents the House Intelligence Committee has to vote to release it to congress and the Dems voted against it.

In addition to sharing with us what specific House rule requires a the House Intel Cmte. vote on declassification, please share with us the House rule stipulating that House Intel Cmte. declassification votes require more than a simple majority to pass any or all motions to declassify a document.

 

[MindWars]

Republicans want this alleged damaging group of FISA memos released to the public, but Democrats are fighting hard to stop the release.

65 Republicans Lawmakers Are Trying To Force Release Of FISA Memos; Democrats Trying To Stop ⋆ WayneDupree.com

 

[Old Rocks]

I smell another 'Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi' in the making. A lot of empty rhetoric, multiple investigations, then nothing at all. You Republitards are such dumb ass suckers.

 

[usmbguest5318]

BINGO! they classified it, they can declassify it....

C4A, it doesnt work that way.

The classifications are given based on a criteria of things like sources, methodology, data sensitivity, etc.

Now they do often over-classify things, but that usually seems to be the case when a doc can cause harm in combination with other docs.

But if you really want to know what is going on in DC visit Russia Times.

The classifications are given based on a criteria of things like sources, methodology, data sensitivity, etc.

The reasons for classifying and declassifying documents are many and varied, and that's so regardless of whether it be documents Congress has classified or documents the Executive Branch have classified.

That said, and as I've noted before, Congress, due to Separation of Powers (SoP), is not subject to Executive Branch classification/declassification rules and procedures. Every document that is a part of the Congressional Record can, by Congress and only Congress, be classified or declassified as Congress sees fit to do.

What Congress cannot do, other than by passing express legislation requiring it [1], is declassify Executive Branch documents; however, where a copy/version of a given document is possessed by both Congress and the Executive Branch, Congress can declassify its copy of the document. Whether Members will see fit to do so is different matter, but that they can is not questioned.

Thoughtful readers rightly recognize that SoP can give rise to "bizarre" circumstances. The declassification of content that is part of the Congressional Record and part of the Executive Branch's records is one such example. What is there to say about such odd situations being possible? Only that the Founders willfully chose to form a tangled web of a government that, when its branches collaborate, is very powerful and effective and that when they don't, is all but impotent.


Note:

1. Though Congress can pass such laws, it has no enforcement capacity, so its sole avenue of recourse, were the law not enforced/heeded, is to bring the matter before the SCOTUS and, if Congress be the prevailing claimant, rely on the Marshall of the U.S. Supreme Court to see the SCOTUS' ruling (which may or may not be the same thing as the terms of the law that gave rise to the case) carried out. (The Marshall of the U.S. Supreme Court's authority is strictly limited to enforcement of the SCOTUS' rulings (aka orders), one such ruling being the issuance of a bench warrant for the arrest of persons deemed/found in violation of Court rulings or deemed in contempt of court.)

 

[Care4all]

Republicans want this alleged damaging group of FISA memos released to the public, but Democrats are fighting hard to stop the release.

65 Republicans Lawmakers Are Trying To Force Release Of FISA Memos; Democrats Trying To Stop ⋆ WayneDupree.com

Yeah, sure....

65 Republican Lawmakers Call For ‘Immediate’ Release Of FISA Memo

Notably, no Republicans from the House Intelligence Committee signed on to the letter.

Democrats were largely silent on the memo given that so few have seen it. But California Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence panel, called the document “a profoundly misleading set of talking points drafted by Republican staff attacking the FBI and its handling of the investigation.”

Schiff voted against the memo’s release during a closed-door business meeting on Thursday.

Democrats claimed that the memo was put together unilaterally by Republican staff on the Intelligence Committee.

“Rife with factual inaccuracies and referencing highly classified materials that most of Republican Intelligence Committee members were forced to acknowledge they had never read, this is meant only to give Republican House members a distorted view of the FBI,” Schiff added.

Looks like Nunez, Gaetz, and Jordan are playing games with your heads....once AGAIN!

And what the heck happened to Nunes RECUSING HIMSELF from this Russian investigation because of him being on the Trump transition team, and because he broke ethics rules by his meetng with the President on this and then coming out with his cloak and dagger, cryptic dog and pony show last year on this very issue?

 

[Care4all]

Fox news said last night that some republicans that read the memos were like Nunes and Jordan about it, but many Republicans said to Fox news reporters that the memos prove nothing and they warned that Jordan, Nunes and Gaetz better watch out with this hype they are putting out for partisan hackery, cuz when they are released they will show nothing out of the ordinary....and nothing illegal.

 

[JimBowie1958]

BINGO! they classified it, they can declassify it....

C4A, it doesnt work that way.

The classifications are given based on a criteria of things like sources, methodology, data sensitivity, etc.

Now they do often over-classify things, but that usually seems to be the case when a doc can cause harm in combination with other docs.

But if you really want to know what is going on in DC visit Russia Times.

The classifications are given based on a criteria of things like sources, methodology, data sensitivity, etc.

The reasons for classifying and declassifying documents are many and varied, and that's so regardless of whether it be documents Congress has classified or documents the Executive Branch have classified.

That said, and as I've noted before, Congress, due to Separation of Powers (SoP), is not subject to Executive Branch classification/declassification rules and procedures. Every document that is a part of the Congressional Record can, by Congress and only Congress, be classified or declassified as Congress sees fit to do.

What Congress cannot do, other than by passing express legislation requiring it [1], is declassify Executive Branch documents; however, where a copy/version of a given document is possessed by both Congress and the Executive Branch, Congress can declassify its copy of the document. Whether Members will see fit to do so is different matter, but that they can is not questioned.

Thoughtful readers rightly recognize that SoP can give rise to "bizarre" circumstances. The declassification of content that is part of the Congressional Record and part of the Executive Branch's records is one such example. What is there to say about such odd situations being possible? Only that the Founders willfully chose to form a tangled web of a government that, when its branches collaborate, is very powerful and effective and that when they don't, is all but impotent.


Note:

1. Though Congress can pass such laws, it has no enforcement capacity, so its sole avenue of recourse, were the law not enforced/heeded, is to bring the matter before the SCOTUS and, if Congress be the prevailing claimant, rely on the Marshall of the U.S. Supreme Court to see the SCOTUS' ruling (which may or may not be the same thing as the terms of the law that gave rise to the case) carried out. (The Marshall of the U.S. Supreme Court's authority is strictly limited to enforcement of the SCOTUS' rulings (aka orders), one such ruling being the issuance of a bench warrant for the arrest of persons deemed/found in violation of Court rulings or deemed in contempt of court.)

All true, but they still have to vote on it. And that allows Dems to block releasing it via declassification of it.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Fox news said last night that some republicans that read the memos were like Nunes and Jordan about it, but many Republicans said to Fox news reporters that the memos prove nothing and they warned that Jordan, Nunes and Gaetz better watch out with this hype they are putting out for partisan hackery, cuz when they are released they will show nothing out of the ordinary....and nothing illegal.

Senator King has absolutely no reason to hype this kind of crap and he wants it released now as well.

For the record, it is a memo written by Nunez that summarizes the coordinated FISA activity that did reverse monitoring of the Trump campaign.

So it is vulnerable to a partisan spin anyway, but the facts contained in it are what the Democrats so fear.

 

[Care4all]

Fox news said last night that some republicans that read the memos were like Nunes and Jordan about it, but many Republicans said to Fox news reporters that the memos prove nothing and they warned that Jordan, Nunes and Gaetz better watch out with this hype they are putting out for partisan hackery, cuz when they are released they will show nothing out of the ordinary....and nothing illegal.

Senator King has absolutely no reason to hype this kind of crap and he wants it released now as well.

For the record, it is a memo written by Nunez that summarizes the coordinated FISA activity that did reverse monitoring of the Trump campaign.

So it is vulnerable to a partisan spin anyway, but the facts contained in it are what the Democrats so fear.

No Democrat fears it, they have not even read it....the only one in the articles from the right wing source in the op said that read it was Adam Schiff, and I posted his comments, and also NO ONE AT ALL THAT is Republican on the intelligence committee agreed to releasing Nunes's memo's....

If Angus King wants it released, which I have not read anywhere as of yet, then it would merely be to correct the record for the bull crap republicans are manufacturing like Jordan, Nunes and the crook Gaetz are spreading!

Nunes was already reprimanded for this...and also, it was already checked out the first time he claimed this and the answer that came back was:

THERE WAS NOTHING ILLEGALLY DONE.

 

[usmbguest5318]

BINGO! they classified it, they can declassify it....

C4A, it doesnt work that way.

The classifications are given based on a criteria of things like sources, methodology, data sensitivity, etc.

Now they do often over-classify things, but that usually seems to be the case when a doc can cause harm in combination with other docs.

But if you really want to know what is going on in DC visit Russia Times.

The classifications are given based on a criteria of things like sources, methodology, data sensitivity, etc.

The reasons for classifying and declassifying documents are many and varied, and that's so regardless of whether it be documents Congress has classified or documents the Executive Branch have classified.

That said, and as I've noted before, Congress, due to Separation of Powers (SoP), is not subject to Executive Branch classification/declassification rules and procedures. Every document that is a part of the Congressional Record can, by Congress and only Congress, be classified or declassified as Congress sees fit to do.

What Congress cannot do, other than by passing express legislation requiring it [1], is declassify Executive Branch documents; however, where a copy/version of a given document is possessed by both Congress and the Executive Branch, Congress can declassify its copy of the document. Whether Members will see fit to do so is different matter, but that they can is not questioned.

Thoughtful readers rightly recognize that SoP can give rise to "bizarre" circumstances. The declassification of content that is part of the Congressional Record and part of the Executive Branch's records is one such example. What is there to say about such odd situations being possible? Only that the Founders willfully chose to form a tangled web of a government that, when its branches collaborate, is very powerful and effective and that when they don't, is all but impotent.


Note:

1. Though Congress can pass such laws, it has no enforcement capacity, so its sole avenue of recourse, were the law not enforced/heeded, is to bring the matter before the SCOTUS and, if Congress be the prevailing claimant, rely on the Marshall of the U.S. Supreme Court to see the SCOTUS' ruling (which may or may not be the same thing as the terms of the law that gave rise to the case) carried out. (The Marshall of the U.S. Supreme Court's authority is strictly limited to enforcement of the SCOTUS' rulings (aka orders), one such ruling being the issuance of a bench warrant for the arrest of persons deemed/found in violation of Court rulings or deemed in contempt of court.)

All true, but they still have to vote on it. And that allows Dems to block releasing it via declassification of it.

• CDZ - Congress' job is to pass a budget -- appropriations and continuing resolutions

 

[usmbguest5318]

BINGO! they classified it, they can declassify it....

C4A, it doesnt work that way.

The classifications are given based on a criteria of things like sources, methodology, data sensitivity, etc.

Now they do often over-classify things, but that usually seems to be the case when a doc can cause harm in combination with other docs.

But if you really want to know what is going on in DC visit Russia Times.

The classifications are given based on a criteria of things like sources, methodology, data sensitivity, etc.

The reasons for classifying and declassifying documents are many and varied, and that's so regardless of whether it be documents Congress has classified or documents the Executive Branch have classified.

That said, and as I've noted before, Congress, due to Separation of Powers (SoP), is not subject to Executive Branch classification/declassification rules and procedures. Every document that is a part of the Congressional Record can, by Congress and only Congress, be classified or declassified as Congress sees fit to do.

What Congress cannot do, other than by passing express legislation requiring it [1], is declassify Executive Branch documents; however, where a copy/version of a given document is possessed by both Congress and the Executive Branch, Congress can declassify its copy of the document. Whether Members will see fit to do so is different matter, but that they can is not questioned.

Thoughtful readers rightly recognize that SoP can give rise to "bizarre" circumstances. The declassification of content that is part of the Congressional Record and part of the Executive Branch's records is one such example. What is there to say about such odd situations being possible? Only that the Founders willfully chose to form a tangled web of a government that, when its branches collaborate, is very powerful and effective and that when they don't, is all but impotent.


Note:

1. Though Congress can pass such laws, it has no enforcement capacity, so its sole avenue of recourse, were the law not enforced/heeded, is to bring the matter before the SCOTUS and, if Congress be the prevailing claimant, rely on the Marshall of the U.S. Supreme Court to see the SCOTUS' ruling (which may or may not be the same thing as the terms of the law that gave rise to the case) carried out. (The Marshall of the U.S. Supreme Court's authority is strictly limited to enforcement of the SCOTUS' rulings (aka orders), one such ruling being the issuance of a bench warrant for the arrest of persons deemed/found in violation of Court rulings or deemed in contempt of court.)

All true, but they still have to vote on it. And that allows Dems to block releasing it via declassification of it.

All true, but they still have to vote on it.

I bid you to collaborate with the other member who claimed that is so.

Please share us the House rule on how classified House documents are declassified, specifically the passage that says House Intel. Cmte. members must vote to declassify Congressional documents.

In addition to sharing with us what specific House rule requires a the House Intel Cmte. vote on declassification, please share with us the House rule stipulating that House Intel Cmte. declassification votes require more than a simple majority to pass any or all motions to declassify a document.

I have looked for Congressional rules/procedural documentation that indicates the declassification process for Congressional documents requires a vote of any sort. I have not found anything indicating that is the case. Perhaps by working together you will find it, and if you do, please share it with me. AFAIK, the only thing I'm aware of Congress voting on is legislation. [1] Everything else Congress does happens via a Congressional administrative action, and such actions need no vote.

For example, whether a piece of legislation makes it to the Senate floor for to be voted on is an administrative decision, one the Senate Majority Leader alone makes. The same is largely so in the House, though AFAIK the Speaker and House Majority Leader collaborate on whether a bill is even allowed to be voted on.


Note:

1. If a document is expressly classified in a piece of legislation, then, yes, just as a vote was required to classify the document, so too would one be needed to declassify it. That said, I'm not aware of Congress routinely (or ever) legislatively classifying a document, least of a memo a House member wrote.

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[JimBowie1958]

No Democrat fears it, they have not even read it...

You h ave your cause and effect reversed here, C4A.

 

[Manonthestreet]

And of course the public is too stupid to understand it so we cant release it ......
Intel Committee Ranking Dem Adam Schiff: “Can’t Release Memo Because American People Won’t Understand It”…

 

[DOTR]

And of course the public is too stupid to understand it so we cant release it ......
Intel Committee Ranking Dem Adam Schiff: “Can’t Release Memo Because American People Won’t Understand It”…

Which means they know we will understand it...and they will pay for that understanding in November.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I have looked for Congressional rules/procedural documentation that indicates the declassification process for Congressional documents requires a vote of any sort. I have not found anything indicating that is the case. Perhaps by working together you will find it, and if you do, please share it with me. AFAIK, the only thing I'm aware of Congress voting on is legislation. [1] Everything else Congress does happens via a Congressional administrative action, and such actions need no vote.

Oh, come on, Congress-critters vote on a lot more than legislation, most of the time they vote on procedural matters.

But in the case of their own committee reports and memos like this one, I recall reading in numerous places that the committees have ultimate authority on what classification their own memos and reports have. I dont know how much influence the larger party leadership has on these votes, but I think that they are pretty much strictly committee votes on such things as it is their baby so to speak.

this is the most recent doc I can find on the topic and it is from 2007, so things may have changed some.

But essentially documents from the executive branch, the executive branch has control of and only the appropriate offices, to include the President, may declassify information it shares with Congress.

Any Congressional reports/memos that contain classified information are also classified, but may be released in redacted form with the executive branch sensitive information removed.

https://www.archives.gov/files/declassification/pidb/meetings/06-22-07-carpenter.pdf

4: The Congressional Intelligence Committees The intelligence committees of the House and Senate have developed additional controls and procedures for handling classified records.
The rules of procedure of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence prescribe that the Staff Director of that committee maintain a registry of all classified documents in the possession of that office, that access to classified records to staff members be limited to those with the proper clearance and need-to-know, and that when making classified records available to a senator outside of the committee, that senator must be advised of the responsibility to protect those records, and that all such transmittals must be recorded by the Clerk of the Committee.25
The rules of procedure of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence also specify that the Director of Security and Registry of that Committee keep a numbered registry of, “…all classified documents provided to the Committee by the Executive branch that remain in the possession of the Committee,” and establish control over the dissemination of classified information outside the Committee.26
As part of the oversight role of the committees, the rules of both the House and Senate committees specify that each committee, “…may disclose publicly any information in its possession after a determination by the Select Committee that the public interest would be served by such disclosure.”27
In cases where the President objects to the disclosure of classified information, the rules of the committees specify procedures for referring the issue to a closed session of the full chamber followed by a yes or no vote with no open debate.....
Conclusion: The enabling legislation of the Public Interest Declassification Board states that one of the purposes of the board is, “To promote the fullest possible public access to a thorough, accurate, and reliable documentary record of significant United States national security decisions and significant United States national security activities in order to: (A), support the oversight and legislative functions of Congress; (B), support the policymaking role of the Executive branch; (C), respond to the interest of the public in national security matters; and (D), promote reliable historical analysis and new avenues of historical study in national security matters.”31...
While the Office of Senate Security currently has strong procedures in place for the control of classified records and the rules of the House and Senate intelligence committees call for registers of classified documents to be kept, for decades the classified records of Congress were not systematically controlled, and the House security office, while promising, is not yet fully operational.
Furthermore, according to the staff of the Center for Legislative Archives, the congressional committees who handle the most classified 11 national security information do not routinely transfer their most sensitive records to the physical custody of the Center for preservation, description, and eventual access.32
The Public Interest Declassification Board is an appropriate advocate for an effective declassification program for the classified records of Congress to ensure the proper safeguarding of classified national security information and to promote the fullest documentary record of American history.​

The reference to the full chamber I think refers to the House or Senate, but only if the Committees decision to release the information is challenged by the President. How the committee reaches said decision is something unique to each committee but I think most of them use a majority yes/no vote.

 

[JimBowie1958]

And of course the public is too stupid to understand it so we cant release it ......
Intel Committee Ranking Dem Adam Schiff: “Can’t Release Memo Because American People Won’t Understand It”…

Oh the Dems can be creative when they want to block things from happening, lol.

 

[Care4all]

No Democrat fears it, they have not even read it...

You h ave your cause and effect reversed here, C4A.

Nunes is a Trump hack....he planned this whole thing nearly a year ago with the whitehouse, and called all those press conferences.... don't you remember? Then he had to RECUSE himself from the investigation and he was accused of leaking classified information.... and was put under an Ethics Investigation....

the repubs in bed with trump called for an investigation in to the alleged unmasking, and came back saying after they investigated they found nothing illegal done with the unmasking to people who had the clearance and need to know...

this hoop dee dah, is just Nunes trying again...

tell me something....why is it all A OK that Nunes, who was heavily involved with the trump campaign transition team, who hates Hillary and loves trump, a person to believe on any of this?

He lied when he said he recused himself....

 

[JimBowie1958]

Nunes is a Trump hack.....

I think they are called 'Republicans'...