Debunking the Biden-Ukraine conspiracy theory

[Godboy]

I suspect this has been beaten to death, but, of late, I still see a number on the right on this forum promulgating the lie that Biden's withholding of loan guarantees to Ukraine was an attempt to prevent the investigation of Burisma, given that Hunter Biden was on the board.

At issue is this video, (link below) which many on the right falsely believe supports this conspiracy theory. But, context is missing. However, even without the context, there is nothing in the video that supports the claim.

I've seen that video a number of times. There is ZERO evidence the video proves that objective had anything to do with Biden attempting to thwart investigation into Burisma. In fact, the evidence proves the OPPOSITE.

Here are the multiple sourced FACTS.

GOP senator says he doesn’t remember signing 2016 letter urging ‘reform’ of Ukraine prosecutor’s office

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) told reporters Thursday he did not recall signing a letter urging reforms in the office of the Ukrainian prosecutor President Trump has alleged former Vice President Joe B…

thehill.com

““The United States, the European Union, the I.M.F., and Ukraine’s leading reform figures were all pressing for Viktor Shokin to be removed from office because he was one of the biggest obstacles to fighting corruption in the entire country. This was a bipartisan goal in Congress as well.”

The withholding of loan guarantees spoken of by Biden in that video was the incentive to get the Poroshenko/Ukrainian Parliament to fire Shokin, the corrupt Ukraine prosecutor, which was the foreign policy of the United States, and the International Monetary Fund with the approval of Democrat and Senate Republicans, at that time.

Why? Because Obama was wary of providing military support to Ukraine, at the time, given the massive corruption in the Country, and SHOKIN was NOT doing his job to fight corruption and naturally Obama didn't want taxpayer funds misappropriated in a corrupt country.

That is precisely the OPPOSITE of the claim.

What, do you (who believe the conspiracy theory) think a man with 30 years in the Senate would be stupid enough to admit to a federal crime on television? If you do, you are unaware of the facts and haven't thought it through.

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden–Ukraine_conspiracy_theory

The conspiracy theory alleges that then-Vice President Biden withheld loan guarantees to pressure Ukraine into firing a prosecutor to prevent a corruption investigation into Burisma and to protect his son. The United States did withhold government aid to pressure Ukraine into removing the prosecutor, in accord with the official and bipartisan policy of the federal government of the United States. The US government, along with the European Union, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, believed the prosecutor to be corrupt and ineffective and too lenient in investigating companies and oligarchs, including Burisma and its owner. A January 2018 video shows Biden taking credit for withholding the loan guarantees to have the prosecutor fired, acting to implement bipartisan US policy rather than for the reasons the conspiracy theory alleges.

The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story

www.independent.co.uk

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story


Republicans wanted Shokin removed, as well:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/23/gops-hunter-biden-report-doesnt-back-up-trumps-actual-conspiracy-theory-or-anything-close-it/

(Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/gop-senators-echoed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html

The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story

www.independent.co.uk

Wayback Machine

web.archive.org

Factchecking right wing lies

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/30/fact-checking-first-trump-biden-presidential-debate/

(Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)

TIMELINE -Key dates in the U.S. political controversy over Ukraine

Some Democrats are calling for the impeachment of U.S. President Donald Trump over reports that he asked his Ukrainian counterpart to launch an investigation that could damage his Democratic political rival Joe Biden.

www.reuters.com

April 21, 2014: Biden, then vice president, visited Ukraine’s capital, Kiev, in a show of support for the country’s government amid rising tensions with Russia.

May 13, 2014: Burisma Group, a private company that has drilled for natural gas in Ukraine since 2002, announced that Hunter Biden would be joining its board. Around that time, Burisma’s founder, a former government official named Mykola Zlochevsky, was under investigation for alleged money laundering by Britain’s Serious Fraud Office.

Dec. 8, 2015: Biden visited Kiev again and spoke out against bureaucratic corruption that he said was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Biden threatened to withhold loan guarantees unless Ukraine’s top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who had been widely accused of corruption, was removed.

Shokin had investigated Burisma but the probe was dormant at the time Biden pushed for the prosecutor’s termination, Bloomberg reported earlier this year, citing a former Ukrainian official.

March 29, 2016: The Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove Shokin.

Jan. 23, 2018: Biden, at a Council on Foreign Relations event, detailed how he had threatened to withhold funds from Ukraine if Shokin was not removed.

April 2019: Hunter Biden’s term as a Burisma board member expired and he stepped down from the company.

May 16, 2019: Bloomberg quotes Ukraine’s current top prosecutor as saying he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden or his father.

We have Hunters laptop (no, im not going to list all the different shit we found in there), we have thousands of shady money transfers which were triggered 150+ "SAR's" by the banks who said it was "money laundering", we have the lies that Joe was caught telling us about never meeting or discussing anything with Hunters partners, we have Joe admitting on live tv that he wouldnt give a Ukraine billion in aid unless they had that prosecutor fired who was investigating Burisma (because he is senile and forgot that he had committed a crime), then we have the partners themselves, starting with Tony Bobulinski who confirmed Joe is "The Big Guy", we have a source at Burisma who says Joe was being bribed by someone whom admitted to personally bribing Joe, and now we have the latest and most devastating news that Devon Archer (Hunters main partner in all this) is in talks with Comer and is about to testify in Congress.

Most glaringly, no one in the Biden family has said a fucking peep about how they earned 20-30 million dollars. If it was legit, why wouldnt they just say "here you go! Here is the evidence that we sold these widgets to earn that money"? Not a fucking peep, despite the embarrassment of being called a criminal on the world stage. No innocent person would do that. No innocent person would laugh when reporters ask questions about being bribed. Innocent people are outraged when they are falsely accused and they aggressively push back on the allegation.

 

[bripat9643]

We have Hunters laptop (no, im not going to list all the different shit we found in there), we have thousands of shady money transfers which were triggered 150+ "SAR's" by the banks who said it was "money laundering", we have the lies that Joe was caught telling us about never meeting or discussing anything with Hunters partners, we have Joe admitting on live tv that he wouldnt give a Ukraine billion in aid unless they had that prosecutor fired who was investigating Burisma (because he is senile and forgot that he had committed a crime), then we have the partners themselves, starting with Tony Bobulinski who confirmed Joe is "The Big Guy", we have a source at Burisma who says Joe was being bribed by someone whom admitted to personally bribing Joe, and now we have the latest and most devastating news that Devon Archer (Hunters main partner in all this) is in talks with Comer and is about to testify in Congress.

Most glaringly, no one in the Biden family has said a fucking peep about how they earned 20-30 million dollars. If it was legit, why wouldnt they just say "here you go! Here is the evidence that we sold these widgets to earn that money"? Not a fucking peep, despite the embarrassment of being called a criminal on the world stage. No innocent person would do that. No innocent person would laugh when reporters ask questions about being bribed. Innocent people are outraged when they are falsely accused and they aggressively push back on the allegation.

The Bidens aren't embarrassed about being called criminals. They are proud to be the scum they are.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Biden's salary is commensurate with his bargaining position, namesake, and resume

Bidens SALARY has NOTHING to do with his corrupt activity.

Democrats sure are stupid

 

[bripat9643]

Only an imbecile would ignore the presented evidence and facts.

Only an imbecile would allege something without substantiation.

There is zero evidence Biden has committed any crimes of any real importance.

The evidence presented is that Biden is a criminal. There is a mountain of substantiation. You have to be suffering terminal brain damage to deny it.

Taking bribes from foreign governments is a crime, douchebag.

 

[bripat9643]

Incompetent rebuttal: juvenile retorts do not merit a proper response.

Nothing you post merits a substantive response. You're a scumbag idiot.

 

[Rumpole]

Bidens SALARY has NOTHING to do with his corrupt activity.

Please provide evidence of his 'corrupt activity'. You can hold that as an opinion, but if you claim it as fact, you'll need to substantiate it. Thank you.

Democrats sure are stupid

That's rich given that Republicans elected the most corrupt, vile, despicable, fraudulent, criminal, and supremely stupid man in history as President, one Donald J. Trump.

Evidence provided on request.

 

[Marener]

We have Hunters laptop (no, im not going to list all the different shit we found in there)

You can’t list anything you found in there.

we have thousands of shady money transfers which were triggered 150+ "SAR's" by the banks who said it was "money laundering"

No; banks didn’t call it money laundering. They’d have no idea. SARs don’t mean a crime occurred. They’re common. Millions are generated every year.

we have the lies that Joe was caught telling us about never meeting or discussing anything with Hunters partners

Hunter Biden and Devon Archer are longtime friends. Joe Biden meeting one of Hunter’s friends isn’t the same as meeting his business partners. Reframing it to seem suspicious is pretty lame.

partners, we have Joe admitting on live tv that he wouldnt give a Ukraine billion in aid unless they had that prosecutor fired who was investigating Burisma

The prosecutor wasn’t investigating Burisma. The prosecutor was corrupt and wasting US taxpayer money. Everyone wanted him fired.

, then we have the partners themselves, starting with Tony Bobulinski who confirmed Joe is "The Big Guy"

Occurred after Biden left office. Can’t really be corrupt if you have no office.

we have a source at Burisma who says Joe was being bribed by someone whom admitted to personally bribing Joe

You have a ghost.

Everything you have is either exaggerated, circumstantial, or unconfirmed.

You need real evidence.

 

[Rumpole]

We have Hunters laptop (no, im not going to list all the different shit we found in there), we have thousands of shady money transfers which were triggered 150+ "SAR's" by the banks who said it was "money laundering",

SARs are not evidence of wrongdoing, it says so right on the gov website.. The banks did not say it was money laundering. If you disagree, show me the quote.

we have the lies that Joe was caught telling us about never meeting or discussing anything with Hunters partners,

This is an example of an exaggerated narrative by the right to forward a right wing agenda. He could easily
have meant that he didn't know the details of his son's dealings, while having a cursory knowledge, given that
his son's dealings were public knowledge. Besides, even if the claim is true, it proves nothing and is not illegal.

we have Joe admitting on live tv that he wouldnt give a Ukraine billion in aid unless they had that prosecutor fired who was investigating Burisma

Debunked in the OP.

(because he is senile and forgot that he had committed a crime),

Pure speculative fantasy. No evidence of that whatsoever.

then we have the partners themselves, starting with Tony Bobulinski who confirmed Joe is "The Big Guy",

So?

we have a source at Burisma who says Joe was being bribed by someone whom admitted to personally bribing Joe,

Provide the link, please, so I know we are thinking of the same person.

and now we have the latest and most devastating news that Devon Archer (Hunters main partner in all this) is in talks with Comer and is about to testify in Congress.

Wonderful, let's see what the felon has to say.

Biden had no connection to the fraud scheme Archer was sentenced for Monday.

Most glaringly, no one in the Biden family has said a fucking peep about how they earned 20-30 million dollars. If it was legit, why wouldnt they just say "here you go! Here is the evidence that we sold these widgets to earn that money"? Not a fucking peep,

Joe Biden has got better things to do than to get into petty accusations from morons like Comer.

despite the embarrassment of being called a criminal on the world stage.

Only by idiots on the right.

No innocent person would do that. No innocent person would laugh when reporters ask questions about being bribed. Innocent people are outraged when they are falsely accused and they aggressively push back on the allegation.

Mindless hyperpartisan drivel. We've got tapes of Trump being excessively rude to reporters, but, unlike Biden , Trump has been indicted. The fact is, y'all are desperately trying any trick you can think of to deflect attention away from Trump's indictments and voluminous scandals.

 

[AntonToo]

Only an imbecile would believe Biden wasn't trying to protect his son's criminal behavior.

Moron, what "criminal behavior"??? Burisma case matter predated Biden's son joining that company by two years.

Even Shokin said that Hunter wasn't a target of this investigation.

 

[Godboy]

You can’t list anything you found in there.

No; banks didn’t call it money laundering. They’d have no idea. SARs don’t mean a crime occurred. They’re common. Millions are generated every year.

Hunter Biden and Devon Archer are longtime friends. Joe Biden meeting one of Hunter’s friends isn’t the same as meeting his business partners. Reframing it to seem suspicious is pretty lame.

The prosecutor wasn’t investigating Burisma. The prosecutor was corrupt and wasting US taxpayer money. Everyone wanted him fired.

Occurred after Biden left office. Can’t really be corrupt if you have no office.

You have a ghost.

Everything you have is either exaggerated, circumstantial, or unconfirmed.

You need real evidence.

Everything you just said was a lie. Literally every pargraph was a lie. If you arent interested in discussing the truth, what the fuck are you even doing here? That ^ shit is a waste of everyones time, including your own.

 

[bripat9643]

Moron, what "criminal behavior"??? Burisma case matter predated Biden's son joining that company by two years.

Even Shokin said that Hunter wasn't a target of this investigation.

Taking bribes from a foreign government is a crime, you fucking moron. Biden was VP when he accepted the bribe payments.

Your claim about Shokin is a thoroughly debunked lie.

 

[Leo123]

I suspect this has been beaten to death, but, of late, I still see a number on the right on this forum promulgating the lie that Biden's withholding of loan guarantees to Ukraine was an attempt to prevent the investigation of Burisma, given that Hunter Biden was on the board.

At issue is this video, (link below) which many on the right falsely believe supports this conspiracy theory. But, context is missing. However, even without the context, there is nothing in the video that supports the claim.

I've seen that video a number of times. There is ZERO evidence the video proves that objective had anything to do with Biden attempting to thwart investigation into Burisma. In fact, the evidence proves the OPPOSITE.

Here are the multiple sourced FACTS.

GOP senator says he doesn’t remember signing 2016 letter urging ‘reform’ of Ukraine prosecutor’s office

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) told reporters Thursday he did not recall signing a letter urging reforms in the office of the Ukrainian prosecutor President Trump has alleged former Vice President Joe B…

thehill.com

““The United States, the European Union, the I.M.F., and Ukraine’s leading reform figures were all pressing for Viktor Shokin to be removed from office because he was one of the biggest obstacles to fighting corruption in the entire country. This was a bipartisan goal in Congress as well.”

The withholding of loan guarantees spoken of by Biden in that video was the incentive to get the Poroshenko/Ukrainian Parliament to fire Shokin, the corrupt Ukraine prosecutor, which was the foreign policy of the United States, and the International Monetary Fund with the approval of Democrat and Senate Republicans, at that time.

Why? Because Obama was wary of providing military support to Ukraine, at the time, given the massive corruption in the Country, and SHOKIN was NOT doing his job to fight corruption and naturally Obama didn't want taxpayer funds misappropriated in a corrupt country.

That is precisely the OPPOSITE of the claim.

What, do you (who believe the conspiracy theory) think a man with 30 years in the Senate would be stupid enough to admit to a federal crime on television? If you do, you are unaware of the facts and haven't thought it through.

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden–Ukraine_conspiracy_theory

The conspiracy theory alleges that then-Vice President Biden withheld loan guarantees to pressure Ukraine into firing a prosecutor to prevent a corruption investigation into Burisma and to protect his son. The United States did withhold government aid to pressure Ukraine into removing the prosecutor, in accord with the official and bipartisan policy of the federal government of the United States. The US government, along with the European Union, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, believed the prosecutor to be corrupt and ineffective and too lenient in investigating companies and oligarchs, including Burisma and its owner. A January 2018 video shows Biden taking credit for withholding the loan guarantees to have the prosecutor fired, acting to implement bipartisan US policy rather than for the reasons the conspiracy theory alleges.

The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story

www.independent.co.uk

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story


Republicans wanted Shokin removed, as well:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/23/gops-hunter-biden-report-doesnt-back-up-trumps-actual-conspiracy-theory-or-anything-close-it/

(Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/gop-senators-echoed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html

The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story

www.independent.co.uk

Wayback Machine

web.archive.org

Factchecking right wing lies

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/30/fact-checking-first-trump-biden-presidential-debate/

(Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)

TIMELINE -Key dates in the U.S. political controversy over Ukraine

Some Democrats are calling for the impeachment of U.S. President Donald Trump over reports that he asked his Ukrainian counterpart to launch an investigation that could damage his Democratic political rival Joe Biden.

www.reuters.com

April 21, 2014: Biden, then vice president, visited Ukraine’s capital, Kiev, in a show of support for the country’s government amid rising tensions with Russia.

May 13, 2014: Burisma Group, a private company that has drilled for natural gas in Ukraine since 2002, announced that Hunter Biden would be joining its board. Around that time, Burisma’s founder, a former government official named Mykola Zlochevsky, was under investigation for alleged money laundering by Britain’s Serious Fraud Office.

Dec. 8, 2015: Biden visited Kiev again and spoke out against bureaucratic corruption that he said was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Biden threatened to withhold loan guarantees unless Ukraine’s top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who had been widely accused of corruption, was removed.

Shokin had investigated Burisma but the probe was dormant at the time Biden pushed for the prosecutor’s termination, Bloomberg reported earlier this year, citing a former Ukrainian official.

March 29, 2016: The Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove Shokin.

Jan. 23, 2018: Biden, at a Council on Foreign Relations event, detailed how he had threatened to withhold funds from Ukraine if Shokin was not removed.

April 2019: Hunter Biden’s term as a Burisma board member expired and he stepped down from the company.

May 16, 2019: Bloomberg quotes Ukraine’s current top prosecutor as saying he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden or his father.

Shokin was investigating corruption that's why he was going after Hunter. Of course, Joe couldn't let that happen so he use US influence to get him fired claiming HE (Shokin) was corrupt.

Hundreds of pages of never-released memos and documents — many from inside the American team helping Burisma to stave off its legal troubles — conflict with Biden’s narrative.


And they raise the troubling prospect that U.S. officials may have painted a false picture in Ukraine that helped ease Burisma’s legal troubles and stop prosecutors’ plans to interview Hunter Biden during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
In a newly sworn affidavit prepared for a European court, Shokin testified that when he was fired in March 2016, he was told the reason was that Biden was unhappy about the Burisma investigation. “The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors,” Shokin testified.
“On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company but I refused to close this investigation,” Shokin added.

Solomon: These once-secret memos cast doubt on Joe Biden’s Ukraine story

Hundreds of pages of never-released memos and documents – many from inside the American team helping Burisma to stave off its legal troubles – conflict with Joe Biden’s nar…

thehill.com

Shokin was obviously pressured to wind down his investigation of Burisma and, when he refused, Biden got him fired.

 

[Marener]

Everything you just said was a lie. Literally every pargraph was a lie. If you arent interested in discussing the truth, what the fuck are you even doing here? That ^ shit is a waste of everyones time, including your own.

You sound insecure. Are you worried I’m right?

One piece of proof. Bobulinsky started work with Hunter in 2017.

Who is Tony Bobulinski? His Fox News interview, in context

A former associate of Hunter Biden has televised his grievances about former Vice President Joe Biden, telling Fox News

www.politifact.com

Bobulinski said that, in 2017, Hunter Biden consulted with his father about forming a new venture with CEFC China Energy Co. to invest in real estate and technology in the U.S. Bobulinski was brought into the venture by James Gilliar, an English businessman who purportedly knew the Bidens through Rob Walker, a former Clinton administration official.

Bobulinski became a partner and CEO of the venture, which was named SinoHawk Holdings LLC. The company was incorporated in Delaware in May 2017.

 

[bripat9643]

You sound insecure. Are you worried I’m right?

One piece of proof. Bobulinsky started work with Hunter in 2017.

Who is Tony Bobulinski? His Fox News interview, in context

A former associate of Hunter Biden has televised his grievances about former Vice President Joe Biden, telling Fox News

www.politifact.com

Bobulinski said that, in 2017, Hunter Biden consulted with his father about forming a new venture with CEFC China Energy Co. to invest in real estate and technology in the U.S. Bobulinski was brought into the venture by James Gilliar, an English businessman who purportedly knew the Bidens through Rob Walker, a former Clinton administration official.

Bobulinski became a partner and CEO of the venture, which was named SinoHawk Holdings LLC. The company was incorporated in Delaware in May 2017.

So?

 

[AntonToo]

Taking bribes from a foreign government is a crime, you fucking moron.

Dumbass that had NOTHING to do with the Burisma case Shokin's office had. Shokin never investigated Hunter personally and said as much himself.

You understand nothing about anything.

 

[bripat9643]

Dumbass that had NOTHING to do with the Burisma case Shokin's office had. Shokin never investigated Hunter personally and said as much himself.

You understand nothing about anything.

It had everything to do with the Burisma case, you fucking dumbass. That's where Biden took a bribe for shutting down the investigation into the Biden crime syndicate. It's only been on the news about 1000 times.

 

[bripat9643]

Not if the employer is foreign to the employee.

Besides, it's not illegal, no matter how you slice it.

Would you turn down a high paying job because your father was famous, and the jo offered to you to sit on a board, and just give your opinion and vote on company policy?

getting paid millions because your father can pull strings in government is against the law, you fucking moron.

It's hard to believe anyone is sleazy enough to defend the Biden crime syndicate.

 

[AntonToo]

It had everything to do with the Burisma case, you fucking dumbass. That's where Biden took a bribe for shutting down the investigation into the Biden crime syndicate. It's only been on the news about 1000 times.

Idiot ,maybe you should get your stories straight.

First your story was that Joe Biden was saving his son from criminal investigation.

Now that I explained that Hunter was not under any criminal investigation by Shokin, you try to switch gears and baselessly claim that Biden took a bribe to get Shokin fired.


You really think one would notice how you make this shit up on the fly?

 

[bripat9643]

Dumbass that had NOTHING to do with the Burisma case Shokin's office had. Shokin never investigated Hunter personally and said as much himself.

You understand nothing about anything.

That's just another lie.

 

[bripat9643]

Idiot ,maybe you should get your stories straight.

First your story was that Joe Biden was saving his son from criminal investigation.

Now that I explained that you are full of shit you try to switch gears and claim that Biden did it because someone bribed him.

Your belief that both can't be true only shows what a pathetic dumbass you are.