DC Protests Draw 2 Million

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I don't have any official numbers and I know you don't either, so it's bizarre that you think you have claimed a fact. But, if that makes you feel better, I have no issue with your feeling good.
ONE MORE TIME - what is your point that there were BHO/Hilter signs? You're still dodging this question.

Until you are able to articulate something in reponse to my question, you haven't any point to make at all. Some had BHO/Hitler signs...so the fuck what? Dodge away...I'll keep calling out your lack of significant input.

I didn't MAKE any point - YOU did. The article you quoted said there were Hitler signs.
You chimed in you didn't see any Hitler signs.

carb posts that that since you were there, you would also know there wasn't two million.

Fox News, WSJ, and a number of other places have officially reported the number as not even being close.


Was this really a conversation so difficult for you to follow??

Hmmm. You go on and on about something that I've agreed to several times. But, I'll bold it so that maybe you can read it: There were some with BHO/Hitler signs.

Now, so the fuck what? What is your point other than to tell us a type of sign that was there? You brought that tidbit up.

So

the

fuck

what?

Er, no I didn't bring up the Hitler signs.

Maybe you should go back and read, missy.

 

[AllieBaba]

In this thread? Got a post number?

Here's the link.

Massive Anti-War Outpouring - CBS News

It's from this post: (Post 33)

http://www.usmessageboard.com/1510888-post33.html

"World wide".

Massive fail, no comparison.

"New York police wouldn't provide a crowd estimate, but the protesters stretched for 20 blocks along First Avenue and spilled west to Second Avenue, where police in riot gear and on horseback patrolled."

"In Baghdad, tens of thousands of Iraqis, many carrying Kalashnikov assault rifles, demonstrated to support leader Saddam Hussein and denounce the United States."

 

[Si modo]

Yeah, nope. That's not true at all.

Tea Party Protesters March on Washington - ABC News

One poster posted one set of unofficial numbers; you post another set of unofficial numbers; so your point is?

Do you seriously think the official number is going to cause Fox news to recapitulate and say OOPs, we were off by a factor of 20?

Are you hopelessly still sticking with what the Malkinites first suggested?

I have to wonder if you actually read in between your emoting. I haven't made any claims whatsover about the numbers except that it was a good turnout and that there are no official numbers published anywhere. I have little doubt that those who aren't so carried away with their emotions are quite aware of that as well.

What Fox or a blogger does is irrelevant to me with respect to the numbers. I go by official and confirmable reports. But the message of the protest is important. Now, trying to figure out what your point actually is has a new interest to me as well. I am fascinated by bizarre mysteries as all you have to do is make a relevant point, yet you still haven't.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

In this thread? Got a post number?

Here's the link.

Massive Anti-War Outpouring - CBS News

It's from this post: (Post 33)

http://www.usmessageboard.com/1510888-post33.html

"World wide".

Massive fail, no comparison.

Is reading the article too hard for you?

New York police wouldn't provide a crowd estimate, but the protesters stretched for 20 blocks along First Avenue and spilled west to Second Avenue, where police in riot gear and on horseback patrolled.

CBS News correspondent Jim Acosta says organizers claim the rally drew five hundred thousand people. There were certainly several hundred thousand, Acosta reports, carrying signs that read "no blood for oil" and "get the warheads out of D.C."

 

[AllieBaba]

I read the article. It in no way is indicative of a movement in any way comparable to the movement going on now.

 

[bodecea]

Looking at the pictures, that certainly is a diverse crowd at the event.

Please, don't judge the protesters by the color of their skin...

Um, since when does "diverse" only refer to one's skin color?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I read the article. It in no way is indicative of a movement in any way comparable to the movement going on now.

Half a million people in the streets of New York, millions more around the world... and it isn't comparable to 70,000 people in DC?

 

[bodecea]

i'm confused...why is Fox being lumped in saying that 2 million people were there...I checked their article and it said tens of thousands...

Well, I kept posting that their article said "tens of thousands" but to Eagleseven and others that translate to 2 million.

Alinsky indicates that you should care. However, when park polic comes out with an estimate, you can gloat or suck it up. Until then, cheap talk is all you have. It's all anyone has. Yet you focus on it. What a fucking tool.

I don't believe the Park Police come out with estimates anymore.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Why should I care if 2 million people came to the protest?

Just cause there's a whole lot of them doesn't make them any more correct. This is just political grandstanding - organized by PACs who want to disrupt the president's agenda. (And don't bother screaming "they did it first" - I still don't care).

I'm not claiming the protests are "astroturf". I'm not claiming that the protesters are paid to be there. I'm not venting moral outrage at the organizers. I'm stating facts - these protests have been organized by well connected and funded groups with the intended purpose of disrupting the President, nothing more or less. I speak from a position of knowledge - I've organized many of this same sort of protest, many times.(Not quite on the same scale, of course).

This is just grandstanding. Just like the protests during Bush's term about the war - Did it stop the war? Of course not. Will these protests make any difference? Of course not.

well Doc.....this is the first time agree with ya.....i have always believed that,for the most part,protesting does absolutely nothing,and sometimes even makes their own cause look bad,if say, violence erupts...like Chicago '69.....

Unless you count the demonstrations of the civil rights movement...or the Revolution. Or Ghandi's demonstrations.

Yeah, those demonstrations are sure useless.

i said "for the most part"Allie.....those and probably this one are in the "most part" category.....

 

[Oscar Wao]

Looking at the pictures, that certainly is a diverse crowd at the event.

Please, don't judge the protesters by the color of their skin...

Um, since when does "diverse" only refer to one's skin color?

I was gonna say...

There are these "Parties" occurring with lots of political views...seriously, guys, "diverse" doesn't mean race/ethnicity/skin color...

 

[Oscar Wao]

I read the article. It in no way is indicative of a movement in any way comparable to the movement going on now.

Half a million people in the streets of New York, millions more around the world... and it isn't comparable to 70,000 people in DC?

Uh...war policy affects more than just the country declaring the war and the country being fought against. Foreign policy and war policy...we sneeze, and the rest of the world gets a cold.

And I believe there were a lot more "Tea Parties" today as well, to add to the whatever number it was in DC.

 

[garyd]

The British news paper Daily mail is Christian? Hell they aren't even vaguely conservative. Average people have to work for a living, so even 250k of them is a hell of a lot. And of course the left always wildly exagerates the numbers of their paid rioters, and usually grossly underestimates anything the other side shows up with.

Oh and it only takes 10 hundred thousand to equal a million

 

[NYcarbineer]

Hmmm. I was there and I saw no 'hitler' sign. I'm wondering where this 'journalist' saw one? No proof.

But, we do have this from the opposition against the war:

So, we should write those Hitler-comparing anti-war protesters off as having no point?

Now, what's your point?

The crowd was not 2 million. Since you were there, you know that.

Oh. That's the point to claiming there were a few Hitler signs there? That somehow means the crowd crowd was not 2 million?

Okie doke.

Let me repeat:

60,000 to 70,000 people flooded Pennsylvania Ave, according to the Washington DC Fire Department."

Do you want it bigger the third time?

 

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Quick Impressions of the D.C. 9/12 Protest
Matt Welch | September 12, 2009, 6:38pm

I just came back from spending four-plus hours with the Don't-Tread-On-Me crowd at our nation's capitol. Expect a full Reason.tv report later, but my snap impressions:

* Big crowd. Do not believe any description that says "thousands." If there weren't at least a healthy six figures there, I will permanently revoke my head-counting license.

* Nineteen out of 20 signs were hand-made. My favorite was "Stop spending our tacos. I love tacos." The most popular were variations on "Don't tread on me," "You lie," complaints about Obama's "socialism," warnings about the 2010 elections, references to the deficit or big spending, critiques of Obamacare, and (especially) cracks about various czars (including not a few that equated czars with Soviet Communism). Godwin's Corollary was satisfied on multiple occasions, including "Hitler gave great speeches, too," "the Nazis did national health care first," and someone comparing Obama's 2009 with Hitler's 1939 (alas, we didn't get to ask him whether America was about to invade Poland). Michael Moynihan did have a nice chat about George Marshall with the fellow holding a sign saying "McCarthy was right." There was an "Obama bin lyin," "Feds = treason," "Birth certificate," and "Glen Beck for president." Greatly outnumbering such things were references to the constitution, taking our country back, and so forth.

* Chants on the march included "Shut down ACORN!" and "Boot Charlie Rangel!" and "Don't tread on me." There was not a single "Hey Hey/Ho Ho" in evidence. Songs included "Glory Hallelujah" and "My Country 'Tis of Thee." The most moving chant might have been when we walked past the Newseum, with its ginormous carving of the First Amendment on the side, and the crowd spontaneously said "Read that wall! Read that wall!"
Hit & Run > Quick Impressions of the D.C. 9/12 Protest - Reason Magazine

 

[Si modo]

I didn't MAKE any point - YOU did. The article you quoted said there were Hitler signs.
You chimed in you didn't see any Hitler signs.

carb posts that that since you were there, you would also know there wasn't two million.

Fox News, WSJ, and a number of other places have officially reported the number as not even being close.


Was this really a conversation so difficult for you to follow??

Hmmm. You go on and on about something that I've agreed to several times. But, I'll bold it so that maybe you can read it: There were some with BHO/Hitler signs.

Now, so the fuck what? What is your point other than to tell us a type of sign that was there? You brought that tidbit up.

So

the

fuck

what?

Er, no I didn't bring up the Hitler signs.

Maybe you should go back and read, missy.

Missy? Hmmm.

K....

"Other signs - reflecting the growing intensity of the health care debate - depicted President Barack Obama with the signature mustache of Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler. Many made reference to Obama as a socialist or communist, and another imposed his face on that of the villainous Joker from "Batman.""

Thousands in D.C. Protest Gov't Spending - CBS News

Now, if you want to be known as a bullshitter, that's fine. I actually pay attention.


Again, some had BHO/Hitler signs. So the fuck what?

Unless you make a point, it is clearly insignificant that you posted anything about a BHO/Hitler sign. So what?

 

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[theDoctorisIn]

I read the article. It in no way is indicative of a movement in any way comparable to the movement going on now.

Half a million people in the streets of New York, millions more around the world... and it isn't comparable to 70,000 people in DC?

Uh...war policy affects more than just the country declaring the war and the country being fought against. Foreign policy and war policy...we sneeze, and the rest of the world gets a cold.

And I believe there were a lot more "Tea Parties" today as well, to add to the whatever number it was in DC.

Of course it does. But the simple fact is that 500,000 people in NY is still a bigger protest than 70,000 people in DC, and it's rather disingenuous to say that the anti-war protests were just "a few fringers", while this protest today was somehow more legitimate.

 

[AllieBaba]

Lol. Those are nice ass numbers. One occasion, one event, one cause.

Compared to a GROWING and ORGANIZED movement against the current administration's policies. All of the policies. Not just one.

 

[Liability]

you sound like an illegal immigrant might sound, with brain damage.

Uh huh. Your commentary is ... zzzzzzz

No.

Really, your witty allusion to the Obamathon in Germany was a bit wooden and delivered in a plodding fashion, but still ... zzzzz.

portland is in oregon, not in germany.

Candidate Obama's famed speech in Germany, in which some folks suggested that the campaign had arranged for free beer to be served which explained the massive crowd, was not in Oregon, however.

See, Oregon is in the USA. Candidate Obama's Germany speech was given in -- Germany.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Lol. Those are nice ass numbers. One occasion, one event, one cause.

Compared to a GROWING and ORGANIZED movement against the current administration's policies. All of the policies. Not just one.

So, exactly where have you moved the goalposts to, since I've proved you wrong?

Have any evidence that this movement is growing? You don't think there's an organized movement against the Iraq war?