Darrell Issa and his "investigation" shennigans.

[Toddsterpatriot]

You admit that a poll worker asked the FOX thug to leave and you admit the FOX goon refused, but you pretend not to see and hear the part on the same video where the FOX thug points to the worker who the FOX thug admits called the police and the police asked FOX to leave. The FOX goon actually says it twice that the gentleman he pointed to called the police and after the second time he said the worker called the police, the FOX thug said police came and asked FOX to leave and he refused the police request. Fox was there and at 7 or 8 other black districts to suppress the black vote in a very key state and nobody, not even the police was going to stop them!

I gave you Counts' testimony regarding Hill's testimony, killing two birds with one link. you are just pissed at how the whole testimony nails GOP racist thug Hill in all his lies, not just about what Hill claimed Counts said. According to Counts he never saw Hill inside as I already posted and on page 15 Counts is shown a picture and at the end of the page he is asked about the WHITE girl on the cell phone behind the panthers, the girl we see on both the videos YOU posted.

Now if you recall, when the cops came in your second video and said to the panthers that they were blocking people from entering, the white girl on the cell phone can be heard saying to the cops that that was not true. And in the FOX interview with Hill I posted, the FOX thug said the panthers were there to intimidate white voters and Hill chimed in or anyone who wasn't voting their way, as if the panthers were mind-readers and could tell how blacks and whites would vote just looking at them. But there is the white girl in both your videos completely unintimidated by the panthers, unblocked from the doorway and defending the panthers to the police!!!

But none of that matters to you because having one's arms at one's sides and saying nothing is brandishing a weapon and making racially inflammatory statements.

You admit that a poll worker asked the FOX thug to leave and you admit the FOX goon refused

Fox goon? The guy dressed in the military uniform with the weapon in his hand?

The FOX thug who refused to leave when the police asked him to.

The gentleman in the uniform did not want to cause a scene that might suppress the vote, so he left when asked by the police even though he had the same right to be 10 feet from the entrance to the polling place as the FOX goon, since a baton is not considered a weapon in Pennsylvania unless it is an electrified stun baton. The FOX thug was there, as well as 7 or 8 other black districts in West Philadelphia by his own admission, for the sole purpose of suppressing the black vote in a key election state by shoving his mic and camera in the faces of people who are well known to prefer to vote in private.
That FOX goon!

I love the "suppress the vote" meme.
Such delicate little flowers afraid of a camera phone.
I'm surprised anyone votes with all those phones around?
Thug? With no baton in his hand? LOL!

 

[Liability]

You admit that a poll worker asked the FOX thug to leave and you admit the FOX goon refused

Fox goon? The guy dressed in the military uniform with the weapon in his hand?

The FOX thug who refused to leave when the police asked him to.

The gentleman in the uniform did not want to cause a scene that might suppress the vote, so he left when asked by the police even though he had the same right to be 10 feet from the entrance to the polling place as the FOX goon, since a baton is not considered a weapon in Pennsylvania unless it is an electrified stun baton. The FOX thug was there, as well as 7 or 8 other black districts in West Philadelphia by his own admission, for the sole purpose of suppressing the black vote in a key election state by shoving his mic and camera in the faces of people who are well known to prefer to vote in private.
That FOX goon!

I love the "suppress the vote" meme.
Such delicate little flowers afraid of a camera phone.
I'm surprised anyone votes with all those phones around?
Thug? With no baton in his hand? LOL!

LOL!

That phone was TERRIFYING!



edthesickdick is so stuck to his transparently dishonest position that he either can no longer recognize the drooling absurdity of the nonsense he is saying anymore OR he is so completely dishonest that he just doesn't care about his obvious lack of any credibility.

 

[Oldstyle]

You admit that a poll worker asked the FOX thug to leave and you admit the FOX goon refused, but you pretend not to see and hear the part on the same video where the FOX thug points to the worker who the FOX thug admits called the police and the police asked FOX to leave. The FOX goon actually says it twice that the gentleman he pointed to called the police and after the second time he said the worker called the police, the FOX thug said police came and asked FOX to leave and he refused the police request. Fox was there and at 7 or 8 other black districts to suppress the black vote in a very key state and nobody, not even the police was going to stop them!

I gave you Counts' testimony regarding Hill's testimony, killing two birds with one link. you are just pissed at how the whole testimony nails GOP racist thug Hill in all his lies, not just about what Hill claimed Counts said. According to Counts he never saw Hill inside as I already posted and on page 15 Counts is shown a picture and at the end of the page he is asked about the WHITE girl on the cell phone behind the panthers, the girl we see on both the videos YOU posted.

Now if you recall, when the cops came in your second video and said to the panthers that they were blocking people from entering, the white girl on the cell phone can be heard saying to the cops that that was not true. And in the FOX interview with Hill I posted, the FOX thug said the panthers were there to intimidate white voters and Hill chimed in or anyone who wasn't voting their way, as if the panthers were mind-readers and could tell how blacks and whites would vote just looking at them. But there is the white girl in both your videos completely unintimidated by the panthers, unblocked from the doorway and defending the panthers to the police!!!

But none of that matters to you because having one's arms at one's sides and saying nothing is brandishing a weapon and making racially inflammatory statements.

You admit that a poll worker asked the FOX thug to leave and you admit the FOX goon refused

Fox goon? The guy dressed in the military uniform with the weapon in his hand?

The FOX thug who refused to leave when the police asked him to.

The gentleman in the uniform did not want to cause a scene that might suppress the vote, so he left when asked by the police even though he had the same right to be 10 feet from the entrance to the polling place as the FOX goon, since a baton is not considered a weapon in Pennsylvania unless it is an electrified stun baton. The FOX thug was there, as well as 7 or 8 other black districts in West Philadelphia by his own admission, for the sole purpose of suppressing the black vote in a key election state by shoving his mic and camera in the faces of people who are well known to prefer to vote in private.
That FOX goon!

No, Ed...King Shabazz did not have the right to be standing 10 feet from the entrance to a polling station holding a nightstick and spouting racist rhetoric to poll watchers. That is a blatant violation of the 1965 Voters Rights Act. You can try and spin this anyway you like but you're still left with the video of King Shabazz and Jerry Jackson standing in front of the polling station dressed in para-military garb and brandishing a weapon. If the FOX reporter had brandished a weapon or shouted racist rhetoric then he also would have been guilty of violating voter intimidation law but he didn't do that. All he did was try to report on the men who DID.

 

[edthecynic]

First of allI don't believe any voters called the police on Fox News nor do I believe the police asked FOX to leave. I believe they were asked to leave by someone working at the polling place and that person was informed that FOX was within their rights to be where they were. The FOX reporter points out who the person was and it was not anyone in a uniform.

Secondly I asked you for Hill's testimony. You gave me Larry Count's testimony.

Most importantly...none of that MATTERS. Just the fact that King Shabazz and Jerry Jackson were standing out in front of a polling place dressed as they were, brandishing a night stick and making racially inflammatory statements to ANYONE is a violation of the Voter Rights Act. The rest of your points mean nothing.

You admit that a poll worker asked the FOX thug to leave and you admit the FOX goon refused, but you pretend not to see and hear the part on the same video where the FOX thug points to the worker who the FOX thug admits called the police and the police asked FOX to leave. The FOX goon actually says it twice that the gentleman he pointed to called the police and after the second time he said the worker called the police, the FOX thug said police came and asked FOX to leave and he refused the police request. Fox was there and at 7 or 8 other black districts to suppress the black vote in a very key state and nobody, not even the police was going to stop them!

I gave you Counts' testimony regarding Hill's testimony, killing two birds with one link. you are just pissed at how the whole testimony nails GOP racist thug Hill in all his lies, not just about what Hill claimed Counts said. According to Counts he never saw Hill inside as I already posted and on page 15 Counts is shown a picture and at the end of the page he is asked about the WHITE girl on the cell phone behind the panthers, the girl we see on both the videos YOU posted.

Now if you recall, when the cops came in your second video and said to the panthers that they were blocking people from entering, the white girl on the cell phone can be heard saying to the cops that that was not true. And in the FOX interview with Hill I posted, the FOX thug said the panthers were there to intimidate white voters and Hill chimed in or anyone who wasn't voting their way, as if the panthers were mind-readers and could tell how blacks and whites would vote just looking at them. But there is the white girl in both your videos completely unintimidated by the panthers, unblocked from the doorway and defending the panthers to the police!!!

But none of that matters to you because having one's arms at one's sides and saying nothing is brandishing a weapon and making racially inflammatory statements.

Where did the FOX "goon" say that the police asked FOX to leave? The FOX reporter specifically says that the police were there BEFORE FOX arrived but they were not there at that moment. He goes on to say that they had been at 7-8 other polling places in Philly that day and they hadn't seen police at any of them. Here's the video you tell me where the FOX reporter says the cops asked them to leave?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/media/188716-darrell-issa-and-his-investigation-shennigans-9.html

As for Mr. Count's testimony? Do you remember when I made the point that I wasn't surprised that a black man from that Philly neighborhood was reluctant to go on record against the New Black Panthers? Do you realize that Mr. Counts changed his testimony from what he originally told investigators? That his original testimony did in fact back up what was said by the Republican poll watchers? Are you aware that the Commission on Civil Rights investigative report into what occurred that day noted that Mr. Counts testimony differs substantially from what he originally said to what he testified to later and makes the point that the change in testimony was very likely because of a fear of reprisal from the Panthers involved? All Mr. Counts "latter" testimony proves is that a black man and his wife getting paid $200 each for the day to be Republican poll watchers (even though they were actually Democrats) were not going to put themselves at risk of reprisal and recanted their earlier statements. That isn't proof that Hill is a thug...that's proof that the Count's know only too well who the real thugs are and they weren't going to testify against them and then have to live in that neighborhood.

There's that perpetual CON$ervative dumb act when CON$ know they are caught lying.

I said the FOX thug admitted he was asked to leave by the police in the video YOU use to claim that Jackson is a liar when the FOX thug harassed Jackson. You have not posted that video for the very reason that the FOX goon admits the police asked him to leave. The video you linked back to in this thread was the FOX goon's interview with the GOP racist thug Hill. And you are correct the FOX goon laments that of the 7 or 8 black polling districts that he visited, this was the only one the GOP was able to drag the police into. Again your very selective CON$ervative hearing blocks out the FOX thug admitting he was asked to leave by the police and he refused, choosing instead to try to disrupt the vote at that black district as much as possible. You can see the FOX goon smugly saying that anyone who wants to vote at that polling place was "free to do so" with their FOX cameras there if they wanted to in the Hill interview video you linked back to.

Fox News Confronts Black Panther at Polls - YouTube

And the Counts' testimony I posted that you refer to was from the civil lawsuit in 2010 and it is the SAME as his testimony to the Bush appointed DoJ investigator J Christian Adams in Dec 2008 when the Bush DoJ dismissed the criminal case for lack of evidence that I already posted much earlier in this thread. Of course, to racists Counts being black must be lying BOTH times to protect the panthers!

 

[Katzndogz]

Prosecution of the black panther case wasn't dropped. Certainly not by Bush. They had already been found guilty because they refused to show up. Holder didn't merely drop the case, he eliminated it including the guilty verdict.

 

[edthecynic]

You admit that a poll worker asked the FOX thug to leave and you admit the FOX goon refused

Fox goon? The guy dressed in the military uniform with the weapon in his hand?

The FOX thug who refused to leave when the police asked him to.

The gentleman in the uniform did not want to cause a scene that might suppress the vote, so he left when asked by the police even though he had the same right to be 10 feet from the entrance to the polling place as the FOX goon, since a baton is not considered a weapon in Pennsylvania unless it is an electrified stun baton. The FOX thug was there, as well as 7 or 8 other black districts in West Philadelphia by his own admission, for the sole purpose of suppressing the black vote in a key election state by shoving his mic and camera in the faces of people who are well known to prefer to vote in private.
That FOX goon!

No, Ed...King Shabazz did not have the right to be standing 10 feet from the entrance to a polling station holding a nightstick and spouting racist rhetoric to poll watchers. That is a blatant violation of the 1965 Voters Rights Act. You can try and spin this anyway you like but you're still left with the video of King Shabazz and Jerry Jackson standing in front of the polling station dressed in para-military garb and brandishing a weapon. If the FOX reporter had brandished a weapon or shouted racist rhetoric then he also would have been guilty of violating voter intimidation law but he didn't do that. All he did was try to report on the men who DID.

Again you parrot the claims of a proven liar that with all the video and audio have not been confirmed. Video that proves GOP racist thug Hill was lying about the panthers blocking the door, brandishing a weapon, shouting racial rhetoric to whites, etc., remember the white girl on the cell phone defended the panthers when the police told them of the claim that Hill had made to them. So not only have you nothing to back up Hill's lies on video or audio, on the video you have an eye witness contradicting Hill's claims, but you STILL swallow your fellow racist's lies and parrot them here.

 

[Oldstyle]

Yet the Commission on Civil Rights report states that Mr. Counts testimony changed completely from what he first said to investigators. How do you explain that, Ed? Let's be honest here...Mr. Counts isn't naive. He and his wife have to live in that Philly neighborhood. The two of them took $400 to work as Republican poll watchers for that one day even though they themselves are Democrats. It was a way for them to make money. It wasn't a career. It wasn't even a real job. It was a nice one day pay check for an unemployed guy who undoubtedly needed the money. So then this whole Black Panther thing blows up in his face and HIS testimony is going to be used against the Obama Administration's handling of the case? Mr. Counts did what so many other people do across the country when put in the same position. He developed amnesia.

 

[Oldstyle]

"Again you parrot the claims of a proven liar that with all the video and audio have not been confirmed. Video that proves GOP racist thug Hill was lying about the panthers blocking the door, brandishing a weapon, shouting racial rhetoric to whites, etc., remember the white girl on the cell phone defended the panthers when the police told them of the claim that Hill had made to them. So not only have you nothing to back up Hill's lies on video or audio, on the video you have an eye witness contradicting Hill's claims, but you STILL swallow your fellow racist's lies and parrot them here."

Once again, Ed...what video evidence do you have that Mr. Hill didn't enter the polling place?

The video evidence we DO have quite clearly shows Mr. Shabazz and Mr. Jackson breaking the law.

 

[edthecynic]

Prosecution of the black panther case wasn't dropped. Certainly not by Bush. They had already been found guilty because they refused to show up. Holder didn't merely drop the case, he eliminated it including the guilty verdict.

The never-ending lies from the brainwashed CON$ervative drones just keep on coming.

The CRIMINAL complaint was, in fact, dismissed for a lack of evidence by the Bush DoJ. Not being satisfied with the dismissal, the racist GOP initiated a CIVIL LAWSUIT that the panthers refused to show up for. It was a completely different case!!!!!!!!! Then based on that no contest, the racist GOP petitioned the DoJ for an injunction against the entire panther party. That injunction request was dismissed for lack of evidence, not by Holder, but by Loretta King the head of the Civil Rights Division of the DoJ and her deputy Steven Rosenbaum. Nothing was done about the verdict in the civil lawsuit which still stands.

You should be very proud of your self as a CON$ervative, you did not get one thing right. A perfect CON$ervative record!

 

[Oldstyle]

The FOX thug who refused to leave when the police asked him to.

The gentleman in the uniform did not want to cause a scene that might suppress the vote, so he left when asked by the police even though he had the same right to be 10 feet from the entrance to the polling place as the FOX goon, since a baton is not considered a weapon in Pennsylvania unless it is an electrified stun baton. The FOX thug was there, as well as 7 or 8 other black districts in West Philadelphia by his own admission, for the sole purpose of suppressing the black vote in a key election state by shoving his mic and camera in the faces of people who are well known to prefer to vote in private.
That FOX goon!

No, Ed...King Shabazz did not have the right to be standing 10 feet from the entrance to a polling station holding a nightstick and spouting racist rhetoric to poll watchers. That is a blatant violation of the 1965 Voters Rights Act. You can try and spin this anyway you like but you're still left with the video of King Shabazz and Jerry Jackson standing in front of the polling station dressed in para-military garb and brandishing a weapon. If the FOX reporter had brandished a weapon or shouted racist rhetoric then he also would have been guilty of violating voter intimidation law but he didn't do that. All he did was try to report on the men who DID.

Again you parrot the claims of a proven liar that with all the video and audio have not been confirmed. Video that proves GOP racist thug Hill was lying about the panthers blocking the door, brandishing a weapon, shouting racial rhetoric to whites, etc., remember the white girl on the cell phone defended the panthers when the police told them of the claim that Hill had made to them. So not only have you nothing to back up Hill's lies on video or audio, on the video you have an eye witness contradicting Hill's claims, but you STILL swallow your fellow racist's lies and parrot them here.

Fine, Ed...tell me who that white woman is and show me what her sworn testimony is to what happened at the polling station that day. Also show me where she spoke to the police and defended the New Black Panthers. In the video I've seen she's talking to someone on her phone the entire time. As a matter of fact she's been standing out in front of that polling station for quite some time talking on her phone. So if you're going to use her as a witness FOR the New Black Panthers then identify her so we can all make an informed judgement as to her reliability.

 

[uscitizen]

I would guess the CON$ervative "logic" is, "who could be better than a worthless lying Republican thief to investigate corruption?"

One thing about partisan hacks they will ignore a lot about you if you say what they want to hear.

 

[Oldstyle]

Prosecution of the black panther case wasn't dropped. Certainly not by Bush. They had already been found guilty because they refused to show up. Holder didn't merely drop the case, he eliminated it including the guilty verdict.

The never-ending lies from the brainwashed CON$ervative drones just keep on coming.

The CRIMINAL complaint was, in fact, dismissed for a lack of evidence by the Bush DoJ. Not being satisfied with the dismissal, the racist GOP initiated a CIVIL LAWSUIT that the panthers refused to show up for. It was a completely different case!!!!!!!!! Then based on that no contest, the racist GOP petitioned the DoJ for an injunction against the entire panther party. That injunction request was dismissed for lack of evidence, not by Holder, but by Loretta King the head of the Civil Rights Division of the DoJ and her deputy Steven Rosenbaum. Nothing was done about the verdict in the civil lawsuit which still stands.

You should be very proud of your self as a CON$ervative, you did not get one thing right. A perfect CON$ervative record!

When you write a fictional account, Ed...you should identify it as such.

This is the report from the Civil Rights Commission on the investigation into the New Black Panther Party voter intimidation case.

http://www.usccr.gov/NBPH/USCCR_NBPP_report.pdf

 

[Sallow]

I would guess the CON$ervative "logic" is, "who could be better than a worthless lying Republican thief to investigate corruption?"

One thing about partisan hacks they will ignore a lot about you if you say what they want to hear.

So it seems.

The law and order crowd doesn't seem to be at all taken aback with Issa's past.

 

[Oldstyle]

There never was a criminal complaint that was dismissed. The Bush DOJ filed a civil complaint and six career DOJ lawyers worked on said complaint. That civil complaint was ignored by the New Black Panther Party and a judgement against the New Black Panther Party was made.

It was at this point that political appointees of the Obama Administration stepped in saying they wanted the case dropped. This action was taken by Loretta King and Steven Rosenbaum both Obama appointees. They did so over the strenuous objections of the six career DOJ lawyers who accused them of ignoring the concept of a color blind application of the law.

The DOJ trial attorney's assigned to this case appeal the decision and it is sent to the Appellate Section for review by Rosenbaum. The Appellate Section reviews the facts of the case and recommends going ahead with the cases against all four defendants. Two days after receiving this recommendation the Holder DOJ drops charges against everyone but Shabazz and reducing his injunctive to not being allowed to carry a weapon at a polling place...something that was already prohibited.

At this time the US Commission on Civil Rights issues subpoenas to the DOJ asking for information as to why the case was dropped. The Holder DOJ orders the attorney's working on the case not to respond to the subpoenas.

Thomas Perez testifies in front of the Commission defending the decision to drop the case...Perez's testimony so angers attorney Adams that he tenders his resignation from the DOJ.

Both attorneys Adams and Coates subsequently testified that Thomas Perez's testimony to the Commission was "inaccurate".

 

[edthecynic]

Yet the Commission on Civil Rights report states that Mr. Counts testimony changed completely from what he first said to investigators. How do you explain that, Ed? Let's be honest here...Mr. Counts isn't naive. He and his wife have to live in that Philly neighborhood. The two of them took $400 to work as Republican poll watchers for that one day even though they themselves are Democrats. It was a way for them to make money. It wasn't a career. It wasn't even a real job. It was a nice one day pay check for an unemployed guy who undoubtedly needed the money. So then this whole Black Panther thing blows up in his face and HIS testimony is going to be used against the Obama Administration's handling of the case? Mr. Counts did what so many other people do across the country when put in the same position. He developed amnesia.

Again you deliberately misrepresent the report proving YOU know your argument is too weak to stand on its own merits.

The report says Larry Counts' testimony differs from testimony that REPUBLICAN PARTY REPRESENTATIVES' said he said, which the report calls the "J Memo," and not from testimony Counts himself made to investigators. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!! Counts' testimony is the same to Bush DoJ investigator J Christian Adams in Dec 2008 as it was in Jan 2010 to David P Blackwood. Here is what the commission report you cite says about the J Memo:

18
Due to the Department’s failure to provide the underlying supporting documentation, the Commission has been unable to independently verify whether the representations as to the content of witness statements contained in the J Memo are accurate

 

[edthecynic]

There never was a criminal complaint that was dismissed. The Bush DOJ filed a civil complaint and six career DOJ lawyers worked on said complaint. That civil complaint was ignored by the New Black Panther Party and a judgement against the New Black Panther Party was made.

It was at this point that political appointees of the Obama Administration stepped in saying they wanted the case dropped. This action was taken by Loretta King and Steven Rosenbaum both Obama appointees. They did so over the strenuous objections of the six career DOJ lawyers who accused them of ignoring the concept of a color blind application of the law.

The DOJ trial attorney's assigned to this case appeal the decision and it is sent to the Appellate Section for review by Rosenbaum. The Appellate Section reviews the facts of the case and recommends going ahead with the cases against all four defendants. Two days after receiving this recommendation the Holder DOJ drops charges against everyone but Shabazz and reducing his injunctive to not being allowed to carry a weapon at a polling place...something that was already prohibited.

At this time the US Commission on Civil Rights issues subpoenas to the DOJ asking for information as to why the case was dropped. The Holder DOJ orders the attorney's working on the case not to respond to the subpoenas.

Thomas Perez testifies in front of the Commission defending the decision to drop the case...Perez's testimony so angers attorney Adams that he tenders his resignation from the DOJ.

Both attorneys Adams and Coates subsequently testified that Thomas Perez's testimony to the Commission was "inaccurate".

Oh BULLSHIT!

No Proof in New Black Panther Case: Official - CBS News

Earlier this month former Justice Department lawyer and Republican activist J. Christian Adams testified to the commission that senior officials in the department are not applying voting rights laws in a race-neutral way, by refusing to press charges against African Americans on these issues.

A recent Media Matters investigation has debunked charges that the Obama administration withdrew criminal charges against the Panthers (in fact, the Bush administration decided not to pursue criminal charges, with Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez testifying that the Bush Justice Department "determined that the facts did not constitute a prosecutable violation of the criminal statutes"

 

[Oldstyle]

Yet the Commission on Civil Rights report states that Mr. Counts testimony changed completely from what he first said to investigators. How do you explain that, Ed? Let's be honest here...Mr. Counts isn't naive. He and his wife have to live in that Philly neighborhood. The two of them took $400 to work as Republican poll watchers for that one day even though they themselves are Democrats. It was a way for them to make money. It wasn't a career. It wasn't even a real job. It was a nice one day pay check for an unemployed guy who undoubtedly needed the money. So then this whole Black Panther thing blows up in his face and HIS testimony is going to be used against the Obama Administration's handling of the case? Mr. Counts did what so many other people do across the country when put in the same position. He developed amnesia.

Again you deliberately misrepresent the report proving YOU know your argument is too weak to stand on its own merits.

The report says Larry Counts' testimony differs from testimony that REPUBLICAN PARTY REPRESENTATIVES' said he said, which the report calls the "J Memo," and not from testimony Counts himself made to investigators. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!! Counts' testimony is the same to Bush DoJ investigator J Christian Adams in Dec 2008 as it was in Jan 2010 to David P Blackwood. Here is what the commission report you cite says about the J Memo:

18
Due to the Department’s failure to provide the underlying supporting documentation, the Commission has been unable to independently verify whether the representations as to the content of witness statements contained in the J Memo are accurate

No, the Commission report states that Mr. Counts latter testimony differs substantially from the original testimony he gave and puts forth the idea that Mr. Counts may have been intimidated by the fact that he has to live in the same area that the New Black Panther Party operates. If you read Mr. Counts latter testimony he won't even admit that he talked with GOP representatives.

 

[Oldstyle]

There never was a criminal complaint that was dismissed. The Bush DOJ filed a civil complaint and six career DOJ lawyers worked on said complaint. That civil complaint was ignored by the New Black Panther Party and a judgement against the New Black Panther Party was made.

It was at this point that political appointees of the Obama Administration stepped in saying they wanted the case dropped. This action was taken by Loretta King and Steven Rosenbaum both Obama appointees. They did so over the strenuous objections of the six career DOJ lawyers who accused them of ignoring the concept of a color blind application of the law.

The DOJ trial attorney's assigned to this case appeal the decision and it is sent to the Appellate Section for review by Rosenbaum. The Appellate Section reviews the facts of the case and recommends going ahead with the cases against all four defendants. Two days after receiving this recommendation the Holder DOJ drops charges against everyone but Shabazz and reducing his injunctive to not being allowed to carry a weapon at a polling place...something that was already prohibited.

At this time the US Commission on Civil Rights issues subpoenas to the DOJ asking for information as to why the case was dropped. The Holder DOJ orders the attorney's working on the case not to respond to the subpoenas.

And spare me the "Media Matters" cite as "proof" of anything, Ed. If you need to go THERE then I think we both know your argument is already DOA.

Thomas Perez testifies in front of the Commission defending the decision to drop the case...Perez's testimony so angers attorney Adams that he tenders his resignation from the DOJ.

Both attorneys Adams and Coates subsequently testified that Thomas Perez's testimony to the Commission was "inaccurate".

Oh BULLSHIT!

No Proof in New Black Panther Case: Official - CBS News

Earlier this month former Justice Department lawyer and Republican activist J. Christian Adams testified to the commission that senior officials in the department are not applying voting rights laws in a race-neutral way, by refusing to press charges against African Americans on these issues.

A recent Media Matters investigation has debunked charges that the Obama administration withdrew criminal charges against the Panthers (in fact, the Bush administration decided not to pursue criminal charges, with Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez testifying that the Bush Justice Department "determined that the facts did not constitute a prosecutable violation of the criminal statutes"

And why is it we should believe Assistant Attorney General Perez? He's the man that both Adams and Coates accused of being "inaccurate" in his testimony.

Do you dispute the fact that the "career attorney's" at the DOJ who were working on the New Black Panther case were incensed at the decision by Obama political appointees at DOJ to drop charges? Do you deny the fact that those attorneys were ordered not to talk about the case by those same political appointees? Do you deny the fact that two of those attorneys felt so strongly about the injustice they saw that they resigned their jobs at the DOJ so that they COULD talk about what took place there? Do you deny the fact that Obama appointees to the DOJ stonewalled the investigation?

Oh, and Ed? If the best you can do to bolster your argument is a cite from "Media Matters" than it's obvious that you've got nothing.

 

[edthecynic]

Yet the Commission on Civil Rights report states that Mr. Counts testimony changed completely from what he first said to investigators. How do you explain that, Ed? Let's be honest here...Mr. Counts isn't naive. He and his wife have to live in that Philly neighborhood. The two of them took $400 to work as Republican poll watchers for that one day even though they themselves are Democrats. It was a way for them to make money. It wasn't a career. It wasn't even a real job. It was a nice one day pay check for an unemployed guy who undoubtedly needed the money. So then this whole Black Panther thing blows up in his face and HIS testimony is going to be used against the Obama Administration's handling of the case? Mr. Counts did what so many other people do across the country when put in the same position. He developed amnesia.

Again you deliberately misrepresent the report proving YOU know your argument is too weak to stand on its own merits.

The report says Larry Counts' testimony differs from testimony that REPUBLICAN PARTY REPRESENTATIVES' said he said, which the report calls the "J Memo," and not from testimony Counts himself made to investigators. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!! Counts' testimony is the same to Bush DoJ investigator J Christian Adams in Dec 2008 as it was in Jan 2010 to David P Blackwood. Here is what the commission report you cite says about the J Memo:

18
Due to the Department’s failure to provide the underlying supporting documentation, the Commission has been unable to independently verify whether the representations as to the content of witness statements contained in the J Memo are accurate

No, the Commission report states that Mr. Counts latter testimony differs substantially from the original testimony he gave and puts forth the idea that Mr. Counts may have been intimidated by the fact that he has to live in the same area that the New Black Panther Party operates. If you read Mr. Counts latter testimony he won't even admit that he talked with GOP representatives.

You CON$ just can't stop yourselves from lying even after I quote the very report you deliberately misrepresent. The testimony you lie about coming from Counts actually came from the GOP operatives and the report itself says their claims cannot be confirmed. Please post something that comes directly from Counts that he changed. You won't because it doesn't exist. You have nothing but lies from GOP operatives, so all you can do is accuse Counts of lying. You obviously know Counts is not lying because you keep trying to put the words of the lying GOP operatives in Counts' mouth, just as the racist GOP thug Hill keeps putting his words into the panther's mouths.

 

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Oh, and Ed? If the best you can do to bolster your argument is a cite from "Media Matters" than it's obvious that you've got nothing.

Got nothing about what? The New Black Panthers? There was nothing criminal about what they did. And when confronted by police..they left. End of story.

This thread is essentially about the absurdity of someone like Darrell Issa, a man with a very real criminal past, investigating corruption.

But somehow it's been derailed about the ridiculous kookery about the Black Panther Party.

It's amazing how detailed you guys get about this stuff yet dismiss almost without question, Issa's shady past.