Conservatives sold themselves two lies

[Mac1958]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
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[dblack]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
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So, the same sort of hubris that bit the Dems in the ass?

 

[Mac1958]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
.

So, the same sort of hubris that bit the Dems in the ass?

Life isn't either/or, one or the other, binary. Maybe there's another way.
.

 

[dblack]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
.

So, the same sort of hubris that bit the Dems in the ass?

Life isn't either/or, one or the other, binary. Maybe there's another way.
.

I'm not sure our political infrastructure is capable of producing it, but there has never been a better time for a party that actually seeks consensus, rather than a narrow majority, when formulating policy goals.

 

[Mac1958]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
.

So, the same sort of hubris that bit the Dems in the ass?

Life isn't either/or, one or the other, binary. Maybe there's another way.
.

I'm not sure our political infrastructure is capable of producing it, but there has never been a better time for a party that actually seeks consensus, rather than a narrow majority, when formulating policy goals.

Yup. We're in desperate need, but I don't see how we get from here to there.
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[dblack]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
.

So, the same sort of hubris that bit the Dems in the ass?

Life isn't either/or, one or the other, binary. Maybe there's another way.
.

I'm not sure our political infrastructure is capable of producing it, but there has never been a better time for a party that actually seeks consensus, rather than a narrow majority, when formulating policy goals.

Yup. We're in desperate need, but I don't see how we get from here to there.
.

I think changing the voting system is crucial. The Fair Vote initiative, or anything that mitigates the lesser-of-two-evils voting strategy, would help a lot.

 

[Mac1958]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
.

So, the same sort of hubris that bit the Dems in the ass?

Life isn't either/or, one or the other, binary. Maybe there's another way.
.

I'm not sure our political infrastructure is capable of producing it, but there has never been a better time for a party that actually seeks consensus, rather than a narrow majority, when formulating policy goals.

Yup. We're in desperate need, but I don't see how we get from here to there.
.

I think changing the voting system is crucial. The Fair Vote initiative, or anything that mitigates the lesser-of-two-evils voting strategy, would help a lot.

Well, I think we need to change the system so that the top priorities of our "leaders" are not (1) re-election, (2) fundraising and (3) polls.
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[dblack]

So, the same sort of hubris that bit the Dems in the ass?

Life isn't either/or, one or the other, binary. Maybe there's another way.
.

I'm not sure our political infrastructure is capable of producing it, but there has never been a better time for a party that actually seeks consensus, rather than a narrow majority, when formulating policy goals.

Yup. We're in desperate need, but I don't see how we get from here to there.
.

I think changing the voting system is crucial. The Fair Vote initiative, or anything that mitigates the lesser-of-two-evils voting strategy, would help a lot.

Well, I think we need to change the system so that the top priorities of our "leaders" are not (1) re-election, (2) fundraising and (3) polls.
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Have you looked at FairVote?

 

[Mac1958]

Life isn't either/or, one or the other, binary. Maybe there's another way.
.

I'm not sure our political infrastructure is capable of producing it, but there has never been a better time for a party that actually seeks consensus, rather than a narrow majority, when formulating policy goals.

Yup. We're in desperate need, but I don't see how we get from here to there.
.

I think changing the voting system is crucial. The Fair Vote initiative, or anything that mitigates the lesser-of-two-evils voting strategy, would help a lot.

Well, I think we need to change the system so that the top priorities of our "leaders" are not (1) re-election, (2) fundraising and (3) polls.
.

Have you looked at FairVote?

Thanks, interesting premise, I'll look more at it.

Bookmarked!
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[shockedcanadian]

I think without term limits for all in government, it is a tough climb.

 

[Mac1958]

I think without term limits for all in government, it is a tough climb.

And of course, the people who could make that happen are the people who want it the least.

 

[shockedcanadian]

We have the same problem in Canada. People with no discernible skill in the real work force making and over fist for decades, and worse, they are appointed! We have literally govt. officials raking in millions with massive pensions and they were simply appointed by their crony pals. They do little. Sit around and get free handouts, the old British system.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

A growing number of people are dumb fucks who believe the socialist lie?

 

[Mac1958]

That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

A growing number of people are dumb fucks who believe the socialist lie?

Is that really your best guess?
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[Penelope]

Life isn't either/or, one or the other, binary. Maybe there's another way.
.

I'm not sure our political infrastructure is capable of producing it, but there has never been a better time for a party that actually seeks consensus, rather than a narrow majority, when formulating policy goals.

Yup. We're in desperate need, but I don't see how we get from here to there.
.

I think changing the voting system is crucial. The Fair Vote initiative, or anything that mitigates the lesser-of-two-evils voting strategy, would help a lot.

Well, I think we need to change the system so that the top priorities of our "leaders" are not (1) re-election, (2) fundraising and (3) polls.
.

Have you looked at FairVote?

Wouldn't that just be like the pop vote? Just get rid of gerrymandering and the EC.

 

[dblack]

I think without term limits for all in government, it is a tough climb.

And of course, the people who could make that happen are the people who want it the least.

Term limits never made much sense to me. They're a bandaid at best. At worst, a hinderance. Think about. If our system was otherwise working correctly, and we have a rep we like, we should be able to keep them in office.

 

[dblack]

I'm not sure our political infrastructure is capable of producing it, but there has never been a better time for a party that actually seeks consensus, rather than a narrow majority, when formulating policy goals.

Yup. We're in desperate need, but I don't see how we get from here to there.
.

I think changing the voting system is crucial. The Fair Vote initiative, or anything that mitigates the lesser-of-two-evils voting strategy, would help a lot.

Well, I think we need to change the system so that the top priorities of our "leaders" are not (1) re-election, (2) fundraising and (3) polls.
.

Have you looked at FairVote?

Wouldn't that just be like the pop vote? Just get rid of gerrymandering and the EC.

No. Fair Vote is in favor of eliminating the EC (I actually disagree with them on that one point) and fighting gerrymandering, but their main goal is ranked-choice voting.

 

[Disir]

I think that people have a tendency to focus on whomever is in the oval office as the person solely responsible for every thing. That individual is the only one that actually has term limits.

We are going to survive Trump. He will leave at some point. People have got to start focusing on the Congress. They have to start demanding more from them.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Term limits never made much sense to me. They're a bandaid at best. At worst, a hinderance. Think about. If our system was otherwise working correctly, and we have a rep we like, we should be able to keep them in office.

That is the real issue.

Different regions vote in people they like. It is the other assholes from other regions that they want to go home.

This "union" is no longer working.

People in California and the Northeast U.S. hate free-market capitalism and want a European-style soft-tyranny socialist state.

We keep going back and forth because too many people believe the socialist bullshit.

We need to break up the union and start over. Let the commies do their goose-stepping, freedom hating in their own nation.

 

[tinydancer]

Hillary isn't President. That's a win and for most all that matters Mac.

She bitch from hell is not residing at 1600.