Conservatives sold themselves two lies

[Tehon]

Hillary isn't President. That's a win and for most all that matters Mac.

She bitch from hell is not residing at 1600.

Another lie conservatives convinced themselves of.

The difference between Clinton and Trump is none. Purely optics, buried beneath a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

The general drift toward open conflict with Russia has gone on unabated.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

How exactly should conservatives ‘prove themselves’ where Americans are willing to ‘follow’ them, ‘incrementally’ or otherwise?

The two lies conservatives allowed themselves to believe is the least of their problems.

Indeed, if anything conservatives have demonstrated that opposing their dogma is the appropriate course of action.

Blindly cutting taxes and engaging in deregulation is no guarantee of economic prosperity, in addition to being unwarranted, reckless, and irresponsible.

Conservatives’ propensity for militarism and interventionism in foreign affairs has proven to be an unmitigated disaster.

History has demonstrated time and again that conservatives are wrong with regard to their nativism, fear of change, and hostility toward immigration and social diversity.

And last – but certainly not least – the conservative social agenda, which seeks to violate citizens’ privacy rights, voting rights, due process rights, and equal protection rights with more government, bigger government inferring in Americans’ personal lives.

Whether at one fell swoop or by ‘incrementalism’ it makes no difference, the people are right to oppose the failed, wrongheaded political dogma that is conservativism.

 

[Correll]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

You don't get large change that people can notice in their lives, by small changes, THAT WE NEED TO PROVE OURSELVES.


Trump's immigration and trade policies, won't have an effect improving the lives of Americans if they just slow the rate of decline.


We need massive changes and improvements that people will notice, despite the lies of the vile media.

Second,

that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
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Agreed. A lot of republicans don't understand that a lot of people are not motivated by what is good for them personally or the nation as a whole.


Ethnic Nationalism, internally or across borders, is the major driver, and it does not care about the stock market, or unemployment.


See: pro-life democrats.

 

[Witchit]

I don’t know if this is even viable, but my thinking is bring our soldiers home, all of them. Retrain them, and put them to work guarding and patrolling our borders and rebuilding our infrastructure.

For me, that’s a good start in the right direction.

 

[tinydancer]

Hillary isn't President. That's a win and for most all that matters Mac.

She bitch from hell is not residing at 1600.

Another lie conservatives convinced themselves of.

The difference between Clinton and Trump is none. Purely optics, buried beneath a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

The general drift toward open conflict with Russia has gone on unabated.

I beg to differ. Why? Just one appointment made the difference for America. His name is Gorsuch.

re Russia Bolton will stop the idiotic sabre rattling by the Obama installed morons that keep clammering for.

Well with a hope and a prayer that will happen.

 

[Mac1958]

Hillary isn't President. That's a win and for most all that matters Mac. She bitch from hell is not residing at 1600.

The only semi-permanent thing the GOP is going to get from Trump's term is court appointments. Everything else can be reversed. Even a wall can be torn down, as we know.

Yes, the court appointments are big and will matter for a long time. But is that it? Is that enough for you?
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[Stormy Daniels]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
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Two? Methinks they sold themselves about 500 lies when they decided to fall in love with Donald Trump.

 

[Mac1958]

Two? Methinks they sold themselves about 500 lies when they decided to fall in love with Donald Trump.

That's a standard mistake made by partisans on both ends when they put too much faith in politicians.
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[Norman]

Term limits never made much sense to me. They're a bandaid at best. At worst, a hinderance. Think about. If our system was otherwise working correctly, and we have a rep we like, we should be able to keep them in office.

That is the real issue.

Different regions vote in people they like. It is the other assholes from other regions that they want to go home.

This "union" is no longer working.

People in California and the Northeast U.S. hate free-market capitalism and want a European-style soft-tyranny socialist state.

We keep going back and forth because too many people believe the socialist bullshit.

We need to break up the union and start over. Let the commies do their goose-stepping, freedom hating in their own nation.

You do understand though that a socialist state can not survive next to free market capitalism, because capitalism is vastly superior? All the productive people end up leaving and the parasites that voted in the socialists are in real trouble then, having no one but themselves to loot. Leftists are not happy to have their own society, they need capitalism annihilated from the face of earth. Leftism is not a live and let live type of ideology.

In soviet times they built a wall to keep the looted from escaping, but the problem is that other societies will end up so much richer that the whole system eventually crumbles as people realize they can't compete with the outside world.

 

[percysunshine]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
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The First Law of thermodynamics is; 'There is no such thing as a free lunch'. Progressive Democrats have to accept conservative Supreme Court Justices as the price for an unlimited spending budget.

The Second Law of thermodynamics is; 'Shit Happens'. So when Democrats impeach Trump, President Pence will probably appoint Ted Cruz as his Vice President.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

The First Law of thermodynamics is; 'There is no such thing as a free lunch'.

Actually the first law says that energy can be neither created nor destroyed, only transferred or converted. You must be confusing it with the first law of being a cafeteria lady.

The second law of theromodynamics says that a closed system always tends towards entropy. You seem to be talking about the second law of janitors.

 

[percysunshine]

The First Law of thermodynamics is; 'There is no such thing as a free lunch'.

Actually the first law says that energy can be neither created nor destroyed, only transferred or converted. You must be confusing it with the first law of being a cafeteria lady.

The second law of theromodynamics says that a closed system always tends towards entropy. You seem to be talking about the second law of janitors.

How much money did you pay the administrators to get that screen name?

 

[Stormy Daniels]

The First Law of thermodynamics is; 'There is no such thing as a free lunch'.

Actually the first law says that energy can be neither created nor destroyed, only transferred or converted. You must be confusing it with the first law of being a cafeteria lady.

The second law of theromodynamics says that a closed system always tends towards entropy. You seem to be talking about the second law of janitors.

How much money did you pay the administrators to get that screen name?

I don't pay, I get paid. But what does that have to do with the subject here?

 

[percysunshine]

The First Law of thermodynamics is; 'There is no such thing as a free lunch'.

Actually the first law says that energy can be neither created nor destroyed, only transferred or converted. You must be confusing it with the first law of being a cafeteria lady.

The second law of theromodynamics says that a closed system always tends towards entropy. You seem to be talking about the second law of janitors.

How much money did you pay the administrators to get that screen name?

I don't pay, I get paid. But what does that have to do with the subject here?

The second law allows for reversible processes.

 

[Coyote]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
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Much like the liberals with their social priorities. You need to take the time to convince people and grow support.

 

[Coyote]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
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So, the same sort of hubris that bit the Dems in the ass?

Life isn't either/or, one or the other, binary. Maybe there's another way.
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There is so much between extreme and the other that could be examined.

 

[Coyote]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

You don't get large change that people can notice in their lives, by small changes, THAT WE NEED TO PROVE OURSELVES.


Trump's immigration and trade policies, won't have an effect improving the lives of Americans if they just slow the rate of decline.


We need massive changes and improvements that people will notice, despite the lies of the vile media.

Second,

that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
.

Agreed. A lot of republicans don't understand that a lot of people are not motivated by what is good for them personally or the nation as a whole.


Ethnic Nationalism, internally or across borders, is the major driver, and it does not care about the stock market, or unemployment.


See: pro-life democrats.

Yes. You can successfully get large scale change through small steps. One example is same sex marriage, which grew in a state by state of popular acceptance until it reached a tipping point.

 

[Care4all]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
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So, the same sort of hubris that bit the Dems in the ass?

Life isn't either/or, one or the other, binary. Maybe there's another way.
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I'm not sure our political infrastructure is capable of producing it, but there has never been a better time for a party that actually seeks consensus, rather than a narrow majority, when formulating policy goals.

Yup. We're in desperate need, but I don't see how we get from here to there.
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baby steps, a baby step at a time, at this point....

I blame the 24/7 media, including internet and smart phone availability and alleged cable news stations and talk radio, and bloggers, and 15 minutes of fame wannabes....and the Russians amplifying our own hate...in part as well. ...all of the above, has so divided us that people on this board are actually siding with a thug, murdering, dictator like Putin,(which actually started on this board about 5 years ago, before Trump was in the picture) than what is in the best interest of their own country....

The term, Divide and Conquer,

ain't there for nothin'!

There is NO ONE in America that will benefit from this... only foreign Nations that hate us, covertly or openly, that want to move up a step in the world by weakening us and gaining more power..... will benefit from the hatred (we have developed through a form of persuasion or brainwashing repetitiveness....) towards each other....

It took at least 25 years, the last 5 at astronomical speed though, to hate each other's political party competitor, thus each other, as deeply as we do....

we could be brainwashed back in to liking each other again.... if some master mind wanted to take the initiative! ::

Otherwise, it could take 15 to 20 years to completely baby step back out of it.....

 

[Correll]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

You don't get large change that people can notice in their lives, by small changes, THAT WE NEED TO PROVE OURSELVES.


Trump's immigration and trade policies, won't have an effect improving the lives of Americans if they just slow the rate of decline.


We need massive changes and improvements that people will notice, despite the lies of the vile media.

Second,

that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
.

Agreed. A lot of republicans don't understand that a lot of people are not motivated by what is good for them personally or the nation as a whole.


Ethnic Nationalism, internally or across borders, is the major driver, and it does not care about the stock market, or unemployment.


See: pro-life democrats.

Yes. You can successfully get large scale change through small steps. One example is same sex marriage, which grew in a state by state of popular acceptance until it reached a tipping point.

We don't have that kind of time. The Left's use of Third World immigration to turn the US into a defacto, One Party, Third World shit hole is barreling at US like a freight train on crack.


We have to radically change people's perceptions with results, NOW, or we will be shut out of every having a chance to try again.

 

[Mac1958]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
.

Much like the liberals with their social priorities. You need to take the time to convince people and grow support.

Bingo, and that's exactly what I was thinking when I wrote the OP.

The Left has been patient and consistent, and that's why it will ultimately get its way.
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