Conservatives cheering for Russia's naked aggresion

[Kimura]

it's almost funny; you lecture on reality; and say the Cold War is over an that "idiots" never got the memo; then you use historical context to show how much things are still the same. i wonder of some of you ever bother to read what you post here

How are they the same? The Soviet Union, as a political entity, has been dissolved. It's sort of funny watching idiots like Kerry with his double standards, though.

"You just don't in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pre-text"

--- John Kerry

The USSR was just a politically correct term for the Russian empire as it existed under the communists.

Are you actually comparing Imperial Russia to the Soviet Union? You're right, those damn Czars and their Marxist-Leninist leanings!

 

[bedowin62]

"Commander in Chief" I was under the impression that some people here believed in personal responsibility.

simply hilarious coming from a nutjob who supports an inept President who is still blaming his own failures on bush

seriously is this stand-up?

We are discussing Bush so you bring up Obama for blaming Bush...

Don't forget to tip your waitress.

no leftard; i was simply noting the stupidity of the "personal responsibility" claim from left-wing nutjobs like you with no credibility in the matter


go cry

 

[bedowin62]

How are they the same? The Soviet Union, as a political entity, has been dissolved. It's sort of funny watching idiots like Kerry with his double standards, though.

"You just don't in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pre-text"

--- John Kerry

The USSR was just a politically correct term for the Russian empire as it existed under the communists.

Are you actually comparing Imperial Russia to the Soviet Union? You're right, those damn Czars and their Marxist-Leninist leanings!

they were both empires; so in the context of the latest russian aggresion leftard; hes more right than you are

dolt

 

[GreenBean]

Did The US Just Attack Russia’s Largest Oil Refinery?

Silly

Sillier

 

[bedowin62]

I can't wait for you to back that one up.
Sure. The Russians have a proven track record of trustworthyness. All they ever did was spread love.

Yeah, so Pravy Sektor (Right Sector) isn't an umbrella group for every ultra-nationalist and neo-Nazi faction in the country? The Russians have a right to ensure political stability in the Near Abroad. This is the same as the US ensuring there isn't chaos in Canada or Mexico. I'm not a fan of Putin, but he can annex Crimea if he chooses and all people can do is stomp their feet.

Essentially yeah.

When a country has nukes? They are on a whole other level. And when you have more than one?

Whooo boy.

you mean like Iran will soon have?


idiots and hypocrites

 

[Kimura]

I can't wait for you to back that one up.
Sure. The Russians have a proven track record of trustworthyness. All they ever did was spread love.

Yeah, so Pravy Sektor (Right Sector) isn't an umbrella group for every ultra-nationalist and neo-Nazi faction in the country?

What evidence do you have that Pravy Sektor is "an umbrella group for every ultra-nationalist and neo-Nazi faction in the country?" Even if it was, how does that give Putin permission to invade the country?

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I could go on and on. I haven't even posted news from Italian, Israeli, and other reliable sources. It's amazing how the anti-semites and fascists flock togther, though. Euromaiden is a fascist coup, supported by neoliberals and neoconservatives in the US and Europe.

[The Russians have a right to ensure political stability in the Near Abroad. This is the same as the US ensuring there isn't chaos in Canada or Mexico.

Utter horseshit. The Russians have no such right, and neither does the US. The idea that we could occupy Toronto or Tijuana because of some kind of political instability is beyond absurd. Talk about fascists, what could be more fascist than the idea you just enunciated?

Yes, they do, besides the fact they've had a naval base in Crimea since 1700 and 65% of the population is ethnically Russian. You can solve this problem with some books about the history of Eastern Europe from like 800AD - 1900AD. And some late fees. Start with Kievan-Rus.

[I'm not a fan of Putin, but he can annex Crimea if he chooses and all people can do is stomp their feet.

There's a lot we could do, but that doesn't mean we should do it.

LOL. Like what? The same way we sure made those dirty Russians pay after they went into Georgia. How dare they!

 

[Mustang]

Did The US Just Attack Russia’s Largest Oil Refinery?

Silly

Sillier

Has Obama ever claimed that he looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul?

 

[bedowin62]

Silly

Sillier

Has Obama ever claimed that he looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul?

MOMMY MOMMY!! bush looked stupid too! he said he could look into his soul!!


lmao!
i just love you leftardz! the best excuse you have for your failures is that Bush did this or that too

 

[Mustang]

Sillier

Has Obama ever claimed that he looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul?

MOMMY MOMMY!! bush looked stupid too! he said he could look into his soul!!


lmao!
i just love you leftardz! the best excuse you have for your failures is that Bush did this or that too

I merely asked a simple question.

Frankly, when I heard Bush say that years ago, I thought it must have been some kind of an audio manipulation, something like the equivalent of a photoshopped picture. I mean, surely NOBODY in a position of responsibility in the federal gov't, let alone the President of the USA, would ever believe, let alone say, something so profoundly naive. But I was as wrong about something as I had ever been before in my life. Bush was FAR more stupid than I could have ever imagined was possible. Consequently, years later, NOBODY should have been surprised that Bush made the fundamentally moronic decision to invade Iraq based on his gut feelings that he was some kind of WWII version of Churchill liberating France from Germany.

Now, you can criticize Obama all you want. Everyone knows that you'll criticize him no matter what just like everyone knows that you'll blame him for what Putin does even though Putin is doing what he's doing purely because he wants to rebuild an empire. Obama couldn't and can't stop it militarily. But I would bet you dollars to donuts that Obama didn't have such a ridiculously naive view of a former KGB agent like Bush did from day one.

 

[mudwhistle]

Silly

Sillier

Has Obama ever claimed that he looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul?

That's a dumb question.

He has said that he will be more "flexible" after he's reelected.

Flexible meaning flaccid or unable to respond.

 

[mudwhistle]

I prefer "walk softly and carry the biggest stick!"

 

[Camp]

YAWN
idiotic left-wing Monday morning quaterbacking and feel good stupidity.

i was on that first wave into Iraq; i didnt have the kind of IBA (individual body armor) they have now. that doesnt mean Republicans werent trying. it takes some gall for a left-wing nutjob to even talk about a Party tying this or that to a Defense authorization bill; seeing as dems tried to put AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS on at least two bills funding the Iraq War


idiots and hypocrites

Well, thank you for your service. You did an excellent and awsome job.

IBA was not thought to be necessary for the missions most were trained for and performed at the beginning of the war. It was known that the kinds of missions that followed would require IBA and armored vehicals. The administration did not prepare for what the war turned into. Rumsfield was lecturing the country that there was not an insurrection and the start of a long lasting war. He told the country the attacks being made were being made by "dead enders" and would be "mopped up" in short order. He was told this would happen and ignored the advice and predictions. He gambled and troops lost.

I'm quite sure efforts made by the previous administration to gut the military budget had nothing to do with it.

Temporary Early Retirement Authority (TERA), 1992-2001 (FY1993-FY2001)
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/IB85159.pdf

The FY1993 National Defense Authorization Act (Sec. 4403, P.L. 102-484) granted temporary authority (which expired on September 30, 2001) for the services to offer early retirements to personnel with more than 15 but less than 20 years of service. TERA was used as a manpower tool to entice voluntary retirements during the drawdown.TERA retired pay was calculated in the usual ways except that there is an additional reduction of one percent for every year of service below 20. Part or all of this latter reduction could be restored if the retiree worked in specified public service jobs (such as law enforcement, firefighting, and education) during the period immediately following retirement, until the point at which the retiree would have reached the 20-year mark if he or she had remained in the service.

Bill Clinton and the Decline of the Military
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/Bill Clinton and the Decline of the Military.html
By Lynn Woolley — Posted Dec 21, 2006

In 1994, troops were sent to Haiti, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Clinton asked for a Defense increase of just $2.8 billion but Congress approved a decrease of $17.1 billion. The shrinking budget caused sharp reductions at the Pentagon.

There were more peacekeeping missions to come, including in Somalia where 1,800 Marines provided cover for the withdrawal of UN peacekeepers. But the downsizing of the military continued with 40,000 troops removed from Europe. The Base Closure Commission recommended shuttering 79 more bases. Clinton’s budget request for fiscal 1996 was $10.2 billion lower than the prior year.

At this point, we are well into the Clinton presidency and the eleventh straight year of declining military budgets. The president and the Congress have slashed the defense budget to the point where, after adjusting for inflation, it is some 40% less than in 1985 during the second Reagan term.

The year 1996 saw cruise missile strikes against Iraq and 18,000 U.S. troops stationed in the Balkans as part of a NATO force. Clinton sent the U.S. aircraft carrier Independence and three other ships to the Taiwan Strait because of tensions between Taiwan and China. For 1997, Clinton sought another $10 billion reduction, though the bill he eventually signed set aside $244 billion for defense—finally halting the long string of declining budgets, but just barely.

Defense Secretary William Cohen had become concerned about his budget, and so he called for more base closings—and more money. The Joint Chiefs said that unless funding levels could be increased, some weapons systems or overseas deployments would have to be eliminated. In 1999, the budget was at $250 billion—the same year we were using our military to halt Slobodan Milosevic’s “ethnic cleansing” in Kosovo.

For fiscal 2000, Defense requested $267.2 billion billion, including a pay raise for soldiers. The USS Cole was bombed and peacekeeping efforts continued in the usual spots like Kosovo and Bosnia. Clinton’s presidency was winding down and his final Defense budget totaled $288 billion with a supplemental bill of $6.5 billon to help pay for all the peacekeeping.

After Bush was elected and the country had suffered the 9/11 attacks, former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger said Clinton had cut back the military so much that we might not be able to fight a war on terrorism on several fronts. He listed the problems brought on during the Clinton years: lost air and sea lift capacity, two or three years during which nothing was procured for the military, and cuts in R&D.

You are correct, the previous administation had absolutely nothing to do with the Bush administation ignoring the advice of the nations top military commanders and instead taking the advice of civilians under the direction of Rumsfield's neo-cons such as Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearl, Douglas Feith and other early proponents of the neo-con school of thought.

The US military began it's transition under Bush 41 with the fall of the USSR and the realization that the large infantry and armored divisions designed to fight a European war with conventional forces against the USSR and it's East European allies. He vacated them early and sent them home via Kuwait and Iraq. Clinton simply followed good and sound military advice and supported the transition which led to the creation of fewer, but better equiped and re-designed armored and infantry units and an increase in the number of special operations units.

Bush and Rumsfield inherited a military that was trained and equiped to conduct war in both Afghanistan and Irag. The special op's forces that defeated the Taliban and al Qaeda forces in record time with record low casualties did it's job exactly the way the military had planned. Those forces were not equiped and it's reinforcements of conventional ground forces were not provided in sufficient numbers to sustain the victory. Forces that should have been sent to the Afghan theater were instead sent to Iraq.

Assault forces used in Irag moved into operation with the highest level of technology any military force has ever been equiped with. Armored forces had multiple layers of air support that similiar forces of both the past and present could not imagine. From small scouts, gunships, A-10's, all manner of attack fighters and bombers loaded with every kind of ordinance imaginable. The intelligence supplied from satellites and drones added to the mix made the assault forces unbeatable and gave them, like in Afghanistan, a fast, sure victory with what was considered minimal casuaties. Unfortunately, the victory was short lived as the predicted promised cheering crowds and promised pro American folks in Irag turned into enemies as they invited al Qaeda to come to Irag and practice their American killing skills.

Rumsfield, the neo-cons were wrong and Bush listened to them instead of the military. The neo-cons and Rumsfield were wrong and the military advisors like Shinseski and Zinni were right.

 

[GreenBean]

Silly

Sillier

Has Obama ever claimed that he looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul?

President Obama is now prepared to order the immediate dismantling of the statue for shipment back to France in early 2014.

“As far as I’m concerned,” the president told a top aide, “they can take back the Eiffel Tower as well.” Informed that the Eiffel Tower was actually in Paris, he shot back, “Whatever. Do you take me for some kind of idiot? My job is to do the policy. Your job is to take care of the details without wasting my time.”

A Fond Farewell to Lady Liberty May be on the Horizon | The Liberty Digest

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama Ukrainian Strategy Session

 

[Mojo2]

Who would have thought one would see the day when the 'Conservatives' would be cheering for the naked aggression of Russia? It seems that if they think that it might in any way be a detriment to our President, they are for it. Even to the extent of cheering for the re-instatement of the old Russian and Soviet empire.

There is a name for this, and it is treason. To work against the interests of the United States and, indeed, the civilized world, is treason of the highest sort. These are the people that would have joined the Bund. An embarrassment to our nation, an embarrassment to humanity.

I have no problem endorsing your sentiments. NONE.

I do take exception with this part:

Who would have thought one would see the day when the 'Conservatives' would be cheering for the naked aggression of Russia?

Those individuals are not RINO"s they"d be COINO"s Conservative in name only!

 

[Katzndogz]

Sillier

Has Obama ever claimed that he looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul?

President Obama is now prepared to order the immediate dismantling of the statue for shipment back to France in early 2014.

“As far as I’m concerned,” the president told a top aide, “they can take back the Eiffel Tower as well.” Informed that the Eiffel Tower was actually in Paris, he shot back, “Whatever. Do you take me for some kind of idiot? My job is to do the policy. Your job is to take care of the details without wasting my time.”

A Fond Farewell to Lady Liberty May be on the Horizon | The Liberty Digest

Liberals will replace it with the Statue of Equality.

 

[Mojo2]

Silly

Sillier

Has Obama ever claimed that he looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul?

It was a harmless lie directed to a very exclusive audience (Putin himself) with little downside used as a tactic to keep Putin on his best behavior during the W administration.

W just chose to let you in on the ruse.

Only until AFTER Obama showed his stripes did Putin begin acting as though the U.S. doesn't matter.

The difference between Bush and Obama?

With Bush you are on the right side of the ruse.

With Obama the ruse is used AGAINST you.

 

[Iceweasel]

Yeah, so Pravy Sektor (Right Sector) isn't an umbrella group for every ultra-nationalist and neo-Nazi faction in the country? The Russians have a right to ensure political stability in the Near Abroad. This is the same as the US ensuring there isn't chaos in Canada or Mexico. I'm not a fan of Putin, but he can annex Crimea if he chooses and all people can do is stomp their feet.

If we invade Canada or Mexico you'd have a comparison. Did you find some evidence?

 

[Iceweasel]

I could go on and on. I haven't even posted news from Italian, Israeli, and other reliable sources. It's amazing how the anti-semites and fascists flock togther, though. Euromaiden is a fascist coup, supported by neoliberals and neoconservatives in the US and Europe.

Post the portion that makes your case. It's lazy and stupid to just throw links out like people are going to do you homework for you.

 

[Iceweasel]

Has Obama ever claimed that he looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul?

I doubt it. He doesn't have the balls to look him in the eyes.