Conservative SCOTUS Justices FAIL: Backdoor Legislating by Marriage Attrition

[Derideo_Te]

The ACLU needn't work too hard on that one. Polygamy is already legal in every single state where SCOTUS' conservative-four just allowed the marriage laws there to be declared "dead and unenforceable". The choice of the number of partners someone wants to have sex with and marry is a sexual orientation equal to any other. Ergo, polygamy is RIGHT NOW legal. Not at some nebulous point in the future.

Why do you spout such stupid lies?

Is it or is it not legal now in the states affected by the conservative Justices's "Attrition Decision" for gays to marry? If the answer is yes, then other sexual orientations may marry as well. Period. Marriage equality is marriage equality. A county clerk who turns away polygamists right now is in danger of a lawsuit for discrimination.

Your grasp of legal matters is tenuous at best and clueless is the term that springs to mind.

States still have the right to regulate marriage and that has not been overturned. States regulate the age as to when someone can enter into the legal contract of marriage and the number of participants in the contract. They also regulate the familial relationships between those entering into a marriage contract. None of these States Rights were impacted by the SCOTUS. In fact the SCOTUS was very careful NOT to do so when they rendered the DOMA decision.

So your ignorance is on display and your credibility is conspicuous by it's absence.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Redfish said: ↑

"your are wrong. every one of the gay rights activists have used discrimination as the basis for their arguments. For your info, the ACLU is already preparing cases on multiple person marriages. It will be brought to a court near you, I guarantee it."

Ignorant fear-mongering nonsense and demagoguery.

Three or more persons cannot 'marry' as no state has laws to accommodate such a configuration. In addition, all 50 states have bigamy laws, which prohibit marriage licenses from being issued to more than two persons. And bigamy laws are perfectly Constitutional because they are applied to everyone equally, no class of persons is singled out for exclusion, where the same is not true with regard to laws denying marriage to gay Americans.

Last, 'polygamy' is nothing more then 'living together,' which was illegal only in Utah until recently, and has nothing to do with marriage or recognizing the right of same-sex couples to marry in accordance with the 14th Amendment. 'Polygamy' is consequently an irrelevant red herring.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The ACLU needn't work too hard on that one. Polygamy is already legal in every single state where SCOTUS' conservative-four just allowed the marriage laws there to be declared "dead and unenforceable". The choice of the number of partners someone wants to have sex with and marry is a sexual orientation equal to any other. Ergo, polygamy is RIGHT NOW legal. Not at some nebulous point in the future.

Why do you spout such stupid lies?

Is it or is it not legal now in the states affected by the conservative Justices's "Attrition Decision" for gays to marry? If the answer is yes, then other sexual orientations may marry as well. Period. Marriage equality is marriage equality. A county clerk who turns away polygamists right now is in danger of a lawsuit for discrimination.

Your grasp of legal matters is tenuous at best and clueless is the term that springs to mind.

States still have the right to regulate marriage and that has not been overturned. States regulate the age as to when someone can enter into the legal contract of marriage and the number of participants in the contract. They also regulate the familial relationships between those entering into a marriage contract. None of these States Rights were impacted by the SCOTUS. In fact the SCOTUS was very careful NOT to do so when they rendered the DOMA decision.

So your ignorance is on display and your credibility is conspicuous by it's absence.

Correct.

In fact, the issue has nothing to do with 'states' rights' in any regard.

This is a 14th Amendment equal protection issue, compelling the states to allow American citizens to access laws they're eligible to participate in and benefit from, such as gay Americans accessing marriage laws. The many Federal court rulings invalidating measures denying same-sex couples their equal protection rights in no way adversely effects the rights of states or interferes with the relationship between the states and the National government in the context of the Federal system.

 

[GreenBean]

So you are saying your party threw your moral compass under the buss??

 

[Moonglow]

So you are saying your party threw your moral compass under the buss??

Takes one to know one, eh ghey boi?

 

[GreenBean]

So you are saying your party threw your moral compass under the buss??

Takes one to know one, eh ghey boi?

 

[Moonglow]

So you are saying your party threw your moral compass under the buss??

Takes one to know one, eh ghey boi?

Way too much ghey for me, you should focus on picking up PoliChic...she's rather dominant, but you ghey sissies like that....

 

[GreenBean]

So you are saying your party threw your moral compass under the buss??

Takes one to know one, eh ghey boi?

Way too much ghey for me, you should focus on picking up PoliChic...she's rather dominant, but you ghey sissies like that....

 

[Moonglow]

So you are saying your party threw your moral compass under the buss??

Takes one to know one, eh ghey boi?

Way too much ghey for me, you should focus on picking up PoliChic...she's rather dominant, but you ghey sissies like that....

Don't get pissed cause you got outed before your due date, march on...

 

[Syriusly]

And in the interest of "marriage equality", so then is polygamy and incest marriage. ?

No- just showing your ignorance of the law again.

Gay marriage is now legal in Utah.

Polygamy and incest is not.

If you would like to pursue legalizing either, then go ahead and file your own lawsuit in order to marry your brother, or to have 6 wives.

what you don't get is that group marriage is the next step. If two gays are allowed to marry using discrimination as a legal justification, then that exact same legal justification can and will be made for group marriage. It will be brought to SCOTUS and once they validate man/man and womand/woman marriage, they will not legally be able to deny marriage to groups of all kinds.

This is not homophobia, its reality.

No- that is just homophobic hysteria.

Discrimination is not the legal justification- the justification is that States cannot legally discriminate without a compelling state interest- and no state's have been able to come up with any justification that would discriminate against homosexuals- but not discriminate against infertile heterosexual couples.

If you or someone else sues arguing that the Right of Marriage includes you marrying 3 women, that will be a different argument- and the Supreme Court would not be under any legal obligation to treat it the same way as marriage between two people of the same gender.

Your argument has no basis in reality.

your are wrong. every one of the gay rights activists have used discrimination as the basis for their arguments. For your info, the ACLU is already preparing cases on multiple person marriages. It will be brought to a court near you, I guarantee it.

"near me"? "guarantee" LOL. Different argument. Different case. There is no slippery slope.

 

[Syriusly]

[QUOTE="Silhouette, post: 10000680, member: 44514". If this is where you want your country to be in a couple generations, keep up the "good non-work"..

[/QUOTE]

Hopefully in a couple of generations, discrimination against homosexuals, like you preach, will be as socially unacceptable as discrimination against blacks or jews.

Hopefully in a couple of generations, you and your fellow travellers will be looked back at in the same way we look back at George Wallace and the KKK>

 

[JakeStarkey]

Greenbean has been outed and sprouted!

He simply can't take what he dishes, then whines like crazy. He's nothing but a chew toy for his betters.

 

[Syriusly]

The ACLU needn't work too hard on that one. Polygamy is already legal in every single state where SCOTUS' conservative-four just allowed the marriage laws there to be declared "dead and unenforceable". The choice of the number of partners someone wants to have sex with and marry is a sexual orientation equal to any other. Ergo, polygamy is RIGHT NOW legal. Not at some nebulous point in the future.

Why do you spout such stupid lies?

Is it or is it not legal now in the states affected by the conservative Justices's "Attrition Decision" for gays to marry? If the answer is yes, then other sexual orientations may marry as well. Period. Marriage equality is marriage equality. A county clerk who turns away polygamists right now is in danger of a lawsuit for discrimination.

Once again Silhouette displays how her anti-gay sentiment leads her to lie about the law.

Same gender marriages were the subject of the law suit- and they are now not discriminated against legally.

Nobody but Silhouette believes that polygamy was addressed or is a legal issue.

Its all in Silhouettes mind.

 

[Syriusly]

your are wrong. every one of the gay rights activists have used discrimination as the basis for their arguments. For your info, the ACLU is already preparing cases on multiple person marriages. It will be brought to a court near you, I guarantee it.

The ACLU needn't work too hard on that one. Polygamy is already legal in every single state where SCOTUS' conservative-four just allowed the marriage laws there to be declared "dead and unenforceable". The choice of the number of partners someone wants to have sex with and marry is a sexual orientation equal to any other. Ergo, polygamy is RIGHT NOW legal. Not at some nebulous point in the future.

Thanks Roberst, Scalia, Alito and Thomas!

And of course that is just a lie.

 

[Syriusly]

Thank you for proving my point. Herdt is the only source for this "Sambia Tribe". There are no other published papers, no peer reveiws or other sources of information on this mythical "Sambia Tribe".

He is a PhD in anthropology and human sexuality studies at San Francisco State University. He also promotes your gay causes too. He just honesty reported what his field research led him to. Or are y'all going to spit on him like you spit on accredited and respected gay journalist Randy Shilts when he reported openly and honestly how gay bath houses should be closed because they were spreading HIV/AIDS?

Cults can be very unforgiving when one of the fold steps out of line. I get it.

Oh I am sure that Herdt is a professional.

And I am sure that just like every other resource you cite, that you have purposely twisted what he has said.

 

[Ibentoken]

Fascist queers.

Blog New America Ordained ministers threatened with jail unless they perform same sex marriages

 

[JakeStarkey]

One lie Sil tells is that her poll about 1st Amendment church rights on marriage is about favorability on marriage equality. It's not.

Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia
Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
A November/December 2013 Public Religion Research Institute poll ... A July 10 –14 poll by Gallup found support for same-sex marriage at 54%, a record high, and ...... Jump up ^ NewPoll: Marriage Equality Support at Record High in Wake of ...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Fascist queers.

Blog New America Ordained ministers threatened with jail unless they perform same sex marriages

Iben, sleazily if constant in his efforts to misdirect, fails to tell you that the ministers run a marriage for profit business, the Hitching Post Wedding Chapel.

Public accommodations law rule in that case, that their religious opinions in the public forum.

 

[Ibentoken]

One lie Sil tells is that her poll about 1st Amendment church rights on marriage is about favorability on marriage equality. It's not.

Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia
Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
A November/December 2013 Public Religion Research Institute poll ... A July 10 –14 poll by Gallup found support for same-sex marriage at 54%, a record high, and ...... Jump up ^ NewPoll: Marriage Equality Support at Record High in Wake of ...

That's fine. Find a preacher willing to marry queers, but leave preachers alone who don't want to. Live and let live.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No problem. Such preachers can't do it as a business in the public sector, without doing for everyone.