Connecticut killings reopen debate on forcibly committing the mentally ill

[Doc91678]

Washington – The tragedy in Connecticut has reopened a difficult debate over whether states should be allowed to involuntarily commit the mentally ill.

The trend over the decades has been to release mental health patients, with a number of court cases restricting involuntary commitment. Last week’s deadly rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School exposed cracks and inconsistencies within the nation’s mental health system. Many say that until those problems are fixed, it’s only a matter of time before another national nightmare unfolds.

“It’s a cultural and mental health problem and it’s something we need to address soon and seriously,” former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge told Fox News. “We need to balance individual rights with the needs of the community.”

Ironically, a Connecticut mental health bill calling for changes that could have taken someone like shooter Adam Lanza off the streets was defeated earlier this year in the state legislature. The bill would have allowed the state to commit someone if there was a reason to think that would prevent them from harming others.


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[bodecea]

Governor Reagan of CA was one of the first to "save money" by opening up the mental hospitals.

What a good idea that was.

 

[skye]

That's all well and good committing the mentally ill.

Problem is.... not all mass murderers are mentally ill. What you going to do about that.

 

[MDiver]

A good many people were involuntarily institutionalized, however, the ACLU went to the Supreme Court to free them and won. We're stuck.

 

[eots]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqaptRYjhq4]Psychiatry is fake science. The Thud Experiment proof. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[skye]

Also..I just want to say...

It's stupid to pick on the mentally ill... it could be a drug addict, a drunken person. somebody in a bad mood, somebody who is feeling aggressive ..etc...etc...

It could apply to anybody because there is a certain acceptability of violence in the culture.

Blaming the mentally ill is just a populist cop out!


In any case, if you include a lot of common symptoms such as depression ... most people are mentally ill at some stage in their lives.

 

[RoadVirus]

Washington – The tragedy in Connecticut has reopened a difficult debate over whether states should be allowed to involuntarily commit the mentally ill.

The trend over the decades has been to release mental health patients, with a number of court cases restricting involuntary commitment. Last week’s deadly rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School exposed cracks and inconsistencies within the nation’s mental health system. Many say that until those problems are fixed, it’s only a matter of time before another national nightmare unfolds.

“It’s a cultural and mental health problem and it’s something we need to address soon and seriously,” former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge told Fox News. “We need to balance individual rights with the needs of the community.”

Ironically, a Connecticut mental health bill calling for changes that could have taken someone like shooter Adam Lanza off the streets was defeated earlier this year in the state legislature. The bill would have allowed the state to commit someone if there was a reason to think that would prevent them from harming others.


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Someone's actually looking at the mental health angle? Hallelujah!

 

[Noomi]

Washington – The tragedy in Connecticut has reopened a difficult debate over whether states should be allowed to involuntarily commit the mentally ill.

The trend over the decades has been to release mental health patients, with a number of court cases restricting involuntary commitment. Last week’s deadly rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School exposed cracks and inconsistencies within the nation’s mental health system. Many say that until those problems are fixed, it’s only a matter of time before another national nightmare unfolds.

“It’s a cultural and mental health problem and it’s something we need to address soon and seriously,” former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge told Fox News. “We need to balance individual rights with the needs of the community.”

Ironically, a Connecticut mental health bill calling for changes that could have taken someone like shooter Adam Lanza off the streets was defeated earlier this year in the state legislature. The bill would have allowed the state to commit someone if there was a reason to think that would prevent them from harming others.


Read more:
Connecticut killings reopen debate on forcibly committing the mentally ill | Fox News

Mentally ill people can't make rational decisions, and they should be forcibly committed if it is what they need to become better.

 

[eots]

Washington – The tragedy in Connecticut has reopened a difficult debate over whether states should be allowed to involuntarily commit the mentally ill.

The trend over the decades has been to release mental health patients, with a number of court cases restricting involuntary commitment. Last week’s deadly rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School exposed cracks and inconsistencies within the nation’s mental health system. Many say that until those problems are fixed, it’s only a matter of time before another national nightmare unfolds.

“It’s a cultural and mental health problem and it’s something we need to address soon and seriously,” former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge told Fox News. “We need to balance individual rights with the needs of the community.”

Ironically, a Connecticut mental health bill calling for changes that could have taken someone like shooter Adam Lanza off the streets was defeated earlier this year in the state legislature. The bill would have allowed the state to commit someone if there was a reason to think that would prevent them from harming others.


Read more:
Connecticut killings reopen debate on forcibly committing the mentally ill | Fox News

Mentally ill people can't make rational decisions, and they should be forcibly committed if it is what they need to become better.

who decides what is rational comrade Noomi ?

 

[bripat9643]

I'm against it because it's too easy to abuse. All it takes is a couple of scheming children to have a parent committed so they can control the parent's money. Or they could have other ulterior motives for having someone committed.

Washington – The tragedy in Connecticut has reopened a difficult debate over whether states should be allowed to involuntarily commit the mentally ill.

The trend over the decades has been to release mental health patients, with a number of court cases restricting involuntary commitment. Last week’s deadly rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School exposed cracks and inconsistencies within the nation’s mental health system. Many say that until those problems are fixed, it’s only a matter of time before another national nightmare unfolds.

“It’s a cultural and mental health problem and it’s something we need to address soon and seriously,” former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge told Fox News. “We need to balance individual rights with the needs of the community.”

Ironically, a Connecticut mental health bill calling for changes that could have taken someone like shooter Adam Lanza off the streets was defeated earlier this year in the state legislature. The bill would have allowed the state to commit someone if there was a reason to think that would prevent them from harming others.


Read more:
Connecticut killings reopen debate on forcibly committing the mentally ill | Fox News

 

[wavingrl]

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Mentally ill people can't make rational decisions, and they should be forcibly committed if it is what they need to become better.

I have little confidence that the state can ever provide the sort of care that would help anyone become better. What sort of institutions might exist for long term/lifetime care I can't imagine.

When it comes to being diagnosed as a sociopath or psychopath--I haven't heard any solutions other than prison.

There is no money--state or federal.

Only in 'the movies' have I ever heard of places where a person with such challenges might live. If you are independently wealthy I suppose there are other options.

In GA the mental health system is under federal monitoring for all kinds of violations.

Reform is certainly needed.

 

[NYcarbineer]

A poster here said last week that abortion doctors who've been murdered got what they deserved,

and that a guy who murdered an abortion doctor was an American hero....

Should we force that poster into a mental institution?

Afterall, the poster said exactly what the guys who DO murder abortion doctors say...

 

[wavingrl]

A poster here said last week that abortion doctors who've been murdered got what they deserved,

and that a guy who murdered an abortion doctor was an American hero....

Should we force that poster into a mental institution?

Afterall, the poster said exactly what the guys who DO murder abortion doctors say...

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[Moonglow]

That's all well and good committing the mentally ill.

Problem is.... not all mass murderers are mentally ill. What you going to do about that.

ESP interviews

 

[squinch]

I can understand why many of you are against the mentally ill being incarcerated but I imagine that mental institutions have access to Fox News so why worry?

 

[Wehrwolfen]

Governor Reagan of CA was one of the first to "save money" by opening up the mental hospitals.

What a good idea that was.

Why don't you travel a little further back to LBJ and his great society schtick.

 

[Noomi]

Washington – The tragedy in Connecticut has reopened a difficult debate over whether states should be allowed to involuntarily commit the mentally ill.

The trend over the decades has been to release mental health patients, with a number of court cases restricting involuntary commitment. Last week’s deadly rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School exposed cracks and inconsistencies within the nation’s mental health system. Many say that until those problems are fixed, it’s only a matter of time before another national nightmare unfolds.

“It’s a cultural and mental health problem and it’s something we need to address soon and seriously,” former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge told Fox News. “We need to balance individual rights with the needs of the community.”

Ironically, a Connecticut mental health bill calling for changes that could have taken someone like shooter Adam Lanza off the streets was defeated earlier this year in the state legislature. The bill would have allowed the state to commit someone if there was a reason to think that would prevent them from harming others.


Read more:
Connecticut killings reopen debate on forcibly committing the mentally ill | Fox News

Mentally ill people can't make rational decisions, and they should be forcibly committed if it is what they need to become better.

who decides what is rational comrade Noomi ?

I think the parent or guardian can make that choice.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No problem. Competent 3rd party evaluation and testimony should be permissible for an involuntary lock up for a specified time. If the evaluation comes back tough, then mandatory 6-month to 5-years stays until the next evaluation.

 

[Politico]

That's all well and good committing the mentally ill.

Problem is.... not all mass murderers are mentally ill. What you going to do about that.

Create a category called 'weird' or 'unusual. I'm sure all you little Obamabots will hand your kids over for the sake of 'society'. Don't backpedal now.

 

[bripat9643]

A poster here said last week that abortion doctors who've been murdered got what they deserved,

and that a guy who murdered an abortion doctor was an American hero....

Should we force that poster into a mental institution?

Afterall, the poster said exactly what the guys who DO murder abortion doctors say...

How about the guy who says those perfectly innocent women and children at waco deserved to be incinerated?

I think he should be institutionalized.