The Palestinians do not violate any international law.Again, I am not arguing that. You previously claimed that the war crime of collective punishment goes both ways. Now, it appears you have seen the light, you have realized that that simply is not the case and we agree now.Before you claimed that the collective punishment goes both ways. I showed you that that is not the case. You were wrong.????
How can the Palestinians have a Govt
when they don't even have an organized state.
There is factioning going on where
the women and communities suffering at the
bottom aren't represented or served by the
Palestinian leadership that rallies for power.
So which people are you talking about?
The reason the Israeli govt has to take such a strong armed stance
is because of the factioning and lack of control to reign in the mix of
Islamic terrorism in with the peaceful Palestinians who don't want violence.
So I think you and I would agree that the PEACEFUL Muslims and Palestinians
aren't the problem but are victims of the very regimes they are blamed for.
The problem is louie888 because there IS NO organized
official govt that the terrorist groups are under, then when the Govts
respond to these terrorist threats, they end up collectively punishing mass people.
But that's who they are responding to.
Whatever you want to call the TERRORIST attackers and plotters,
THAT is the group that is collectively punishing others and then
reaping collective punishment in return on all blamed, innocent or guilty,
for those attacks.
You cannot compare these TERRORIST powers to an organized govt
because they are not an official nation. But that's who the Israeli
and also the US govt under Bush and now Trump are trying to respond to.
You cannot compare the two.
Or you will collectively blame and punish "all the Palestinian people"
for what the terrorists are doing and calling for.
That's not fair. But that's what we're left with because of the
political HIJACKING by anti-Israeli instead of pro-peacemakers,
which has gotten the Palestinians labeled as pro-terrorist which isn't an official govt.
Now you are arguing something completely different.
Please look up what collective punishment means before responding again so we may stay on topic.
If you are talking about LEGALISTICALLY What it means
that is not the same context I am talking about. Sorry.
Same with due process. Due process by legal terms is
not the same as the general context of blaming, judging
and punishing people without first confronting them directly
and going through the process of PROVING who did what wrong first.
So the GENERAL concept of "collective punishment" is
where I am saying the laws of karma work.
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WHAT? louie888
I am STILL saying that the UNOFFICIAL militant actions
of terrorists and jihadists IS COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT
and this goes back and forth
with what you are arguing the Israeli govt is doing.
Our only disagreement is that you aren't counting
the TERRORIST violence as COLLECTIVE punishment
"because it's not an official govt sponsored policy"
so it cannot compare to Israel that is instituting this through an OFFICIAL govt.
Shame on you.
Do you understand you are discounting all the TERRORISM
as "not being part of that equation"
How can you do that?
When the TERRORISM is what the govt is using to JUSTIFY
collective punishment, including arguments even against
the US policy that Trump promotes regarding travel bans.
That's a form of "collective" punishment abridging liberty
of law abiding people who happen to be from those target countries.
But BOTH are in RESPONSE to GENERAL TERRORIST THREATS
which ARE A FORM OF COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT.
I understand you only count OFFICIAL GOVT policy as collective punishment. I am using the broader SPIRIT of the concept
to count TERRORIST regimes and campaigns that AREN'T from an official govt.
Of course not. Arab-Moslem terrorism is allowable under the international law codified as "The Islamic Terrorist Entitlement to Be Excused From The Standards of International Law."