Class warfare?

[mudwhistle]

2 out of every 3 dollars are spent by the every day middle class consumers. You can look it up. Lincoln was quite correct in saying that labor precedes capital; capital can't survive without labor, where as labor can survive without capital.

Widdekind, I see you are back. The middle class consumers drive the economy not the owners and managers. Grow a healthy middle class and everyone does well.

how can you claim bosses have more money; and then claim they don't contribute to the economy? they may not buy more groceries, but they spend their money (on other things) all the same. who would have construction jobs, without home buyers? nobody who has money burns it, wall-papers their house with it, or lets it sit around. they spend the money, one way or another, and the money flows back into the economy, albeit from "a different direction".

grow a healthy middle class, and everybody who caters to their consumption does well; but wealthy golfers hire more caddies (say). there are always jobs

You can't be a consumer without income and you need a job for that.

That's where the rich come into the equation.

 

[rightwinger]

Corporate executives have been playing the card "Things are tough everyone needs to make sacrifices" while they raise executive pay and dividends. Workers are making do with less while corporate eats the profit

When speaking of the economy, JFK once said "A rising tide lifts all boats"

Conservatives have worked the system so that the rising economic tide only lifts the yachts

Why don't you just murder the rich in their beds then.




BTW, most conservatives are in the middle-class......loser.

Your dumbest post ever

 

[rightwinger]

2 out of every 3 dollars are spent by the every day middle class consumers. You can look it up. Lincoln was quite correct in saying that labor precedes capital; capital can't survive without labor, where as labor can survive without capital.

how can you claim bosses have more money; and then claim they don't contribute to the economy? they may not buy more groceries, but they spend their money (on other things) all the same. who would have construction jobs, without home buyers? nobody who has money burns it, wall-papers their house with it, or lets it sit around. they spend the money, one way or another, and the money flows back into the economy, albeit from "a different direction".

grow a healthy middle class, and everybody who caters to their consumption does well; but wealthy golfers hire more caddies (say). there are always jobs

You can't be a consumer without income and you need a job for that.

That's where the rich come into the equation.

Don't call them rich....the proper GOP term is "job creators"

It works like this......you cut their taxes and the jobs trickle down to China

 

[mudwhistle]

Corporate executives have been playing the card "Things are tough everyone needs to make sacrifices" while they raise executive pay and dividends. Workers are making do with less while corporate eats the profit

When speaking of the economy, JFK once said "A rising tide lifts all boats"

Conservatives have worked the system so that the rising economic tide only lifts the yachts

Why don't you just murder the rich in their beds then.




BTW, most conservatives are in the middle-class......loser.

Your dumbest post ever

Why do they always say that?

Actually......this class-warfare nonsense is the dumbest campaign idea ever.

It serves no purpose other than deflecting the public discourse off of the rotten economy and who is responsible for it.


Obama's plan to create jobs is the following:

1. Tax the rich
2. Talk about hiring more government workers
3. Cause divisions among the voters
4. Keep media attention on someone other than himself
5. Lie about the what the bad job numbers mean
6. Institute across the board massive tax-increases but never call them tax-increases
7. Ignore our laws claiming they aren't fair
8. Punish anyone who gets in his way
9. Put everything off till after the election
10. Sell us down the river through irreversible international trade agreements


Is there any wonder this country is going down the toilet.

 

[Widdekind]

2 out of every 3 dollars are spent by the every day middle class consumers. You can look it up. Lincoln was quite correct in saying that labor precedes capital; capital can't survive without labor, where as labor can survive without capital.

without capital (machines, factories), you have hand-tools & wheel-barrows, and you live like the "third world". Who is your "middle class" who has two-thirds of all the money to spend, in the entire country?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Look it up. Labor precedes capital. Labor can succeed without capital, not the opposite.

Through the middle and working classes spending on goods and services and products your owners and managers are able to build the capital outlays for improvement, etc.

One, you are not telling the actual, factual narrative; and two, your narrative is used in schools and colleges as the "robber barons' defense" to the students.

 

[rightwinger]

Why don't you just murder the rich in their beds then.




BTW, most conservatives are in the middle-class......loser.

Your dumbest post ever

Why do they always say that?

Actually......this class-warfare nonsense is the dumbest campaign idea ever.

It serves no purpose other than deflecting the public discourse off of the rotten economy and who is responsible for it.


Obama's plan to create jobs is the following:

1. Tax the rich
2. Talk about hiring more government workers
3. Cause divisions among the voters
4. Keep media attention on someone other than himself
5. Lie about the what the bad job numbers mean
6. Institute across the board massive tax-increases but never call them tax-increases
7. Ignore our laws claiming they aren't fair
8. Punish anyone who gets in his way
9. Put everything off till after the election
10. Sell us down the river through irreversible international trade agreements


Is there any wonder this country is going down the toilet.

The decline of the middle class is one of the most pressing issues of our society. It is not from a decline in work ethic or productivity it is because labor has been devalued in our society while we worship investment

We were promised that if we incentivized investments, the jobs would follow. The proverbial rising economic tide. What happened was they just kept the extra money. Hence, the alarming shift in wealth away from the working class to the one percent

 

[mudwhistle]

Your dumbest post ever

Why do they always say that?

Actually......this class-warfare nonsense is the dumbest campaign idea ever.

It serves no purpose other than deflecting the public discourse off of the rotten economy and who is responsible for it.


Obama's plan to create jobs is the following:

1. Tax the rich
2. Talk about hiring more government workers
3. Cause divisions among the voters
4. Keep media attention on someone other than himself
5. Lie about the what the bad job numbers mean
6. Institute across the board massive tax-increases but never call them tax-increases
7. Ignore our laws claiming they aren't fair
8. Punish anyone who gets in his way
9. Put everything off till after the election
10. Sell us down the river through irreversible international trade agreements


Is there any wonder this country is going down the toilet.

The decline of the middle class is one of the most pressing issues of our society. It is not from a decline in work ethic or productivity it is because labor has been devalued in our society while we worship investment

We were promised that if we incentivized investments, the jobs would follow. The proverbial rising economic tide. What happened was they just kept the extra money. Hence, the alarming shift in wealth away from the working class to the one percent

What is happening is more people are poor......that is the major cause of the economic shift.

Obama his helping more people become wards of the state thus the middle-class shrinks and their income with it.

 

[rightwinger]

Why do they always say that?

Actually......this class-warfare nonsense is the dumbest campaign idea ever.

It serves no purpose other than deflecting the public discourse off of the rotten economy and who is responsible for it.


Obama's plan to create jobs is the following:

1. Tax the rich
2. Talk about hiring more government workers
3. Cause divisions among the voters
4. Keep media attention on someone other than himself
5. Lie about the what the bad job numbers mean
6. Institute across the board massive tax-increases but never call them tax-increases
7. Ignore our laws claiming they aren't fair
8. Punish anyone who gets in his way
9. Put everything off till after the election
10. Sell us down the river through irreversible international trade agreements


Is there any wonder this country is going down the toilet.

The decline of the middle class is one of the most pressing issues of our society. It is not from a decline in work ethic or productivity it is because labor has been devalued in our society while we worship investment

We were promised that if we incentivized investments, the jobs would follow. The proverbial rising economic tide. What happened was they just kept the extra money. Hence, the alarming shift in wealth away from the working class to the one percent

What is happening is more people are poor......that is the major cause of the economic shift.

Obama his helping more people become wards of the state thus the middle-class shrinks and their income with it.

What is causing that shift is high unemployment and lowered wages and benefits. Rather than focusing on increasing opportunities for american workers, Republicans are rehashing their 30 year failed experiment in supply side economics

 

[JakeStarkey]

The decline of the middle class is one of the most pressing issues of our society. It is not from a decline in work ethic or productivity it is because labor has been devalued in our society while we worship investment

We were promised that if we incentivized investments, the jobs would follow. The proverbial rising economic tide. What happened was they just kept the extra money. Hence, the alarming shift in wealth away from the working class to the one percent

What is happening is more people are poor......that is the major cause of the economic shift.

Obama his helping more people become wards of the state thus the middle-class shrinks and their income with it.

What is causing that shift is high unemployment and lowered wages and benefits. Rather than focusing on increasing opportunities for american workers, Republicans are rehashing their 30 year failed experiment in supply side economics

The fact is that GOP policies from 1994 to 2006 with complacent Democrat help set in place the facts that crashed the economy.

Neither GOP nor Dem have been able to govern effectively since then.

Romney's victory will, I hope, change that.

 

[rdean]

You bet!

Corporate Profits at All-Time High; Wages at All-Time Low: Can We Call it Class War Yet? | Economy | AlterNet

It's only war when you "fight back".

 

[rdean]

What is happening is more people are poor......that is the major cause of the economic shift.

Obama his helping more people become wards of the state thus the middle-class shrinks and their income with it.

What is causing that shift is high unemployment and lowered wages and benefits. Rather than focusing on increasing opportunities for american workers, Republicans are rehashing their 30 year failed experiment in supply side economics

The fact is that GOP policies from 1994 to 2006 with complacent Democrat help set in place the facts that crashed the economy.

Neither GOP nor Dem have been able to govern effectively since then.

Romney's victory will, I hope, change that.

Yea, it's the Democrat's fault. Because Democrats are obviously responsible for everything Republicans do. It's been that way for decades.

Romney ----> Bush two point ooh

 

[JakeStarkey]

The GOP has the fault from 1994 to 2006 with Democratic help.

That kind of stupidity by you, rdean, infects the left of your party and makes others laugh at you.

 

[JoeNormal]

2 out of every 3 dollars are spent by the every day middle class consumers. You can look it up. Lincoln was quite correct in saying that labor precedes capital; capital can't survive without labor, where as labor can survive without capital.

You can't be a consumer without income and you need a job for that.

That's where the rich come into the equation.

Don't call them rich....the proper GOP term is "job creators"

It works like this......you cut their taxes and the jobs trickle down to China

It's funny 'cause it's true.

 

[Rshermr]

The GOP has the fault from 1994 to 2006 with Democratic help.

That kind of stupidity by you, rdean, infects the left of your party and makes others laugh at you.

This is why all the independent studies say conservatives tend to be dumb. They are unable to look at what caused problems from an objective point of view, or why things worked from an objective point of view. No evidence for their statements.
i tried to have a discussion with a con two days ago, just got lots of immature name calling, and then he provided research, for which he complained of "having to educate' me, and the education was made up of three links to the .gop web site. Typical believe what you want to believe, prove what you want to prove, using totally prejudiced sources.
Trying to provide rational information from the con point of view would be refreshing

 

[Widdekind]

The decline of the middle class is one of the most pressing issues of our society. It is not from a decline in work ethic or productivity it is because labor has been devalued in our society while we worship investment

you mean "speculation" -- stock markets are hyped; buying stock is like buying the title to a car; buying stock is buying a title to a (share of a) business, that already exists. You're speculating, that the "car" price will increase. If you wanted to actually invest, you would buy corporate bonds, lending businesses money with which they could directly expand operations. Does CNN hype bonds ?

Through the middle and working classes spending on goods and services and products your owners and managers are able to build the capital outlays for improvement, etc.

consumer spending helps grocery stores, hardware stores, and car dealers. How does consumer spending help grow heavy industry? you're telling me, that Americans being wealthy & earning lots of money, is (somehow) bad, for the American economy...

What do you think high-income earners do, with their money? What exactly do their income-statements look like? "Boss" earns millions of dollars (income), buys a few groceries (expenses), and the rest of the money _________________ ? don't they "invest" that money, lending to businesses (and governments), thereby helping expand US production, infrastructure, etc. ?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The decline of the middle class is one of the most pressing issues of our society. It is not from a decline in work ethic or productivity it is because labor has been devalued in our society while we worship investment

you mean "speculation" -- stock markets are hyped; buying stock is like buying the title to a car; buying stock is buying a title to a (share of a) business, that already exists. You're speculating, that the "car" price will increase. If you wanted to actually invest, you would buy corporate bonds, lending businesses money with which they could directly expand operations. Does CNN hype bonds ?

Through the middle and working classes spending on goods and services and products your owners and managers are able to build the capital outlays for improvement, etc.

consumer spending helps grocery stores, hardware stores, and car dealers. How does consumer spending help grow heavy industry? you're telling me, that Americans being wealthy & earning lots of money, is (somehow) bad, for the American economy...

What do you think high-income earners do, with their money? What exactly do their income-statements look like? "Boss" earns millions of dollars (income), buys a few groceries (expenses), and the rest of the money _________________ ? don't they "invest" that money, lending to businesses (and governments), thereby helping expand US production, infrastructure, etc. ?

Two out of every three $ comes from folks like you and me, and the rest comes from big business, government, banks, speculators, etc.

Treat the middle and working classes appropriately in terms of wages and benefits, and the economy will sky rocket.

 

[expat_panama]

...The decline of the middle class is one of the most pressing issues of our society. It is not from a decline in work ethic or productivity...

--and we don't see it with middle class incomes either. The Census %'s multiplied by the BEA's total income says middle class household incomes hit an all time high in 2008 and even with falling with the '09 'recovery' they're still getting back on track:

 

[JakeStarkey]

...The decline of the middle class is one of the most pressing issues of our society. It is not from a decline in work ethic or productivity...

--and we don't see it with middle class incomes either. The Census %'s multiplied by the BEA's total income says middle class household incomes hit an all time high in 2008 and even with falling with the '09 'recovery' they're still getting back on track:

Correlate its purchasing power for the last 10, 20, and 30 years, and you will see the falseness of your nonsense, expat.

 

[Widdekind]

ExpatPanama, you may be confusing "aggregate household income", compiled by the US census bureau; and other measures of "aggregate income" (national, personal, personal disposable), compiled by the BEA. Sticking solely with census "household" data, real incomes per household have stalled since 2000. But that doesn't mean much -- real incomes per worker have only increased. The average number of workers per household is decreasing -- family units are disbanding, more & more legal "heads of household" are (evidently) single. Over-simplistically, on average, households today are smaller, having fewer income earners; but those fewer are individually earning more; so the average income per "household" has stayed the same.

Unless we want businesses to moralize us, about how we live our family lives; then we can only hold businesses, to how much they pay us, to work for them. By all measures, real incomes per worker are only increasing. Who can complain to "boss"? Income measured per "household family unit" is an accounting trick, that (winds up) grouping (or, actually, un-grouping) people in ways, so that some "accounting unit" can be shown to have "stagnating" incomes. Are businesses responsible for our family "household units"?

real wages per worker are higher than ever. Who, then, dates and marries whom, after hours, forming official accounting "households", is not "boss'" business (is it?).