CIA report: Israel will fall in 20 years

[GHook93]

A study conducted by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has cast doubt over Israel's survival beyond the next 20 years.

The CIA report predicts "an inexorable movement away from a two-state to a one-state solution, as the most viable model based on democratic principles of full equality that sheds the looming specter of colonial Apartheid while allowing for the return of the 1947/1948 and 1967 refugees. The latter being the precondition for sustainable peace in the region."

The study, which has been made available only to a certain number of individuals, further forecasts the return of all Palestinian refugees to the occupied territories, and the exodus of two million Israeli - who would move to the US in the next fifteen years.

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If the CIA is right, we can expect a large emigration of exZionists to the United States in the future.

With all guns and missiles pointed at Israel, it's a miracle every day she exists.

The CIA knows it, if they gave their real opinion it should be Israel will be gone tomorrow, no other nation would last a day longer, but they know they'd look stupid because Isreal will not fall. It has been David and Goliath since it's inception.

Predicting "20 years" is more about saving face for the CIA than anything else.

Have you ever been there? You don't know how ignorant your comments are!

 

[amiam*]

If the CIA is right, we can expect a large emigration of exZionists to the United States in the future.

The Zionist in Israel aren't going anywhere. They will leave Israel, if she were to fall, only in body bags! Opps with that comment I just made Shogun nut in his pants!

The Zionists and the Arabs are like two nasty children. The UN (read USA) ought to enforce the following so the Zealots of both sides can't haggle:
UN General Assembly resolution 303 reiterated the UN commitment to internationalization of Jerusalem, and designated it a "corpus separatum" - separate body. Under the original partition plan of 1947 (GA resolution 181), Jerusalem was to have been administered under UN sovereignty as an international city.

Gee, we can relocate the UN in Jerusalem and stop the partying in the Big Apple.

 

[GHook93]

If the CIA is right, we can expect a large emigration of exZionists to the United States in the future.

The Zionist in Israel aren't going anywhere. They will leave Israel, if she were to fall, only in body bags! Opps with that comment I just made Shogun nut in his pants!

The Zionists and the Arabs are like two nasty children. The UN (read USA) ought to enforce the following so the Zealots of both sides can't haggle:
UN General Assembly resolution 303 reiterated the UN commitment to internationalization of Jerusalem, and designated it a "corpus separatum" - separate body. Under the original partition plan of 1947 (GA resolution 181), Jerusalem was to have been administered under UN sovereignty as an international city.

Gee, we can relocate the UN in Jerusalem and stop the partying in the Big Apple.

Wow resorting to the UN! A powerless and nearly pointless organization!
Name just one international city? Name just one place where the UN rules a place effectly?

Name one conflict the UN has done anything on? Kosovo? Nope that was us Americans. Sudan? Nope the Blacks are getting slaughtered their also. Kuwait? Nope that was us Americans also. The Taliban? Again us Americans. Georgia? Nope that was Russia deciding to leave. Rwanda? Nope they were an utter failure there also. Congo? Nope, there is still genocide, rape and famine going on there. Nigeria? Not that was a chaotic also. North Korea? Nope they spit in the paper dragon's face. In Lebanon keeping up with disarming or preventing arms from reaching Hezbollah? Nope they have been a huge failure there. The old Yugoslavia? LOL, nada! The Cambodia Khmer Rouge? LOL, good job UN.

The UN has been a utter failure in every conflict they ever tried to do anything about, so why does your pea-brain think it can work?

 

[blu]

Israel has gone from 0 (being a reborn country) to 60 (1st world industrialized nation) faster than any nation ever. They are world leaders in technological sectors, including pharmaceuticals and software.

you realize most of their success was backed by "the west" as well as deep pockets of zionists right? It also doesn't hurt being the 51st state of the USA, or looking the other way having the usa be the first colony of israel. not saying what they have isn't powerful, but its not like they started from a grass roots campaign.

 

[jillian]

you realize most of their success was backed by "the west" as well as deep pockets of zionists right? It also doesn't hurt being the 51st state of the USA, or looking the other way having the usa be the first colony of israel. not saying what they have isn't powerful, but its not like they started from a grass roots campaign.

you realize that's not true, right?

when the British divided the mandate, they gave the arabs the high ground, fortresses and defensible positions. And the Arabs had soviet weapons. The U.S. and Britain did nothing for Israel.

You might want to re-assess....or actually learn history.

This thread? Wishful thinking.... *shrug*

 

[GHook93]

Israel has gone from 0 (being a reborn country) to 60 (1st world industrialized nation) faster than any nation ever. They are world leaders in technological sectors, including pharmaceuticals and software.

you realize most of their success was backed by "the west" as well as deep pockets of zionists right? It also doesn't hurt being the 51st state of the USA, or looking the other way having the usa be the first colony of israel. not saying what they have isn't powerful, but its not like they started from a grass roots campaign.

How does the old saying go, "You can't lead a mule to water!" First, the US didn't support Israel with weapons and money until 1967! She was on the fast track even at that point. Germany gave her some money in the beginning because of the holocaust, but never did anything after that point. France and Britian fought with her in '52, France provided weapons in '48 (the only country I might add), but neither have ever provided money. America provides, depends on who you talk to, $1.5-$3 bil in MILITARY AID! With a $200 bil GDP, even at the high end that is 1.5% of there GDP! OMG!

Countries have been providing support for other countries all the time, but it takes the will and intelligence of the people to make it work. Japan received tremendous support from the US after WWII to rebuild. However, if the Japanese people were so resilient, motivated and intelligent they would have never became the economic power they are today!

Just giving someone money doesn't mean they will do a damn thing with it. Just look at people on welfare. The vast majority never do a damn thing to change their situation, they just accept the free lunch, but that is another topic!

 

[Shogun]

I bet you are not so cavalier about the US deciding to keep that 1.5% if israel's gdp...

 

[DavidS]

Israel has gone from 0 (being a reborn country) to 60 (1st world industrialized nation) faster than any nation ever. They are world leaders in technological sectors, including pharmaceuticals and software. They are a leader in banking and finance. Not to mention agriculture, diamond shaping and solar energy. They are also a leader in military hardware. They have high per capita income and GDP of a much larger country, despite their few resources. They are a stable democracy. Not to mention their tourism is still very strong. They have some of the best doctors in the world! They also have a highly educated populace.

The demographic time bomb is a myth. Secular Jews reproduce like Westerns, but Orthodox Jews reproduce like rabbits. There are roughly 800-900K Orthodox Jews in Israel and they reproduce far greater than Israeli Arabs. The Israeli Arabs reproduce fast, but I saw a report that they have slow down greatly and never reproduced like the Gazan and West Bankers. So you have the 800-900K Orthodox Jews vs the 1.1 mil Israeli Arabs (which includes the Druze and Bedium who both fought in great number along side the Jews in '48 and the Christians). Therefore this report is beyond Bullshit and the wet dreams of Shogun are not coming true any times soon!

However, if the Jews abandon the 2 state solution, the one state solution will be created eventually. Take the Gaza (1.4) and West Banker (2.4) and the Israeli Arabs (1.1) to total 4.9 Palestinians vs the 5 mil Jews. Even without the Palestinian refugees in Arab countries the Jews would eventually fall into the minority like what happen and is happening to the Christian in Lebanon. A that point the Jews either keep a Democracy and get voted out of power or go to apartheid and those systems don't have a promising history. To stay a great and viable nation like Israel is they MUST great an Independent Palestinian Nation!

Maybe a Palestinian nation is a risky proposition to many Israelis, but a 1 state solution is suicide! Israel should do it now why they have vast more power than Palestinians!

What's the matter with you, brother? Palestinians are Arabs, they are not their own ethnicity. If a man kept coming over to your house and demanded food and money and if he didn't get that he would rape your wife, would you give him food and money? You probably would. So on the second day, he comes of to your house, he asks for all of your jewelry or he will rape your wife. So you give him all of your jewelry. The next day he comes over your house and he threatens to rape your wife if you do not give him more money. So you do it. This happens on and on and on and will continue happening until you buy a fucking shotgun and shoot this motherfucker right between the eyes.

For decades, we have been victimized by the Arab countries. Give us this, give us that or we'll declare war against you. So we keep giving and giving... prisoners, land, security, electricity, gas, oil... you name it. And what do we get for it? The leaders of these people refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, they launch suicide bombers, rockets and mortars at us and yet we're still fucking pussies and the Palestinian robbers keeps coming over to our houses threatening to rape our wives.

We've offered them their own country before. They've rejected it. Why have they rejected it? Because if the robber finally rapes your wife, he has no food and no money. Instead of being an independent entity -- ruling themselves, building an economy for themselves, making peace with us, opening relations with other non-Arab countries... proving that they are a viable entity... they come to us and blame us for their woes.

The time to choose between a one-state solution, with Palestinains and a two-state solutions with Palestinains has passed. It is now time for a one state solution WITHOUT Palestinians. Israel is OUR land and they are the robbers threatening to rape our wives if we do not do exactly as they say we should do. We are the ones who keep our doors unlocked at night thinking that these people will sit and have dinner with us like civilized human beings. They won't. They never will. Once again they are intruders upon our land.

What Israel needs to do is give ALL PALESTINIAN ARABS 72 hours to vacate Gaza and the West Bank and to move into other Arab countries. After the 72 hours are over, they must either become Israeli citizens if they are still there (full equal rights, including land ownership, etc.) or they will be deported. That's it. No more pussying around with these people. When we finally put a gun to the guy who threatens to rape our wife's head, he will finally stop visiting us every night with a new demand. You think last December was bad? If I were in charge of Israel, last December would be a firecracker.

There is no such thing as a Palestinian. They are all Arabs. Every single one of them.

 

[Sunni Man]

For decades, we have been victimized by the Arab countries. Give us this, give us that or we'll declare war against you. So we keep giving and giving... prisoners, land, security, electricity, gas, oil... you name it. And what do we get for it? The leaders of these people refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, they launch suicide bombers, rockets and mortars at us and yet we're still fucking pussies and the Palestinian robbers keeps coming over to our houses threatening to rape our wives.

We've offered them their own country before. They've rejected it. Why have they rejected it? Because if the robber finally rapes your wife, he has no food and no money. Instead of being an independent entity -- ruling themselves, building an economy for themselves, making peace with us, opening relations with other non-Arab countries... proving that they are a viable entity... they come to us and blame us for their woes.

The time to choose between a one-state solution, with Palestinains and a two-state solutions with Palestinains has passed. It is now time for a one state solution WITHOUT Palestinians. Israel is OUR land and they are the robbers threatening to rape our wives if we do not do exactly as they say we should do. We are the ones who keep our doors unlocked at night thinking that these people will sit and have dinner with us like civilized human beings. They won't. They never will. Once again they are intruders upon our land.

What Israel needs to do is give ALL PALESTINIAN ARABS 72 hours to vacate Gaza and the West Bank and to move into other Arab countries. After the 72 hours are over, they must either become Israeli citizens if they are still there (full equal rights, including land ownership, etc.) or they will be deported. That's it. No more pussying around with these people. When we finally put a gun to the guy who threatens to rape our wife's head, he will finally stop visiting us every night with a new demand. You think last December was bad? If I were in charge of Israel, last December would be a firecracker.

WE? Us?? Ours???

You claim to be an all American and patriotic citizen DavidS

Yet you rant and rave as though you were an Israeli

On other threads you have stated that you put Israel over American interests.

So why don't you just move there and fight for fascist Israel?

 

[Shogun]

Dave, ya ole big fat jew, how is acting like a Grand Wizard of the JJJ treating you?

 

[DavidS]

Dave, ya ole big fat jew, how is acting like a Grand Wizard of the JJJ treating you?

Up to your old shit again, Soggs? Don't have Agna to kick around? Aww poor boy.

 

[Shogun]

Dave, ya ole big fat jew, how is acting like a Grand Wizard of the JJJ treating you?

Up to your old shit again, Soggs? Don't have Agna to kick around? Aww poor boy.

Given how funny you still walk you should know that I'm an equal opportunity mudhole stomper. And my point stands: The more you act like a jewish hate group willing to dance around in your yarmulke like a white southerner in bed sheets the less room you have to complain about being hated. Schieg Chail, dude.

 

[DavidS]

Dave, ya ole big fat jew, how is acting like a Grand Wizard of the JJJ treating you?

Up to your old shit again, Soggs? Don't have Agna to kick around? Aww poor boy.

Given how funny you still walk you should know that I'm an equal opportunity mudhole stomper. And my point stands: The more you act like a jewish hate group willing to dance around in your yarmulke like a white southerner in bed sheets the less room you have to complain about being hated. Schieg Chail, dude.

It is the liberal pussies like you who need protecting. Liberal pussies who refuse to fight and would rather make peace with our enemies instead of anihiliating them.

Your ideology is not only dangerous -- it's fatal. If Shogun ran a country, it would be invaded in the first 24 hours and he'd be killed and replaced by a real leader, one who knows how to make the tough decisions. The human psyche tries to decide if it's going to run or stay and fight. You would run. Jews have been running for thousands of years. I'm tired of running. It's time to fight.

 

[Shogun]

Up to your old shit again, Soggs? Don't have Agna to kick around? Aww poor boy.

Given how funny you still walk you should know that I'm an equal opportunity mudhole stomper. And my point stands: The more you act like a jewish hate group willing to dance around in your yarmulke like a white southerner in bed sheets the less room you have to complain about being hated. Schieg Chail, dude.

It is the liberal pussies like you who need protecting. Liberal pussies who refuse to fight and would rather make peace with our enemies instead of anihiliating them.

Your ideology is not only dangerous -- it's fatal. If Shogun ran a country, it would be invaded in the first 24 hours and he'd be killed and replaced by a real leader, one who knows how to make the tough decisions. The human psyche tries to decide if it's going to run or stay and fight. You would run. Jews have been running for thousands of years. I'm tired of running. It's time to fight.

yea, from little jewish stalins with a cultural PTSD and a fucking martyr complex.

and yes, since my concern is not based in racist JJJ zionism Im just not willing to kill off the goyim like you, ya Grand Weizard.


Actually, if my ideology ran the nation you'd be the first to cry foul given that equality would not treat you half as well as the cozy little place you've made for yourself behind the pant leg of America. It's funny though, ya ironic jew, that you'd be the guy talking about invasions and killings and installations of "real" (see- JEWISH) leaders.


By all means, you ironic jew, go kill some goyim so that the guilt of the holocaust drains out of the scope of the western conscience. the worst thing you could do is show us all how jews are no different than germans lashing out post ww1. Feel free, dude. Go discover what the word Hubris means.

 

[GHook93]

What's the matter with you, brother? Palestinians are Arabs, they are not their own ethnicity. If a man kept coming over to your house and demanded food and money and if he didn't get that he would rape your wife, would you give him food and money? You probably would. So on the second day, he comes of to your house, he asks for all of your jewelry or he will rape your wife. So you give him all of your jewelry. The next day he comes over your house and he threatens to rape your wife if you do not give him more money. So you do it. This happens on and on and on and will continue happening until you buy a fucking shotgun and shoot this motherfucker right between the eyes.

For decades, we have been victimized by the Arab countries. Give us this, give us that or we'll declare war against you. So we keep giving and giving... prisoners, land, security, electricity, gas, oil... you name it. And what do we get for it? The leaders of these people refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, they launch suicide bombers, rockets and mortars at us and yet we're still fucking pussies and the Palestinian robbers keeps coming over to our houses threatening to rape our wives.

We've offered them their own country before. They've rejected it. Why have they rejected it? Because if the robber finally rapes your wife, he has no food and no money. Instead of being an independent entity -- ruling themselves, building an economy for themselves, making peace with us, opening relations with other non-Arab countries... proving that they are a viable entity... they come to us and blame us for their woes.

The time to choose between a one-state solution, with Palestinains and a two-state solutions with Palestinains has passed. It is now time for a one state solution WITHOUT Palestinians. Israel is OUR land and they are the robbers threatening to rape our wives if we do not do exactly as they say we should do. We are the ones who keep our doors unlocked at night thinking that these people will sit and have dinner with us like civilized human beings. They won't. They never will. Once again they are intruders upon our land.

What Israel needs to do is give ALL PALESTINIAN ARABS 72 hours to vacate Gaza and the West Bank and to move into other Arab countries. After the 72 hours are over, they must either become Israeli citizens if they are still there (full equal rights, including land ownership, etc.) or they will be deported. That's it. No more pussying around with these people. When we finally put a gun to the guy who threatens to rape our wife's head, he will finally stop visiting us every night with a new demand. You think last December was bad? If I were in charge of Israel, last December would be a firecracker.

There is no such thing as a Palestinian. They are all Arabs. Every single one of them.

First, although I am Jewish with strong sympathies to Israel, I am an American, not Israeli. I have reject Israeli dual citizenship when I had to chance to receive it. I love Israel, but America is will be the only country I give fully loyalty and citizenship for.

Second, you not be delusional. No matter what reasoning you have, just or unjust, there are 1.5 billion Muslims, dozens of Muslim countries, poor South American and African countries, liberal Europeans and Americans, Russians, minority Muslims in the west and far right wing racist that won't give a shit. The Muslim population is growing throughout Europe. Sympathy will eventually sway to a full blown boycott and sanction when the Muslim voter base is large enough and the politicians have no choice but to bow to them. Same thing will eventually happen in America. But Israel economically will have a tough time surviving with a Arab, Muslim and European boycott. Israel window for the "best" deal is now why she is strong and has the majority support of Europe.

Third, again don't be delusional, the Jews will never be able to deport 3.5-4 million Palestinians, but from a tactical, diplomatic or moral standpoint. Even America will turn on Israel at that point. Not to mention the fact that no country, Muslim and non-Muslim, would open its doors!

Fourth, a one state solution is Israeli suicide, this is precisely the reason grand antisemites like Shogun demand. Either you get a South African style apartheid system or getting voted out of power. And unlike the Palestinians, the world WILL and has always turned a blind eye at the plight of the Jews!

Fifth, be reasonable! A two state solution in the end is the only situation in which Israel can ever expect peace! It is the only end solution. Only logical backers of Israel see the 2 state solution as the only solution!

 

[GHook93]

WE? Us?? Ours???

You claim to be an all American and patriotic citizen DavidS

Yet you rant and rave as though you were an Israeli

On other threads you have stated that you put Israel over American interests.

So why don't you just move there and fight for fascist Israel?

Funny you complain about someones patriotism, when you thrive for the America's downfall, you call for Sharia Law over the constitution, you are a 9/11 truther and you are about as patriotic as Benedick Arnold!

Sunni don't toss stones from a glass house!

 

[Sunni Man]

WE? Us?? Ours???

You claim to be an all American and patriotic citizen DavidS

Yet you rant and rave as though you were an Israeli

On other threads you have stated that you put Israel over American interests.

So why don't you just move there and fight for fascist Israel?

Funny you complain about someones patriotism, when you thrive for the America's downfall, you call for Sharia Law over the constitution, you are a 9/11 truther and you are about as patriotic as Benedick Arnold!

Just because I doubt the official governments story concerning 9/11 doesn't make me unpatriotic. Just skeptical.

Do you accept everything the government says GHook?

I totally believe in the Constitution.

I also would like Sharia law to be the guiding law of the land.

There is no reason that we couldn't have both.

 

[GHook93]

Just because I doubt the official governments story concerning 9/11 doesn't make me unpatriotic. Just skeptical.

YES this makes you unpatriotic and well a fucking moron. Same to you EOTS

Do you accept everything the government says GHook?

NO! Especially when a Politicians says they have your best interests at heart. But believing the government about 9/11? Absolutely I believe the official story. You don't because your a bigoted moron!

I totally believe in the Constitution.

I also would like Sharia law to be the guiding law of the land.

You can't have them both moron! So you either want one or the other. If you reject the constitution, then you can't call your a patriotic American!

Funny how you leave out the fact that you thrive for American's downfall

 

[Kalam]

A study conducted by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has cast doubt over Israel's survival beyond the next 20 years.

"...for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." - Galations 6:7

 

[Sunni Man]

Funny how you leave out the fact that you thrive for American's downfall

Please show any post where I have called for America's downfall GHook.

Or else STFU you lying prick.