Christian Identity

[Caroljo]

Debated this today with my Born Again Christian co-worker. It seems to be very convienient for christians to pick and choose who is and who isn't a christian after the fact. Every christian that partook in the inquisition and witch burnings was not actually a christian because christians don't do those things, how convienient. He tells me not every sin is the same and some carry more weith than others. You tell me that all sin is the same. Yet you both claim to be christians and follow / use the King James Bible. If you follow this line of thinking Christianity is the perfect religion because it requires no personal responsibility, or responsibility for the church as a whole.

Ya know what...i'm trying to figure out how to explain that (about sins). This is why i don't belong to an "organized" religious denomination...they all have their different ideas of what God is telling us. I'm not saying i'm right, but i believe in what i feel is right by what i've studied. I don't think anyone knows FOR SURE what is right. Some feel you have to "work" for salvation. From what i've read. all you need is FAITH. Some people believe that when Jesus talked of Tithing that you have to give at least 10% of your gross pay. I believe Tithing 10% is not just from money you earn (many can't afford to give that much) but it is also a portion of your time. It's not just money, it's volunteering, giving to charities, whatever you can do to help others and grow the kingdom of God. All denominations probably have some things right and some things wrong. But if all of them are doing their best at following Gods laws the best they know how, and have God in their hearts, it's not going to matter. Like i said before, God knows what's in our hearts and minds. We're all going to be ok!!!!

Your absolutely right, we will "ALL" be ok.

Yes...i really believe, and hope i'm right, that all good people will be ok. It's very hard for me to believe that even though a person does not confess that they're Christian, but they are GOOD people...doing good helping others, contributing to Charities, go by the laws (or 10 commandments), treat others with respect, that they will not go to Heaven! I pray everyday that they do. My parents were loving, caring, supportive....i don't know of anything that they really did wrong. But, they were not confessed Christians. My mother never belonged to a church that i know of, but she was the best. My dad was raised in a very strict Baptist church and once an adult he never went back. But he was the best....i can not believe that they would go to hell just because of these things.

 

[mike beev]

Thou shalt not kill. Therefore abortion and the death panalty are wrong.

 

[mike beev]

As a Christian, I do not buy anything made in China because: 1) The gov't forces women to get an abortion if they already have one child. 2) The gov't persecutes Christians. 3) The gov't persecutes those who want democracy. 4) The gov't supports other dictatorships. 5) Communists are dedicated to ruling the world.

 

[Caroljo]

Thou shalt not kill. Therefore abortion and the death panalty are wrong.

Thou shalt not kill = you will not murder (says nothing about self defense)

Eye for an Eye = Death penalty (you murder someone, you die too)...whatever harm you do to another, the same shall be done to you.

Abortion = Murder (thou shalt not kill)
because the fetus (baby) didn't murder anyone, why should they be killed???

 

[BolshevikHunter]

I never understood the Christian Indentity movement. Even back when I was way more extreme, young and ignorant. A movement that hates Jews, but worships their God? It's just another form of organized bullshit for profit if you ask me. Go outside tonight (if it's a clear night that is). Look up, and you will see God. ~BH

 

[Avatar4321]

I never understood the Christian Indentity movement. Even back when I was way more extreme, young and ignorant. A movement that hates Jews, but worships their God? It's just another form of organized bullshit for profit if you ask me. Go outside tonight (if it's a clear night that is). Look up, and you will see God. ~BH

They hate Jews but worship one. Can't get more inconsistant than that.

Organized religion doesn't mean profit.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Anyone familiar with it? I find it fascinating even though its Religion,I don't believe in it just know people who do and are my friends....religion to me is just an opiat for our pathetic lives...

I find it interesting how fractured the christian religion really is, yet all claim the bible as their holy book. There seem to be many forms, sects, or denominations of christianity, yet when you ask someone they will respond, "I'm a Christian". They will not say I'm a Protestant, Catholic, Baptist or Methodist. I wonder why that is?

Because unless you are a Christian, it won't make much difference to you which denomination they are. And the Christianity is more important than which flavor it is.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Anyone familiar with it? I find it fascinating even though its Religion,I don't believe in it just know people who do and are my friends....religion to me is just an opiat for our pathetic lives...

I find it interesting how fractured the christian religion really is, yet all claim the bible as their holy book. There seem to be many forms, sects, or denominations of christianity, yet when you ask someone they will respond, "I'm a Christian". They will not say I'm a Protestant, Catholic, Baptist or Methodist. I wonder why that is?

I imagine it is because they think they are the ones correctly reading and interpreting the bible; they may not consider the other sects or denominations true Christians.

Depends on the denomination. Most Protestants are separated less by doctrinal differences than by style and heirarchical differences. I can promise you, for example, that you could attend a Baptist church and an Assembly of God church and they'd look exactly the same to you. I was raised in the AG church, and even I can't tell them apart.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The problem of studying it yourself in small groups of like thinkers is the David Koresh situation. It seems that most groups like this end up living the end times prophecies, and this leads to some really bizzare behavior. Then sometimes you get the under educated trying to interpet a book that scholars can't even interpet correctly. Then they start arguing ove language (this seems to be a favorite topic) and which is acceptable and which is not. The bible can be very dangerous is the wrong hands, just ask abortion doctors.

I guess it could lead to that and probably has...not all of us agree on how we interpret something. I love studying end times, but that's not all we study at all...you have to study the WHOLE bible. Yes, there's some pretty whacky people out there that call themselves christian and do some horrible things. That's not what Christianity is about and they are not true christians...they're being led by Satan...

That is a popular cop out. They did evil so obviously they aren't christians. I had a christian try and tell me that the inquisition and witch burnings were not committed by christians because true christians don't kill. Then in the next breath tell me about how all Muslims are Jihadists out to kill the infidels.

How is that a cop-out? Don't YOU normally make decisions about people based on their actions? Why is it a stretch to say, "If you do evil, you are not following Christ's teachings"?

 

[Cecilie1200]

When Muslims rebuke Jihadists for terrorist attacks, and say that they are not true Muslims, are they correct? by your standards they would not be considered Muslims.

How extreme are you getting? True christians should be pacifists as well, as they turn the other cheek, love their enemies, and know the lesson of "Live by the sword, Die by the sword". They also know that vengeance belongs to the Lord. True christians are ok with slavery, as nowhere in the bible is slavery condemned, but to the contrary instructs you how to treat your slaves. The Westboro church is scripturally correct in their condemnation of homosexuality as being sinful, but socially reprehensible.

I don't believe all Muslims are terrorists...they have their extremists just like any religion does...but not all extremists are crazy murderers like they are. Not all have such hate for others like they do.

Yes...we're to turn the other cheek (but not stand there and get beaten or killed..we can fight back)
Yes...we're to love our enemies (but not stand there and take it when our enemies want to kill us)
The mention of slavery in the Bible isn't talking about slaves (like when we had slaves in America). Many believe that this is talking about (nowadays) that it means if you have people that work for you in a business...this is how they must be treated. Remember, this book was written back when if someone worked for you, that person was your slave.

The Westboro Chruch is right when they say Homosexuality is a sin...the are NOT right when they say that God hates gays, or how about when they say God is happy when a soldier dies!!! God does NOT hate gays or anyone, he hates their sin. I don't hate gays, but i don't agree with their lifestyle - but that's between them and God. Being gay is a sin, but to God it's no bigger a sin than any other (stealing, adultry, or murder!). All sin is equal in Gods eyes.

Debated this today with my Born Again Christian co-worker. It seems to be very convienient for christians to pick and choose who is and who isn't a christian after the fact. Every christian that partook in the inquisition and witch burnings was not actually a christian because christians don't do those things, how convienient. He tells me not every sin is the same and some carry more weith than others. You tell me that all sin is the same. Yet you both claim to be christians and follow / use the King James Bible. If you follow this line of thinking Christianity is the perfect religion because it requires no personal responsibility, or responsibility for the church as a whole.

When else CAN you decide what kind of person someone is, other than after they act and show you? None of us are mind-readers, so we kinda have to see their actions to know what's going on inside them.

Maybe you should save your problems with your co-worker for your co-worker, though, instead of acting like the rest of us are somehow responsible to answer for his words.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Ya know what...i'm trying to figure out how to explain that (about sins). This is why i don't belong to an "organized" religious denomination...they all have their different ideas of what God is telling us. I'm not saying i'm right, but i believe in what i feel is right by what i've studied. I don't think anyone knows FOR SURE what is right. Some feel you have to "work" for salvation. From what i've read. all you need is FAITH. Some people believe that when Jesus talked of Tithing that you have to give at least 10% of your gross pay. I believe Tithing 10% is not just from money you earn (many can't afford to give that much) but it is also a portion of your time. It's not just money, it's volunteering, giving to charities, whatever you can do to help others and grow the kingdom of God. All denominations probably have some things right and some things wrong. But if all of them are doing their best at following Gods laws the best they know how, and have God in their hearts, it's not going to matter. Like i said before, God knows what's in our hearts and minds. We're all going to be ok!!!!

Your absolutely right, we will "ALL" be ok.

Yes...i really believe, and hope i'm right, that all good people will be ok. It's very hard for me to believe that even though a person does not confess that they're Christian, but they are GOOD people...doing good helping others, contributing to Charities, go by the laws (or 10 commandments), treat others with respect, that they will not go to Heaven! I pray everyday that they do. My parents were loving, caring, supportive....i don't know of anything that they really did wrong. But, they were not confessed Christians. My mother never belonged to a church that i know of, but she was the best. My dad was raised in a very strict Baptist church and once an adult he never went back. But he was the best....i can not believe that they would go to hell just because of these things.

Would love to know what you're basing this assertion on, other than wishful thinking.

 

[Big Hoss]

Actually they believe Satan and Eve had Cain which was the father of the Jews they believe they are the true Israelites there are videos and books you can read to learn more about it if you so choose.

 

[Free Thinker]

The so- called "Christian Identity" Movement should be avoided at all costs. They have completely and shamelessly perverted the Biblical teachings. It is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to justify Racism and anti-Jewish hatred with Christianity. It is truly disturbing. The so- called "Christian Identity" Movement is completely out of touch with the humble teachings of Jesus. The only reason Big Loss likes it is for the blatant bigotry.

 

[whitehall]

Anyone familiar with it? I find it fascinating even though its Religion,I don't believe in it just know people who do and are my friends....religion to me is just an opiat for our pathetic lives...

All this fascination the left seems to have with Christian beliefs these days sits a little funny with people who are old enough to remember the socialist nationalists fascination with Jewish identity.

 

[BolshevikHunter]

I never understood the Christian Indentity movement. Even back when I was way more extreme, young and ignorant. A movement that hates Jews, but worships their God? It's just another form of organized bullshit for profit if you ask me. Go outside tonight (if it's a clear night that is). Look up, and you will see God. ~BH

They hate Jews but worship one. Can't get more inconsistant than that.

Organized religion doesn't mean profit.

If it doesn't mean profit (Like I said, not saying all of them at all), then what does it mean bro? ~BH

 

[Caroljo]

Your absolutely right, we will "ALL" be ok.

Yes...i really believe, and hope i'm right, that all good people will be ok. It's very hard for me to believe that even though a person does not confess that they're Christian, but they are GOOD people...doing good helping others, contributing to Charities, go by the laws (or 10 commandments), treat others with respect, that they will not go to Heaven! I pray everyday that they do. My parents were loving, caring, supportive....i don't know of anything that they really did wrong. But, they were not confessed Christians. My mother never belonged to a church that i know of, but she was the best. My dad was raised in a very strict Baptist church and once an adult he never went back. But he was the best....i can not believe that they would go to hell just because of these things.

Would love to know what you're basing this assertion on, other than wishful thinking.

Yes, you're probably right...it is wishful thinking. I'm not all knowing ...like i said, many denominations have different beliefs when it comes to death. Some say you MUST ask God to come into your life and be saved before you die or you'll go to hell. They say it doesn't matter how good of a person you are, if you don't believe in God you have no chance when you die. This is so hard for me to believe that my all knowing and loving God would send people like this to hell to suffer forever! But i don't know...nobody will ever know for sure until their dead too!
Not all beliefs (other religions or other denominations) can all be right...someone is going to end up being wrong in the end. This is why i do what i feel is right, according to what i've learned from the word of God, by my prayers & Gods answers. Not by what a person tells me I should believe. I may end up being wrong, but i'm doing what i feel is right.

 

[Cecilie1200]

As a Christian, I do not buy anything made in China because: 1) The gov't forces women to get an abortion if they already have one child. 2) The gov't persecutes Christians. 3) The gov't persecutes those who want democracy. 4) The gov't supports other dictatorships. 5) Communists are dedicated to ruling the world.

And starving them of money so that they remain an impoverished third-world country is going to help those problems how?

 

[spectrumc01]

Anyone familiar with it? I find it fascinating even though its Religion,I don't believe in it just know people who do and are my friends....religion to me is just an opiat for our pathetic lives...

I find it interesting how fractured the christian religion really is, yet all claim the bible as their holy book. There seem to be many forms, sects, or denominations of christianity, yet when you ask someone they will respond, "I'm a Christian". They will not say I'm a Protestant, Catholic, Baptist or Methodist. I wonder why that is?

Because unless you are a Christian, it won't make much difference to you which denomination they are. And the Christianity is more important than which flavor it is.

It makes a huge difference which "flavor" it is. For example it obviously makes a difference to the Protestants and Catholics in Ireland. Martain Luther thought it was a huge deal as well. It makes a huge deal to those who leave organized christianity because we don't want to get sidetracked by the petty squabling about which christians are going to heaven and which ones aren't. It seems to be a given if you aren't Christian you can't get into heaven. These are just some of the reasons it is a big deal.

 

[spectrumc01]

I find it interesting how fractured the christian religion really is, yet all claim the bible as their holy book. There seem to be many forms, sects, or denominations of christianity, yet when you ask someone they will respond, "I'm a Christian". They will not say I'm a Protestant, Catholic, Baptist or Methodist. I wonder why that is?

I imagine it is because they think they are the ones correctly reading and interpreting the bible; they may not consider the other sects or denominations true Christians.

Depends on the denomination. Most Protestants are separated less by doctrinal differences than by style and heirarchical differences. I can promise you, for example, that you could attend a Baptist church and an Assembly of God church and they'd look exactly the same to you. I was raised in the AG church, and even I can't tell them apart.

If you can't tell the difference, why be seperate? Unless it is about who has the power and money?

 

[spectrumc01]

I guess it could lead to that and probably has...not all of us agree on how we interpret something. I love studying end times, but that's not all we study at all...you have to study the WHOLE bible. Yes, there's some pretty whacky people out there that call themselves christian and do some horrible things. That's not what Christianity is about and they are not true christians...they're being led by Satan...

That is a popular cop out. They did evil so obviously they aren't christians. I had a christian try and tell me that the inquisition and witch burnings were not committed by christians because true christians don't kill. Then in the next breath tell me about how all Muslims are Jihadists out to kill the infidels.

How is that a cop-out? Don't YOU normally make decisions about people based on their actions? Why is it a stretch to say, "If you do evil, you are not following Christ's teachings"?

Yes I do make descisions about others actions. This is how I came to the conclusions about christianity. In comparrison to the Christians and the inquisition, I compare the Germans to the Nazis. Can the German people claim now that the Nazis weren't actually Germans?