Can things appear out of nothing or nowhere?

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    Do you believe that things can appear out of nothing or out of nowhere?

    So, miracles.

    Jesus feeds the five thousand with five loaves and two fish.

    Clearly the math doesn't add up, which implies he got something out of nowhere.

    Jesus turns water into wine. Well something had to come out of nowhere to make that happen. Wine contains water, but also other stuff.

    Light appears out of nowhere "let there be light."

    Just some examples of something happening from nothing.


    Another argument is that God has to exist because how could the Earth just come from nothing?

    Well, if you believe in some of these miracles and you believe that something can appear out of nothing, then surely it could also be possible that the Earth, the universe, everything came from nothing.

    Also, where did God come from? Did he also come from nothing?
     
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    The explanations for the presence of the universe sound very close to everything coming from nothing.
     
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    the bible says so, so it must be true :rolleyes-41:
     
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    We should keep in mind that, be it 'spirituality' or quantum physics, we are dealing with things that language has great problems encompassing. Our vocabulary and references do not match the complexity of the subject(s).
     
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    Yep ...

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    The story is not about Jesus poofing fish sandwiches out of thin air.

    The story is about how Jesus taught such a large, pissed off, and skeptical crowd what he learned from God to their satisfaction with only seven followers represented by five loaves and two fish and ending up with twelve disciples in the process, represented by 12 baskets full of "uneaten pieces", things that the rest of the people could not swallow.

    A miracle!
     
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    As science is telling us that 'matter' isn't really what it seems, but rather just concentrations of energy (not solid in the sense of how we perceive things), what appears to us is best described as illusion. It isn't that it doesn't exist or is false, just that interposing our way of seeing doesn't explain 'reality'. The capacity for the 'energy soup' that makes up the universe to produce what it does has yet to receive an explanation we can digest. Thus, we have to say we don't know, and that 'something coming from nothing' may just be the way it seems to us.
     
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    Yup. We just don't know. Yet. And we may not know during our lifetimes.

    That really is okay. That doesn't mean we're flawed or dumb. We just don't know yet.

    If a person is desperate for this answer NOW, they can invent something if they wish. Humans have always done that. That doesn't make it true.
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    We simply do not have the language, the symbols, or the logic to comprehend and competently explain how the universe came into being.

    OP is fun to discuss, but it is not important.
     
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    The OP is a question based on the premise that there was something supernatural about the miracle of the multiplication of the loaves.

    Its not important only if you don't care what the story is actually about.

    You might as well argue about whether inanimate objects can come to life based on the story of Pinocchio.

    For me that wouldn't be very much fun. It would be a monumental waste of time that misses the point and teaching of the story completely....
     
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