California Results Suggest Economic Sanctions on Local Businesses Do Not Fight Against COVID

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The most draconian measures in the fight against COVID have been implemented repeatedly in California and New York, yet California currently has the highest case rate in the country, with someone dying of the virus every ten minutes in LA County alone. This is despite the fact that harsh economic shut downs have been in affect for weeks throughout the state and the case and death rate is only getting worse.

One person is dying from Covid-19 every 10 minutes in Los Angeles County | CNN

Los Angeles County public health officials reported 148 new Covid-19 deaths on Thursday, the second day in a row that the county reported its highest number of new deaths.

www.cnn.com

Los Angeles County records its 10,000th COVID-19 death

County officials have been concerned about the risk of strokes, heart attacks and seizures among patient waiting in ambulances outside of hospitals

www.latimes.com

 

[Natural Citizen]

Well, the other counties across the nation aren't experiencing anything of this magnitude, so its insignificant.

That's the model we're using these days. Right?

 

[Indeependent]

The most draconian measures in the fight against COVID have been implemented repeatedly in California and New York, yet California currently has the highest case rate in the country, with someone dying of the virus every ten minutes in LA County alone. This is despite the fact that harsh economic shut downs have been in affect for weeks throughout the state and the case and death rate is only getting worse.

One person is dying from Covid-19 every 10 minutes in Los Angeles County | CNN

Los Angeles County public health officials reported 148 new Covid-19 deaths on Thursday, the second day in a row that the county reported its highest number of new deaths.

www.cnn.com

Los Angeles County records its 10,000th COVID-19 death

County officials have been concerned about the risk of strokes, heart attacks and seizures among patient waiting in ambulances outside of hospitals

www.latimes.com

Why do you complain when You vote D?

 

[martybegan]

The most draconian measures in the fight against COVID have been implemented repeatedly in California and New York, yet California currently has the highest case rate in the country, with someone dying of the virus every ten minutes in LA County alone. This is despite the fact that harsh economic shut downs have been in affect for weeks throughout the state and the case and death rate is only getting worse.

One person is dying from Covid-19 every 10 minutes in Los Angeles County | CNN

Los Angeles County public health officials reported 148 new Covid-19 deaths on Thursday, the second day in a row that the county reported its highest number of new deaths.

www.cnn.com

Los Angeles County records its 10,000th COVID-19 death

County officials have been concerned about the risk of strokes, heart attacks and seizures among patient waiting in ambulances outside of hospitals

www.latimes.com

What I want to know is why aren't we seeing the age group information on mortality or illness severity anymore?

 

[G.T.]

In a vacuum, this would be an objective analysis but this isn't occurring in a vacuum. Population density matters while mitigation does help - both things can be true at once - as well as there being no analysis regarding what it would be like with NO measures, for comparison, in a like-dense population.

This is just stuff for people to bitch about, in other words. Nobody has the right answers regarding Covid. It's novel.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Why do you complain when You vote D?

Who you believe I vote for is not the topic of the thread.

 

[G.T.]

The most draconian measures in the fight against COVID have been implemented repeatedly in California and New York, yet California currently has the highest case rate in the country, with someone dying of the virus every ten minutes in LA County alone. This is despite the fact that harsh economic shut downs have been in affect for weeks throughout the state and the case and death rate is only getting worse.

One person is dying from Covid-19 every 10 minutes in Los Angeles County | CNN

Los Angeles County public health officials reported 148 new Covid-19 deaths on Thursday, the second day in a row that the county reported its highest number of new deaths.

www.cnn.com

Los Angeles County records its 10,000th COVID-19 death

County officials have been concerned about the risk of strokes, heart attacks and seizures among patient waiting in ambulances outside of hospitals

www.latimes.com

What I want to know is why aren't we seeing the age group information on mortality or illness severity anymore?

Why do you want to know something you're wrong about? This was last updated yesterday.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

 

[martybegan]

In a vacuum, this would be an objective analysis but this isn't occurring in a vacuum. Population density matters while mitigation does help - both things can be true at once - as well as there being no analysis regarding what it would be like with NO measures, for comparison, in a like-dense population.

This is just stuff for people to bitch about, in other words. Nobody has the right answers regarding Covid. It's novel.

Yet these governments claim their actions are "science based" and anyone questioning them questions science.

What science tells you a Bar open at 9 PM is somehow more dangerous than a Bar open at 11 PM?

What science says a Church has to be limited to 10 or 25 people, but another similar gathering indoors can be allowed up to 25% of listed building/fire code capacity?

 

[martybegan]

The most draconian measures in the fight against COVID have been implemented repeatedly in California and New York, yet California currently has the highest case rate in the country, with someone dying of the virus every ten minutes in LA County alone. This is despite the fact that harsh economic shut downs have been in affect for weeks throughout the state and the case and death rate is only getting worse.

One person is dying from Covid-19 every 10 minutes in Los Angeles County | CNN

Los Angeles County public health officials reported 148 new Covid-19 deaths on Thursday, the second day in a row that the county reported its highest number of new deaths.

www.cnn.com

Los Angeles County records its 10,000th COVID-19 death

County officials have been concerned about the risk of strokes, heart attacks and seizures among patient waiting in ambulances outside of hospitals

www.latimes.com

What I want to know is why aren't we seeing the age group information on mortality or illness severity anymore?

Why do you want to know something you're wrong about? This was last updated yesterday.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

By "seeing" I mean being blasted about by the media as part of their news stories.

Going to CDC and looking for it isn't something your average person is going to do.

 

[G.T.]

In a vacuum, this would be an objective analysis but this isn't occurring in a vacuum. Population density matters while mitigation does help - both things can be true at once - as well as there being no analysis regarding what it would be like with NO measures, for comparison, in a like-dense population.

This is just stuff for people to bitch about, in other words. Nobody has the right answers regarding Covid. It's novel.

Yet these governments claim their actions are "science based" and anyone questioning them questions science.

What science tells you a Bar open at 9 PM is somehow more dangerous than a Bar open at 11 PM?

What science says a Church has to be limited to 10 or 25 people, but another similar gathering indoors can be allowed up to 25% of listed building/fire code capacity?

You aren't objective enough to even have this discussion with. Of course they're making mistakes, and also making good calls. It's a novel time for the Country. Thumbing your nose from your high-speed internet on a daily basis is "1st world problems," it's like cry me a fuckin river you persecuted victims.

 

[Indeependent]

Why do you complain when You vote D?

Who you believe I vote for is not the topic of the thread.

I'm not trying to be argumentative.
I will usually vote R for local representatives because I know they won't raise my local taxes..
I will vote D for State level because I don't want the highways and bridges to deteriorate.
But I know what I'm getting with each.

 

[martybegan]

In a vacuum, this would be an objective analysis but this isn't occurring in a vacuum. Population density matters while mitigation does help - both things can be true at once - as well as there being no analysis regarding what it would be like with NO measures, for comparison, in a like-dense population.

This is just stuff for people to bitch about, in other words. Nobody has the right answers regarding Covid. It's novel.

Yet these governments claim their actions are "science based" and anyone questioning them questions science.

What science tells you a Bar open at 9 PM is somehow more dangerous than a Bar open at 11 PM?

What science says a Church has to be limited to 10 or 25 people, but another similar gathering indoors can be allowed up to 25% of listed building/fire code capacity?

You aren't objective enough to even have this discussion with. Of course they're making mistakes, and also making good calls. It's a novel time for the Country. Thumbing your nose from your high-speed internet on a daily basis is "1st world problems," it's like cry me a fuckin river you persecuted victims.

Their mistakes ruin people's lives. And you didn't answer my two questions.

 

[meaner gene]

The most draconian measures in the fight against COVID have been implemented repeatedly in California and New York, yet California currently has the highest case rate in the country, with someone dying of the virus every ten minutes in LA County alone. This is despite the fact that harsh economic shut downs have been in affect for weeks throughout the state and the case and death rate is only getting worse.

Now for the flip side. Where restrictions have worked, take North Dakota, a perfect petri dish for the experiment.

What Places Are Hardest Hit by the Coronavirus? It Depends on the Measure (Published 2020)

By different metrics, all sorts of locations in the United States are deeply troubling, from Minot, N.D., to New York City.

www.nytimes.com

It is not immediately obvious in Minot, a city of 47,000 that is known for its Air Force base, that a spike of virus cases is unfolding. Schools are proceeding in person and indoor dining, though limited, is still allowed.

Then came the crackdown

North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum has announced an extension to a statewide mask mandate and restrictions on public-facing businesses as the state begins to reign in its once worst-in-the-nation COVID-19 outbreak.

And the result a month later


ZERO deaths, 287 new COVID-19 cases in ND; active cases ...
https://www.kxnet.com › news › local-news › zero-deat...

Dec 13, 2020 — ZERO deaths, 287 new COVID-19 cases in ND; active cases statewide are 3,692 ... B-52s from Minot AFB fly to Persian Gulf to caution Iran ...

 

[G.T.]

The most draconian measures in the fight against COVID have been implemented repeatedly in California and New York, yet California currently has the highest case rate in the country, with someone dying of the virus every ten minutes in LA County alone. This is despite the fact that harsh economic shut downs have been in affect for weeks throughout the state and the case and death rate is only getting worse.

Now for the flip side. Where restrictions have worked, take North Dakota, a perfect petri dish for the experiment.

What Places Are Hardest Hit by the Coronavirus? It Depends on the Measure (Published 2020)

By different metrics, all sorts of locations in the United States are deeply troubling, from Minot, N.D., to New York City.

www.nytimes.com

It is not immediately obvious in Minot, a city of 47,000 that is known for its Air Force base, that a spike of virus cases is unfolding. Schools are proceeding in person and indoor dining, though limited, is still allowed.

Then came the crackdown

North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum has announced an extension to a statewide mask mandate and restrictions on public-facing businesses as the state begins to reign in its once worst-in-the-nation COVID-19 outbreak.

And the result a month later


ZERO deaths, 287 new COVID-19 cases in ND; active cases ...
https://www.kxnet.com › news › local-news › zero-deat...

Dec 13, 2020 — ZERO deaths, 287 new COVID-19 cases in ND; active cases statewide are 3,692 ... B-52s from Minot AFB fly to Persian Gulf to caution Iran ...

Mitigation was proven in NY over the late Spring, as well -

Then, we were able to slowly re-open.

Then, the summer surge in "we dunn need no stinkinnn science red states" brought the surges right back to us, and now we're teetering between all of our localities between staying open, and pocketed shut downs because folks' livelihoods are having to be considered, as well.

There was no one size fits all magic right answer during this shit...and the neenering from the internet can be really pathetic sometimes.

 

[martybegan]

The most draconian measures in the fight against COVID have been implemented repeatedly in California and New York, yet California currently has the highest case rate in the country, with someone dying of the virus every ten minutes in LA County alone. This is despite the fact that harsh economic shut downs have been in affect for weeks throughout the state and the case and death rate is only getting worse.

Now for the flip side. Where restrictions have worked, take North Dakota, a perfect petri dish for the experiment.

What Places Are Hardest Hit by the Coronavirus? It Depends on the Measure (Published 2020)

By different metrics, all sorts of locations in the United States are deeply troubling, from Minot, N.D., to New York City.

www.nytimes.com

It is not immediately obvious in Minot, a city of 47,000 that is known for its Air Force base, that a spike of virus cases is unfolding. Schools are proceeding in person and indoor dining, though limited, is still allowed.

Then came the crackdown

North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum has announced an extension to a statewide mask mandate and restrictions on public-facing businesses as the state begins to reign in its once worst-in-the-nation COVID-19 outbreak.

And the result a month later


ZERO deaths, 287 new COVID-19 cases in ND; active cases ...
https://www.kxnet.com › news › local-news › zero-deat...

Dec 13, 2020 — ZERO deaths, 287 new COVID-19 cases in ND; active cases statewide are 3,692 ... B-52s from Minot AFB fly to Persian Gulf to caution Iran ...

Mitigation was proven in NY over the late Spring, as well -

Then, we were able to slowly re-open.

Then, the summer surge in "we dunn need no stinkinnn science red states" brought the surges right back to us, and now we're teetering between all of our localities between staying open, and pocketed shut downs because folks' livelihoods are having to be considered, as well.

There was no one size fits all magic right answer during this shit...and the neenering from the internet can be really pathetic sometimes.


View attachment 435473

Can you prove that outsiders caused anything to change in NY?

No? Of course you can't.

 

[Agit8r]

The most draconian measures in the fight against COVID have been implemented repeatedly in California and New York, yet California currently has the highest case rate in the country, with someone dying of the virus every ten minutes in LA County alone. This is despite the fact that harsh economic shut downs have been in affect for weeks throughout the state and the case and death rate is only getting worse.

One person is dying from Covid-19 every 10 minutes in Los Angeles County | CNN

Los Angeles County public health officials reported 148 new Covid-19 deaths on Thursday, the second day in a row that the county reported its highest number of new deaths.

www.cnn.com

Los Angeles County records its 10,000th COVID-19 death

County officials have been concerned about the risk of strokes, heart attacks and seizures among patient waiting in ambulances outside of hospitals

www.latimes.com

California has a death rate of 643 per million,

Well below the national average of 1061 per million.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

 

[G.T.]

The most draconian measures in the fight against COVID have been implemented repeatedly in California and New York, yet California currently has the highest case rate in the country, with someone dying of the virus every ten minutes in LA County alone. This is despite the fact that harsh economic shut downs have been in affect for weeks throughout the state and the case and death rate is only getting worse.

Now for the flip side. Where restrictions have worked, take North Dakota, a perfect petri dish for the experiment.

What Places Are Hardest Hit by the Coronavirus? It Depends on the Measure (Published 2020)

By different metrics, all sorts of locations in the United States are deeply troubling, from Minot, N.D., to New York City.

www.nytimes.com

It is not immediately obvious in Minot, a city of 47,000 that is known for its Air Force base, that a spike of virus cases is unfolding. Schools are proceeding in person and indoor dining, though limited, is still allowed.

Then came the crackdown

North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum has announced an extension to a statewide mask mandate and restrictions on public-facing businesses as the state begins to reign in its once worst-in-the-nation COVID-19 outbreak.

And the result a month later


ZERO deaths, 287 new COVID-19 cases in ND; active cases ...
https://www.kxnet.com › news › local-news › zero-deat...

Dec 13, 2020 — ZERO deaths, 287 new COVID-19 cases in ND; active cases statewide are 3,692 ... B-52s from Minot AFB fly to Persian Gulf to caution Iran ...

Mitigation was proven in NY over the late Spring, as well -

Then, we were able to slowly re-open.

Then, the summer surge in "we dunn need no stinkinnn science red states" brought the surges right back to us, and now we're teetering between all of our localities between staying open, and pocketed shut downs because folks' livelihoods are having to be considered, as well.

There was no one size fits all magic right answer during this shit...and the neenering from the internet can be really pathetic sometimes.


View attachment 435473

Can you prove that outsiders caused anything to change in NY?

No? Of course you can't.

It's called deductive inference. Maybe you need to take a class on it...

The cases were going down and staying down in NY

NY re-opened.

The cases sky rocketed elsewhere in the Country...


There were no travel bans to NY.

NYC is a center of commerce for much of the World, let alone the Country.

ipso, facto, einstein.

 

[Lesh]

This is like saying "We put a ban on campfires...why isn't that out of control forest fire stopping?"

Once it gets out of control...it's out of control...

Dumfuks

 

[BrokeLoser]

The most draconian measures in the fight against COVID have been implemented repeatedly in California and New York, yet California currently has the highest case rate in the country, with someone dying of the virus every ten minutes in LA County alone. This is despite the fact that harsh economic shut downs have been in affect for weeks throughout the state and the case and death rate is only getting worse.

One person is dying from Covid-19 every 10 minutes in Los Angeles County | CNN

Los Angeles County public health officials reported 148 new Covid-19 deaths on Thursday, the second day in a row that the county reported its highest number of new deaths.

www.cnn.com

Los Angeles County records its 10,000th COVID-19 death

County officials have been concerned about the risk of strokes, heart attacks and seizures among patient waiting in ambulances outside of hospitals

www.latimes.com

California has a death rate of 643 per million,

Well below the national average of 1061 per million.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

The most draconian measures in the fight against COVID have been implemented repeatedly in California and New York, yet California currently has the highest case rate in the country, with someone dying of the virus every ten minutes in LA County alone. This is despite the fact that harsh economic shut downs have been in affect for weeks throughout the state and the case and death rate is only getting worse.

Now for the flip side. Where restrictions have worked, take North Dakota, a perfect petri dish for the experiment.

What Places Are Hardest Hit by the Coronavirus? It Depends on the Measure (Published 2020)

By different metrics, all sorts of locations in the United States are deeply troubling, from Minot, N.D., to New York City.

www.nytimes.com

It is not immediately obvious in Minot, a city of 47,000 that is known for its Air Force base, that a spike of virus cases is unfolding. Schools are proceeding in person and indoor dining, though limited, is still allowed.

Then came the crackdown

North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum has announced an extension to a statewide mask mandate and restrictions on public-facing businesses as the state begins to reign in its once worst-in-the-nation COVID-19 outbreak.

And the result a month later


ZERO deaths, 287 new COVID-19 cases in ND; active cases ...
https://www.kxnet.com › news › local-news › zero-deat...

Dec 13, 2020 — ZERO deaths, 287 new COVID-19 cases in ND; active cases statewide are 3,692 ... B-52s from Minot AFB fly to Persian Gulf to caution Iran ...

Mitigation was proven in NY over the late Spring, as well -

Then, we were able to slowly re-open.

Then, the summer surge in "we dunn need no stinkinnn science red states" brought the surges right back to us, and now we're teetering between all of our localities between staying open, and pocketed shut downs because folks' livelihoods are having to be considered, as well.

There was no one size fits all magic right answer during this shit...and the neenering from the internet can be really pathetic sometimes.


View attachment 435473

Can you prove that outsiders caused anything to change in NY?

No? Of course you can't.

It's called deductive inference. Maybe you need to take a class on it...

The cases were going down and staying down in NY

NY re-opened.

The cases sky rocketed elsewhere in the Country...


There were no travel bans to NY.

NYC is a center of commerce for much of the World, let alone the Country.

ipso, facto, einstein.

This is like saying "We put a ban on campfires...why isn't that out of control forest fire stopping?"

Once it gets out of control...it's out of control...

Dumfuks

What would Covid rates in Mexifornia look like if their 10 million illegal human cockroaches weren't there?

In alarming shift, Latinos getting coronavirus at more than double rate of whites in L.A. County

Latino residents were nearly three times as likely, and Black residents nearly twice as likely, to be hospitalized with COVID-19 as white residents.

www.latimes.com

 

[Agit8r]

The most draconian measures in the fight against COVID have been implemented repeatedly in California and New York, yet California currently has the highest case rate in the country, with someone dying of the virus every ten minutes in LA County alone. This is despite the fact that harsh economic shut downs have been in affect for weeks throughout the state and the case and death rate is only getting worse.

One person is dying from Covid-19 every 10 minutes in Los Angeles County | CNN

Los Angeles County public health officials reported 148 new Covid-19 deaths on Thursday, the second day in a row that the county reported its highest number of new deaths.

www.cnn.com

Los Angeles County records its 10,000th COVID-19 death

County officials have been concerned about the risk of strokes, heart attacks and seizures among patient waiting in ambulances outside of hospitals

www.latimes.com

California has a death rate of 643 per million,

Well below the national average of 1061 per million.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

The most draconian measures in the fight against COVID have been implemented repeatedly in California and New York, yet California currently has the highest case rate in the country, with someone dying of the virus every ten minutes in LA County alone. This is despite the fact that harsh economic shut downs have been in affect for weeks throughout the state and the case and death rate is only getting worse.

Now for the flip side. Where restrictions have worked, take North Dakota, a perfect petri dish for the experiment.

What Places Are Hardest Hit by the Coronavirus? It Depends on the Measure (Published 2020)

By different metrics, all sorts of locations in the United States are deeply troubling, from Minot, N.D., to New York City.

www.nytimes.com

It is not immediately obvious in Minot, a city of 47,000 that is known for its Air Force base, that a spike of virus cases is unfolding. Schools are proceeding in person and indoor dining, though limited, is still allowed.

Then came the crackdown

North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum has announced an extension to a statewide mask mandate and restrictions on public-facing businesses as the state begins to reign in its once worst-in-the-nation COVID-19 outbreak.

And the result a month later


ZERO deaths, 287 new COVID-19 cases in ND; active cases ...
https://www.kxnet.com › news › local-news › zero-deat...

Dec 13, 2020 — ZERO deaths, 287 new COVID-19 cases in ND; active cases statewide are 3,692 ... B-52s from Minot AFB fly to Persian Gulf to caution Iran ...

Mitigation was proven in NY over the late Spring, as well -

Then, we were able to slowly re-open.

Then, the summer surge in "we dunn need no stinkinnn science red states" brought the surges right back to us, and now we're teetering between all of our localities between staying open, and pocketed shut downs because folks' livelihoods are having to be considered, as well.

There was no one size fits all magic right answer during this shit...and the neenering from the internet can be really pathetic sometimes.


View attachment 435473

Can you prove that outsiders caused anything to change in NY?

No? Of course you can't.

It's called deductive inference. Maybe you need to take a class on it...

The cases were going down and staying down in NY

NY re-opened.

The cases sky rocketed elsewhere in the Country...


There were no travel bans to NY.

NYC is a center of commerce for much of the World, let alone the Country.

ipso, facto, einstein.

This is like saying "We put a ban on campfires...why isn't that out of control forest fire stopping?"

Once it gets out of control...it's out of control...

Dumfuks

What would Covid rates in Mexifornia look like if their 10 million illegal human cockroaches weren't there?

In alarming shift, Latinos getting coronavirus at more than double rate of whites in L.A. County

Latino residents were nearly three times as likely, and Black residents nearly twice as likely, to be hospitalized with COVID-19 as white residents.

www.latimes.com

Actually, Trumpian Plague is spread by ICE facilities.