California Begins Gun Confiscation

[jon_berzerk]

California Begins Gun Confiscation

Wearing bulletproof vests and carrying 40-caliber Glock pistols, nine California Justice Department agents assembled outside a ranch-style house in a suburb east of Los Angeles. They were looking for a gun owner who’d recently spent two days in a mental hospital.
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Special Agent Supervisor John Marsh who coordinates the operations around California, said: “We’re not contacting anybody who can legally own a gun. The only people we’re contacting are people who are prohibited from owning guns.” Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg
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Weapons and ammunition seized from the home of Lynette and David Philllips by agents with the California Department of Justice police in Upland, California. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg
Enlarge image Lynette and David Phillips

Lynette Phillips, 48, and her husband, David Phillips, 51, sit in their home in Upland, California on March 5, 2013. Lynette, a nurse, had to surrender three guns after spending two days in a mental hospital in December. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg
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Weapons with ammunition seized from the home of Lynette and David Phillips by agents with the California Department of Justice police in Upland, California. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg
Enlarge image California Raiders Seize Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

California Department of Justice police agents walk towards a house near Ontario, California on March 5, 2013. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg
Enlarge image Special Agent Supervisor John Marsh

Special Agent Supervisor John Marsh with the California Department of Justice drives out to seize illegal firearms near Ontario, California on March 5, 2013. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg

They knocked on the door and asked to come in. About 45 minutes later, they came away peacefully with three firearms.

California is the only state that tracks and disarms people with legally registered guns who have lost the right to own them, according to Attorney General Kamala Harris. Almost 20,000 gun owners in the state are prohibited from possessing firearms, including convicted felons, those under a domestic violence restraining order or deemed mentally unstable.

“What do we do about the guns that are already in the hands of persons who, by law, are considered too dangerous to possess them?” Harris said in a letter to Vice President Joe Biden after a Connecticut school shooting in December left 26 dead. She recommended that Biden, heading a White House review of gun policy, consider California as a national model.

As many as 200,000 people nationwide may no longer be qualified to own firearms, according to Garen Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis. Other states may lack confiscation programs because they don’t track purchases as closely as California, which requires most weapons sales go through a licensed dealer and be reported.

“Very, very few states have an archive of firearm owners like we have,” said Wintemute, who helped set up the program. ​

California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms - Bloomberg

Well........it's started.

Hope you've made whatever arrangements you can make.

First the excuses will seem rational but eventually they will start dreaming up more and more excuses to seize our guns. It's hard to imagine what excuse they'll come up with to take them but the goal is to make private gun ownership a thing of the past.

why was she committed

was she adjudicated through the civil court system

is there more information

on what happened

sometimes firearms have to be taken away from some people

 

[jon_berzerk]

after further review of the article

it seems that the case mentioned is inappropriate

and violation of the due process laws

and the Constitution

and is a prime example of how registration = confiscation

 

[JakeStarkey]

Special Agent Supervisor John Marsh who coordinates the operations around California, said: “We’re not contacting anybody who can legally own a gun. The only people we’re contacting are people who are prohibited from owning guns.”

 

[jon_berzerk]

Special Agent Supervisor John Marsh who coordinates the operations around California, said: “We’re not contacting anybody who can legally own a gun. The only people we’re contacting are people who are prohibited from owning guns.”

that is an obvious lie on his part

the husband in the article

is not barred from owning a firearm yet

his was yanked as well

 

[JakeStarkey]

The LEO are within their legal right to remove firearms from a dwelling where one who cannot own them.

Keep New Town in mind, please.

 

[mudwhistle]

This is the sort of thing you folks are looking for..

And as for tribal? Conservatives take the cake.

Sorry for you that our worst fears turn out to be true.

REally burns your ass, doesn't it?

What worst fears?

You folks being tribal?

Yeah..it's a little scary.

Racist.

I see you're trying to deflect.

Good to see you know you're losing the argument. The police should have to go in front of a judge and state probable cause. Having a "no-gun" list is unconstitutional.

It should be more than a simple mark on your record that triggers a seizure. It should be a well documented history of violence or irrational behavior. Not simply being treated for depression or stress. The unintended consequences are unimaginable. Cops could put you on 'the list' for an angry exchange in a traffic accident. An angry spouse could fuck over an ex simply by swearing out a warrant on him or her. A lib neighbor could have the cops arresting a conservative neighbor on the flimsiest provocation."He has a gun and threatened me!!!"

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I suppose we should wait until those folks shoot a bunch of kids in the face.

Only way to be sure.

there it is folks..Government gets to choose what rights you have

Well I suppose we could become like Somalia or Afghanistan. Where it's guns a plenty and no restrictions on who has them..or how they get used.

It would only be a problem in the inner cities. The rest of us seem to manage going all our lives without shooting someone. I know,amazing right?

 

[rightwinger]

I think everyone has at one time or another been accused of being a little crazy.

yes, we have...

Most of us don't get locked up in psych hospitals, though.

So being treated for depression is probable cause now?

I think it advisable for those being treated for depression not be around guns for a while

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

No, meaning anyone who thinks he needs a gun to fight the government or shoot those hoards of criminals they think are hiding in the bushes.

Here's the problem- the top two reasons you jokers give for why you need a gun are silly.

You'll never be able to effectively take on the government (They'll always have bigger, better guns) and a gun in the home is far more likely to kill a person in the home than a bad guy.

The fact that you guys think that crazy people should have guns because, hey, someone might accuse you of being crazy some day, kind of proves their point.

It is absolute insanity that crazy people have such easy access to weapons.

Problem is in this case the woman wasn't crazy. There's the rub. You don't have to be crazy, just be accused of being crazy.

All it takes is some low-life swearing out a warrant on you or signing some document on you and you're fucked.

She was sufficiently whacked enough to be confined to a mental hospital for a couple of days.

And frankly, if someone swears out a warrent on you, you've probably done something to deserve it.

The only time I've filed a legal complaint on anyone in my life was after everything else I tried failed, and my lawyer told me I had no choice. I can't imagine anyone does this frivolously.

You must live a very sheltered life. The courts are packed with frivolous lawsuits. Some of them in retaliation for real or imagined wrongs.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Common sense and the law This is not frivolous, and it is frivolous to suggest so.

 

[t_polkow]

That's some scary stuff..We have come full circle with our rights being stripped

Oh the humanity! Lunatics having their guns taken away!!! When will all this craziness stop!

 

[mudwhistle]

She was sufficiently whacked enough to be confined to a mental hospital for a couple of days.

And frankly, if someone swears out a warrent on you, you've probably done something to deserve it.

The only time I've filed a legal complaint on anyone in my life was after everything else I tried failed, and my lawyer told me I had no choice. I can't imagine anyone does this frivolously.

You imbecile. I've already provided a perfect example where this happened to my wife and you're still talking shit.

STFU

That was your side of the story.

That's exactly the problem.

We had a tenant that was into suing for cash. 3 separate claims of harassment. We had several calls from the couple that lived beneath them about leaks and come to find out she and her boyfriend had drilled holes in the grout work in the bathtub. When we evicted them she picked a fight with my wife, started cursing her. Then she went down town and made a fake claim of assault. Had my wife arrested.

Yeah, that's our side of the story.

 

[mudwhistle]

yes, we have...

Most of us don't get locked up in psych hospitals, though.

So being treated for depression is probable cause now?

I think it advisable for those being treated for depression not be around guns for a while

You're crazy. Every Repug in the country would legally have to dispose of their guns last November.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The whole thing comes down to trust. If I could trust my gov not abuse this tactic I would be fine with it.
If he/she turns out to be bat shit crazy,confiscate the weapons. And give them fair market value for them.
Turns out they were just having an exceptionally bad day,give them back.
Not sure I have that much trust in my gov.

No scratch that...I know I dont have that much trust in my gov.

 

[t_polkow]

there it is folks..Government gets to choose what rights you have

Well I suppose we could become like Somalia or Afghanistan. Where it's guns a plenty and no restrictions on who has them..or how they get used.

It would only be a problem in the inner cities. The rest of us seem to manage going all our lives without shooting someone. I know,amazing right?

Its not all inner city violence

White Males are the Mass Shooters

The horrific mass murder at a movie theater in Colorado , another at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin , another at a manufacturer in Minneapolis in —and then the unthinkable nightmare at a Connecticut elementary school in December—are the latest in an epidemic of such gun violence over the last three decades. Since 1982, there have been at least 62 mass shootings* across the country, with the killings unfolding in 30 states from Massachusetts to Hawaii. Twenty-five of these mass shootings have occurred since 2006, and seven of them took place in 2012. .


White men are having a crisis of both aggrievement and entitlement. One need only look at the 2012 election season to see less brutal but equally mind-numbing examples of white men going mad because they are losing their power. The "Republican Meltdown" is a perfect example of men who previously had all the control escalating to madness when that control was lost.

Until the 1980s, when semi-random spree murders "inexplicably" became the province of young white men, there was no need for young white men to resort to this kind of thing. Whatever happened in society, they would be the winners. These days, it's still not the worst thing to be a white male -- not by a long shot -- but it's not nearly as cushy as it used to be. Women's rights have grown by leaps and bounds in the last 30 years. Marriage has become more advantageous to women than men since no-fault divorce and custody policy favoring women have become the norm. We have... (gasp)... a black president. If someone grew up indoctrinated into the God and Country of the White Man, it's easy to understand how regardless of personal circumstance, feelings of entitlement and superiority could already be on shaky ground. One need only look up any of the hundreds of "Men's Rights Movement" websites, which are often thinly veiled hate groups, to see examples of (usually white) men who seem to be feeling very emasculated and powerless.

Why Most Mass Murderers Are Privileged White Men

 

[mudwhistle]

Obamacare has a regulation that encourages your doctor to ask if you have any guns. If you're being treated for depression they can take your guns.

So if you're depressed and if you're a binge-eater they can take your guns?
If you are diagnosed with Anorexia they can they take your guns?

If you got a DUI they might take your guns.
If you're in the military and have been repeatedly deployed they might take your guns.
If you're going through a divorce they might take your guns.
If you buy a bottle of Xanax they might take your guns.

See what this could lead to?

No, of course not.

 

[SteadyMercury]

Come on guys the article says you're on the list for involuntary commitment to a mental institution. Not being depressed, not even being a bit batshit.

Stop acting like this is comparable to a frivolous lawsuit.

 

[TNHarley]

California Begins Gun Confiscation

Wearing bulletproof vests and carrying 40-caliber Glock pistols, nine California Justice Department agents assembled outside a ranch-style house in a suburb east of Los Angeles. They were looking for a gun owner who’d recently spent two days in a mental hospital.
Enlarge image California Raiders Seize Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

Special Agent Supervisor John Marsh who coordinates the operations around California, said: “We’re not contacting anybody who can legally own a gun. The only people we’re contacting are people who are prohibited from owning guns.” Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg
Enlarge image California Raiders Seize Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

Weapons and ammunition seized from the home of Lynette and David Philllips by agents with the California Department of Justice police in Upland, California. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg
Enlarge image Lynette and David Phillips

Lynette Phillips, 48, and her husband, David Phillips, 51, sit in their home in Upland, California on March 5, 2013. Lynette, a nurse, had to surrender three guns after spending two days in a mental hospital in December. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg
Enlarge image California Raiders Seize Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

Weapons with ammunition seized from the home of Lynette and David Phillips by agents with the California Department of Justice police in Upland, California. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg
Enlarge image California Raiders Seize Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

California Department of Justice police agents walk towards a house near Ontario, California on March 5, 2013. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg
Enlarge image Special Agent Supervisor John Marsh

Special Agent Supervisor John Marsh with the California Department of Justice drives out to seize illegal firearms near Ontario, California on March 5, 2013. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg

They knocked on the door and asked to come in. About 45 minutes later, they came away peacefully with three firearms.

California is the only state that tracks and disarms people with legally registered guns who have lost the right to own them, according to Attorney General Kamala Harris. Almost 20,000 gun owners in the state are prohibited from possessing firearms, including convicted felons, those under a domestic violence restraining order or deemed mentally unstable.

“What do we do about the guns that are already in the hands of persons who, by law, are considered too dangerous to possess them?” Harris said in a letter to Vice President Joe Biden after a Connecticut school shooting in December left 26 dead. She recommended that Biden, heading a White House review of gun policy, consider California as a national model.

As many as 200,000 people nationwide may no longer be qualified to own firearms, according to Garen Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis. Other states may lack confiscation programs because they don’t track purchases as closely as California, which requires most weapons sales go through a licensed dealer and be reported.

“Very, very few states have an archive of firearm owners like we have,” said Wintemute, who helped set up the program. ​

California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms - Bloomberg

Well........it's started.

Hope you've made whatever arrangements you can make.

First the excuses will seem rational but eventually they will start dreaming up more and more excuses to seize our guns. It's hard to imagine what excuse they'll come up with to take them but the goal is to make private gun ownership a thing of the past.

I honoestly think they did the right thing.. But I do see your point(the bolded)

 

[mudwhistle]

Well I suppose we could become like Somalia or Afghanistan. Where it's guns a plenty and no restrictions on who has them..or how they get used.

It would only be a problem in the inner cities. The rest of us seem to manage going all our lives without shooting someone. I know,amazing right?

Its not all inner city violence

White Males are the Mass Shooters

The horrific mass murder at a movie theater in Colorado , another at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin , another at a manufacturer in Minneapolis in —and then the unthinkable nightmare at a Connecticut elementary school in December—are the latest in an epidemic of such gun violence over the last three decades. Since 1982, there have been at least 62 mass shootings* across the country, with the killings unfolding in 30 states from Massachusetts to Hawaii. Twenty-five of these mass shootings have occurred since 2006, and seven of them took place in 2012. .


White men are having a crisis of both aggrievement and entitlement. One need only look at the 2012 election season to see less brutal but equally mind-numbing examples of white men going mad because they are losing their power. The "Republican Meltdown" is a perfect example of men who previously had all the control escalating to madness when that control was lost.

Until the 1980s, when semi-random spree murders "inexplicably" became the province of young white men, there was no need for young white men to resort to this kind of thing. Whatever happened in society, they would be the winners. These days, it's still not the worst thing to be a white male -- not by a long shot -- but it's not nearly as cushy as it used to be. Women's rights have grown by leaps and bounds in the last 30 years. Marriage has become more advantageous to women than men since no-fault divorce and custody policy favoring women have become the norm. We have... (gasp)... a black president. If someone grew up indoctrinated into the God and Country of the White Man, it's easy to understand how regardless of personal circumstance, feelings of entitlement and superiority could already be on shaky ground. One need only look up any of the hundreds of "Men's Rights Movement" websites, which are often thinly veiled hate groups, to see examples of (usually white) men who seem to be feeling very emasculated and powerless.

Why Most Mass Murderers Are Privileged White Men

John Lee Malvo
Matthew Muhammed
The VT shooter
Chris Dorner


STFU you racist pig fucker

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Well I suppose we could become like Somalia or Afghanistan. Where it's guns a plenty and no restrictions on who has them..or how they get used.

It would only be a problem in the inner cities. The rest of us seem to manage going all our lives without shooting someone. I know,amazing right?

Its not all inner city violence

White Males are the Mass Shooters

The horrific mass murder at a movie theater in Colorado , another at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin , another at a manufacturer in Minneapolis in —and then the unthinkable nightmare at a Connecticut elementary school in December—are the latest in an epidemic of such gun violence over the last three decades. Since 1982, there have been at least 62 mass shootings* across the country, with the killings unfolding in 30 states from Massachusetts to Hawaii. Twenty-five of these mass shootings have occurred since 2006, and seven of them took place in 2012. .


White men are having a crisis of both aggrievement and entitlement. One need only look at the 2012 election season to see less brutal but equally mind-numbing examples of white men going mad because they are losing their power. The "Republican Meltdown" is a perfect example of men who previously had all the control escalating to madness when that control was lost.

Until the 1980s, when semi-random spree murders "inexplicably" became the province of young white men, there was no need for young white men to resort to this kind of thing. Whatever happened in society, they would be the winners. These days, it's still not the worst thing to be a white male -- not by a long shot -- but it's not nearly as cushy as it used to be. Women's rights have grown by leaps and bounds in the last 30 years. Marriage has become more advantageous to women than men since no-fault divorce and custody policy favoring women have become the norm. We have... (gasp)... a black president. If someone grew up indoctrinated into the God and Country of the White Man, it's easy to understand how regardless of personal circumstance, feelings of entitlement and superiority could already be on shaky ground. One need only look up any of the hundreds of "Men's Rights Movement" websites, which are often thinly veiled hate groups, to see examples of (usually white) men who seem to be feeling very emasculated and powerless.

Why Most Mass Murderers Are Privileged White Men

So you're saying it's worse when the mentally ill kill compared to people who do it for drug money?
And besides way more people die because homie needs a fix then by mass shooters.