Calif.. always ahead of the curve...

[Polk]

Republicans absolutely control the purse strings in California. They have the power to veto any tax increase.

Do you just make shit up asshole? Republicans have not controlled Spending or Policy Decisions in Cai for almost 3 decades, even when they had a Rino Republican Governor, he had to pass anything he wanted through a Democrat Controlled Legislature.

You have earned a Neg Rep for your stupidity, or Dishonesty, which ever it is.

Neg rep me all you want, that doesn't change the fact that tax increases require 2/3rds in both chambers of the state legislature, which the Democrats haven't had since before Reagan was governor.

 

[Polk]

And since you mentioned three decades, it's worth pointing out that the Republicans have controlled the governor's mansion for vast majority of the last three decades. Starting with Deukmejian in 1983, the Republicans have held the governorship the entire period, except for 1999-2003 and 2011-present.

 

[Political Junky]

Always the leader in Trends.. here is another area..

A finer-grained regional analysis reveals that the main current of migration out of California in the past decade has flowed eastward across the Colorado River, reversing the storied passages of the Dust Bowl era.
Southern California had about 55 percent of the state’s population in 2000 but accounted for about 65 percent of the net out-migration in the decade that followed.
More than 70 percent of the state’s net migration to Texas came from California’s south.

A third factor is state and local governments’ constant fiscal instability, which sends at least two discouraging messages to businesses and individuals.
One is that they cannot count on state and local governments to provide essential services—much less, tax breaks or other incentives.
Second, chronically out-of-balance budgets can be seen as tax hikes waiting to happen.

States with low unemployment rates, such as Texas, are drawing people from California, whose rate is above the national average.
Taxation also appears to be a factor, especially as it contributes to the business climate and, in turn, jobs.

Most of the destination states favored by Californians have lower taxes. States that have gained the most at California’s expense are rated as having better business climates.
The data suggest that many cost drivers—taxes, regulations, the high price of housing and commercial real estate, costly electricity, union power, and high labor costs—are prompting businesses to locate outside California, thus helping to drive the exodus.


Civic Report 71 | The Great California Exodus: A Closer Look


WOW... taxes too high? Move!

Sour grapes?

Watch cons cheer for the failure of a state. How patriotic they are.

 

[Trajan]

That 2/3s will disappear soon and now they can pass a budget after the morons here passed the latest referundum, so, temporary taxes ( 7 years in Jerry's browns facile mind is "temporary ") and AB 32 will like my linked article alludes, turn the whole state into Detroit, or well, LA.

 

[Trajan]

And since you mentioned three decades, it's worth pointing out that the Republicans have controlled the governor's mansion for vast majority of the last three decades. Starting with Deukmejian in 1983, the Republicans have held the governorship the entire period, except for 1999-2003 and 2011-present.

I suggest a primer on how and when this state started going south big time.

Hers a nice article.....have a gander, notice anything in particular ?

Deukmejian Proposes Budget of $36.7 Billion : Balanced Spending Plan Puts Emphasis on Education, Toxic Cleanup, Prison Construction - Los Angeles Times



Annnnd-


But he balanced the state budget (after inheriting a hefty deficit from Brown in 1983), jump-started a huge prison construction program and kept his mouth shut when the FBI conducted an undercover sting investigation of Capitol corruption and asked him to veto the bogus bills that agents ran through the Legislature.

Read more here: Capitol Alert: Deukmejian says successors, legislators failed on budget

Capitol Alert: Deukmejian says successors, legislators failed on budget

 

[Trajan]

Always the leader in Trends.. here is another area..

A finer-grained regional analysis reveals that the main current of migration out of California in the past decade has flowed eastward across the Colorado River, reversing the storied passages of the Dust Bowl era.
Southern California had about 55 percent of the state’s population in 2000 but accounted for about 65 percent of the net out-migration in the decade that followed.
More than 70 percent of the state’s net migration to Texas came from California’s south.

A third factor is state and local governments’ constant fiscal instability, which sends at least two discouraging messages to businesses and individuals.
One is that they cannot count on state and local governments to provide essential services—much less, tax breaks or other incentives.
Second, chronically out-of-balance budgets can be seen as tax hikes waiting to happen.

States with low unemployment rates, such as Texas, are drawing people from California, whose rate is above the national average.
Taxation also appears to be a factor, especially as it contributes to the business climate and, in turn, jobs.

Most of the destination states
favored by Californians have lower taxes. States that have gained the most at California’s expense are rated as having better business climates.
The data suggest that many cost drivers—taxes, regulations, the high price of housing and commercial real estate, costly electricity, union power, and high labor costs—are prompting businesses to locate outside California, thus helping to drive the exodus.


Civic Report 71 | The Great California Exodus: A Closer Look


WOW... taxes too high? Move!

Sour grapes?

Watch cons cheer for the failure of a state. How patriotic they are.

Or Watch the jackass above make a stupid statement

 

[Polk]

And since you mentioned three decades, it's worth pointing out that the Republicans have controlled the governor's mansion for vast majority of the last three decades. Starting with Deukmejian in 1983, the Republicans have held the governorship the entire period, except for 1999-2003 and 2011-present.

I suggest a primer on how and when this state started going south big time.

Hers a nice article.....have a gander, notice anything in particular ?

Deukmejian Proposes Budget of $36.7 Billion : Balanced Spending Plan Puts Emphasis on Education, Toxic Cleanup, Prison Construction - Los Angeles Times



Annnnd-


But he balanced the state budget (after inheriting a hefty deficit from Brown in 1983), jump-started a huge prison construction program and kept his mouth shut when the FBI conducted an undercover sting investigation of Capitol corruption and asked him to veto the bogus bills that agents ran through the Legislature.

Read more here: Capitol Alert: Deukmejian says successors, legislators failed on budget

Capitol Alert: Deukmejian says successors, legislators failed on budget

Sure did. Right in the top of the first article too...

Deukmejian offered a balanced plan that would boost state spending by about $856 million over the current year, an increase of 2.2%, without raising taxes.

Deukmejian wanted to get the benefits of spending, but was unwilling to pay for it. Pretty typical of the GOP. Plenty of examples of the same behavior today (Christie, for starters).

 

[LeftofLeft]

those are people who came here and are now going back home

Illegals??

 

[Polk]

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Anyone here want to offer a plan for getting California out of this mess?

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How is it possible that a state that taxes the most is the most debt ridden state in the US? Raising taxes didn't help CA out of the mess. Why doesn't the state government become responsible?

I saw a great article here, Is California the next Detroit?

A great synopsis of where cali is going, it ain't pretty and it's pretty much irrefutable ......

The author sees what the problems are, but seems to miss the cause. Why is the state in constant deficit? Because the state constitution also makes it virtually impossible to raise taxes. Why is the state letting inmates out of jail? Because the voters have constantly passed ballot measures that pre-commit large portions of the state budget to other programs.

 

[Trajan]

And since you mentioned three decades, it's worth pointing out that the Republicans have controlled the governor's mansion for vast majority of the last three decades. Starting with Deukmejian in 1983, the Republicans have held the governorship the entire period, except for 1999-2003 and 2011-present.

I suggest a primer on how and when this state started going south big time.

Hers a nice article.....have a gander, notice anything in particular ?

Deukmejian Proposes Budget of $36.7 Billion : Balanced Spending Plan Puts Emphasis on Education, Toxic Cleanup, Prison Construction - Los Angeles Times



Annnnd-


But he balanced the state budget (after inheriting a hefty deficit from Brown in 1983), jump-started a huge prison construction program and kept his mouth shut when the FBI conducted an undercover sting investigation of Capitol corruption and asked him to veto the bogus bills that agents ran through the Legislature.

Read more here: Capitol Alert: Deukmejian says successors, legislators failed on budget

Capitol Alert: Deukmejian says successors, legislators failed on budget

Sure did. Right in the top of the first article too...

Deukmejian offered a balanced plan that would boost state spending by about $856 million over the current year, an increase of 2.2%, without raising taxes.

Deukmejian wanted to get the benefits of spending, but was unwilling to pay for it. Pretty typical of the GOP. Plenty of examples of the same behavior today (Christie, for starters).

He didn't want to tap the reserve, you missed it like I thought you would and took the cheap bait...

Do you need a primer on 'good borrowing'?

 

[Trajan]

How is it possible that a state that taxes the most is the most debt ridden state in the US? Raising taxes didn't help CA out of the mess. Why doesn't the state government become responsible?

I saw a great article here, Is California the next Detroit?

A great synopsis of where cali is going, it ain't pretty and it's pretty much irrefutable ......

The author sees what the problems are, but seems to miss the cause. Why is the state in constant deficit? Because the state constitution also makes it virtually impossible to raise taxes. Why is the state letting inmates out of jail? Because the voters have constantly passed ballot measures that pre-commit large portions of the state budget to other programs.

Right, it's the lack of taxes not spending, got it.

Thx for not disappointing me, I knew one of you would be along and said so....

 

[Polk]

I suggest a primer on how and when this state started going south big time.

Hers a nice article.....have a gander, notice anything in particular ?

Deukmejian Proposes Budget of $36.7 Billion : Balanced Spending Plan Puts Emphasis on Education, Toxic Cleanup, Prison Construction - Los Angeles Times



Annnnd-


But he balanced the state budget (after inheriting a hefty deficit from Brown in 1983), jump-started a huge prison construction program and kept his mouth shut when the FBI conducted an undercover sting investigation of Capitol corruption and asked him to veto the bogus bills that agents ran through the Legislature.

Read more here: Capitol Alert: Deukmejian says successors, legislators failed on budget

Capitol Alert: Deukmejian says successors, legislators failed on budget

Sure did. Right in the top of the first article too...

Deukmejian offered a balanced plan that would boost state spending by about $856 million over the current year, an increase of 2.2%, without raising taxes.

Deukmejian wanted to get the benefits of spending, but was unwilling to pay for it. Pretty typical of the GOP. Plenty of examples of the same behavior today (Christie, for starters).

He didn't want to tap the reserve, you missed it like I thought you would and took the cheap bait...

Do you need a primer on 'good borrowing'?

How does that do anything other than prove my point? He wanted the benefits of spending without the responsibility of paying for it.

 

[Jarlaxle]

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Anyone here want to offer a plan for getting California out of this mess?

Detonate several thousand explosive charges on the Nevada, Oregon, Arizona, and Mexican borders, tow the state out to sea, and scuttle it in deep water.

 

[Polk]

I saw a great article here, Is California the next Detroit?

A great synopsis of where cali is going, it ain't pretty and it's pretty much irrefutable ......

The author sees what the problems are, but seems to miss the cause. Why is the state in constant deficit? Because the state constitution also makes it virtually impossible to raise taxes. Why is the state letting inmates out of jail? Because the voters have constantly passed ballot measures that pre-commit large portions of the state budget to other programs.

Right, it's the lack of taxes not spending, got it.

Thx for not disappointing me, I knew one of you would be along and said so....

Irresponsibility is the problem. I'm sure you'd agree that Massachusetts is to the left of California. Massachusetts state government is 50% larger that California, when you consider the size of the respective state economies. And guess what? Massachusetts is doing just fine. Why? Because they were responsible in their budgeting process.

 

[westwall]

Always the leader in Trends.. here is another area..

A finer-grained regional analysis reveals that the main current of migration out of California in the past decade has flowed eastward across the Colorado River, reversing the storied passages of the Dust Bowl era.
Southern California had about 55 percent of the state’s population in 2000 but accounted for about 65 percent of the net out-migration in the decade that followed.
More than 70 percent of the state’s net migration to Texas came from California’s south.

A third factor is state and local governments’ constant fiscal instability, which sends at least two discouraging messages to businesses and individuals.
One is that they cannot count on state and local governments to provide essential services—much less, tax breaks or other incentives.
Second, chronically out-of-balance budgets can be seen as tax hikes waiting to happen.

States with low unemployment rates, such as Texas, are drawing people from California, whose rate is above the national average.
Taxation also appears to be a factor, especially as it contributes to the business climate and, in turn, jobs.

Most of the destination states favored by Californians have lower taxes. States that have gained the most at California’s expense are rated as having better business climates.
The data suggest that many cost drivers—taxes, regulations, the high price of housing and commercial real estate, costly electricity, union power, and high labor costs—are prompting businesses to locate outside California, thus helping to drive the exodus.


Civic Report 71 | The Great California Exodus: A Closer Look


WOW... taxes too high? Move!

Sour grapes?

Watch cons cheer for the failure of a state. How patriotic they are.

What a true jackass you are. No one, and I mean no one wishes for the state of California to fail. We are realists (unlike you) and know that when Cali fails it will drag the rest of the country with it.

When that happens we will have our earthquake kits fully prepared and you will die because of your ignorance.

 

[westwall]

I suggest a primer on how and when this state started going south big time.

Hers a nice article.....have a gander, notice anything in particular ?

Deukmejian Proposes Budget of $36.7 Billion : Balanced Spending Plan Puts Emphasis on Education, Toxic Cleanup, Prison Construction - Los Angeles Times



Annnnd-


But he balanced the state budget (after inheriting a hefty deficit from Brown in 1983), jump-started a huge prison construction program and kept his mouth shut when the FBI conducted an undercover sting investigation of Capitol corruption and asked him to veto the bogus bills that agents ran through the Legislature.

Read more here: Capitol Alert: Deukmejian says successors, legislators failed on budget

Capitol Alert: Deukmejian says successors, legislators failed on budget

Sure did. Right in the top of the first article too...

Deukmejian offered a balanced plan that would boost state spending by about $856 million over the current year, an increase of 2.2%, without raising taxes.

Deukmejian wanted to get the benefits of spending, but was unwilling to pay for it. Pretty typical of the GOP. Plenty of examples of the same behavior today (Christie, for starters).

He didn't want to tap the reserve, you missed it like I thought you would and took the cheap bait...

Do you need a primer on 'good borrowing'?

Polk needs a primer on simple cognition...he lacks the very basics.

 

[OKTexas]

Unfortunately, a lot of those Fornicalians bring their idiotic lolberal politics with them, as they try to make their new state more like the socialistic hell hole thy just escaped.

Colorado and New Mexico are prime examples.

True... I started this thread topic hoping some of those 7% Undecideds that may be on this board MIGHT make the very simple link that Calif. is a microcosm of the USA i.e. continued higher taxes, MORE regulations, ANTI-Capitalist attitudes is the Obama agenda!
The only problem is as it was said THE USA was the last bastion for where people could go that want freedom.. well if Obama gets re-elected that may not be true!

No one besides the right wing idiots want the whole nation to turn into a dump like mississippi.

You ever actually been to Mississippi?

 

[OKTexas]

This shit cracks me up.

Who the fuck wants to live in Texas?

let see.... what my million+ property in SF gets me.... and what a million+ would buy me in TX..... i tell ya, it looks pretty darn good.

I could get 5X the house, a pool on at least an acre of property.....in a good area. Or no property in a gated community.

And that doesnt even go into the cost of living.

You forgot no state income tax.

 

[Mac1958]

I'd seriously like to hear from a California Democrat on what they're gonna do here.

So far, the closest thing to an idea I've seen is "dang, if only the state constitution would let California raise its taxes even HIGHER."

Holy crap.

Is that it?

.

 

[Polk]

Sure did. Right in the top of the first article too...



Deukmejian wanted to get the benefits of spending, but was unwilling to pay for it. Pretty typical of the GOP. Plenty of examples of the same behavior today (Christie, for starters).

He didn't want to tap the reserve, you missed it like I thought you would and took the cheap bait...

Do you need a primer on 'good borrowing'?

Polk needs a primer on simple cognition...he lacks the very basics.

You guys realize that other people notice that neither of you have substantive issues.