But, Aren't Nazis and Fascists Really Left-Wingers?

[SniperFire]

 

[SniperFire]

Progressives are for eugenics, as was Hitler.
Progressive are for unions, Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
Progressives want centralized government, as did Hitler.
Progressives believe in the primacy of the state over individual rights. So did Hitler.

I see strong similarities between the two.

Well at least Hitler didn't go after super-sized sugary drinks!

 

[Politico]

Nope.

Actually, Nazis were fanatical right wing Christians.

You miss the whole holocaust thing?

No I guess you did. Hitler didn't give a crap about any religion. He would have strung Christians up if they would have served his purpose.

 

[tooAlive]

I see you missed my earlier question. But since you're saying the same thing in multiple threads, I'll ask it again.

How can communism be the totalitarian one when it is state-less?

Communism is stateless only in that fantasies of communists.

Reality differs. Real communism imposes the omnipotent all powerful state.

Oh, absolutely.

I just wanted to get Franco's take on it, since he seems to be defending socialism, saying communism is the only totalitarian one. When according Marx himself, it's actually the opposite.

Socialism is supposed to be the heavy-hitter needed to pave the way for the la-la-land of communism.

In reality, yes, they're both totalitarian.

 

[Jroc]

Leftist haven't changed much over the years

9. All citizens of the State shall be equal as regards rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. The activities of the individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the frame of the community and be for the general good.

Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in life and property, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as a crime against the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits whether in assets or material.

13. We demand the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.

14. We demand that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

15. We demand extensive development of provision for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle-class, the immediate communalization of department stores which will be rented cheaply to small businessmen, and that preference shall be given to small businessmen for provision of supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.


So who put that manifesto forward and who was responsible for the summary quotes given before that? Was it the US Democrats, the British Labour Party, the Canadian Liberals, some European Social Democratic party? No. The manifesto is an extract from the (February 25th., 1920) 25 point plan of the National Socialist German Workers Party and was written by the leader of that party: Adolf Hitler

Mein Kampf - Volume II, Chapter V

 

[francoHFW]

Progressives are for eugenics, as was Hitler.
Progressive are for unions, Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
Progressives want centralized government, as did Hitler.
Progressives believe in the primacy of the state over individual rights. So did Hitler.

I see strong similarities between the two.

Progressives WERE for eugenics a hundred years ago, STOPPED 80 years ago.
-Nazis' name is pure propaganda, dupe.
-Progressives use a federal government to protect workers and citizens with reasonable regulation. Get a grip.
-Pubcrappe- change the channel, dupe of greedy rich a-holes.

 

[Papageorgio]

Nope.

Actually, Nazis were fanatical right wing Christians.

You miss the whole holocaust thing?

No I guess you did. Hitler didn't give a crap about any religion. He would have strung Christians up if they would have served his purpose.

He went after many that were loyal to their religion, Catholic, Baptist. Jehovah's Witnesses were among the most hated. Hitler hated anyone no 100% loyal to him.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Conservatives seek to deny same-sex couples access to marriage, they seek to deny women their right to privacy with regard to family planning, they wish to single-out public assistance applicants for unwarranted drug testing, they seek to destroy unions and place working Americans at the mercy of their employers, they attempt to deny immigrants their due process rights, they attempt to conjoin church and state by codifying religious dogma, and they wish to enlarge the authority of the state by granting it ever greater police powers in an effort to ‘fight crime’ and ‘terrorism.’

I'm a libertarian, so I have nothing against homosexuals getting married; although I may not agree with their beliefs.

And how is drug testing unwarranted for public assistance applicants? I have to do it when I'm applying for a job, so why shouldn't they do it for getting a free check?

Oh, and God forbid an employer fires an unproductive employee..

If you were truly liberterian you would be against any government imposed drug test.

not neccesarily

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I can't help but laugh when I (or another fellow conservative) get called a Nazi or a Fascist.

Aren't Nazism and Fascism on the far left of the political spectrum?

Yeah, it's why they went after all the leftists: lefty socialists and communists and Democrats

true story

 

[Nole]

anyone here concerned that the Republican revisionists are not trying to change the meaning of socialism and fascism to fit their precious little talking points?

 

[SniperFire]

anyone here concerned that the Republican revisionists are not trying to change the meaning of socialism and fascism to fit their precious little talking points?

Tyranny of total government control, usually brought in by a charismatic populist leader.

Sound familiar?

 

[edthecynic]

anyone here concerned that the Republican revisionists are not trying to change the meaning of socialism and fascism to fit their precious little talking points?

Tyranny of total government control, usually brought in by a charismatic populist leader.

Sound familiar?

Yeah, St Ronnie Reagan.

 

[Nole]

Tyranny of total government control, usually brought in by a charismatic populist leader.

Sound familiar?

Reagen, Bush II..... ya.

 

[Papageorgio]

Progressives are for eugenics, as was Hitler.
Progressive are for unions, Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
Progressives want centralized government, as did Hitler.
Progressives believe in the primacy of the state over individual rights. So did Hitler.

I see strong similarities between the two.

Progressives WERE for eugenics a hundred years ago, STOPPED 80 years ago.
-Nazis' name is pure propaganda, dupe.
-Progressives use a federal government to protect workers and citizens with reasonable regulation. Get a grip.
-Pubcrappe- change the channel, dupe of greedy rich a-holes.

Actually, if you watched today the Progressives are still for eugenics. They are also for keeping the unemployed, unemployable with the minimum wage laws. Progressives would take away individual rights in favor of the state rights, look at the 2nd amendment, look at healthcare.

You are very predictable, you have nothing, so you hurl insults.

 

[francoHFW]

I see you missed my earlier question. But since you're saying the same thing in multiple threads, I'll ask it again.

How can communism be the totalitarian one when it is state-less?

Communism is stateless only in that fantasies of communists.

Reality differs. Real communism imposes the omnipotent all powerful state.

Oh, absolutely.

I just wanted to get Franco's take on it, since he seems to be defending socialism, saying communism is the only totalitarian one. When according Marx himself, it's actually the opposite.

Socialism is supposed to be the heavy-hitter needed to pave the way for the la-la-land of communism.

In reality, yes, they're both totalitarian.

I don't give a FUCK about communists' and Nazis' "opinions" about ANYTHING, they're so FOS. Socialists have ALWAYS been democratic, communists and fascists NEVER. Socialists often call themselves social democrats so as to not set off ugly American, cold war dinosaur/tin foil Beckbots who can't get that straight. Read a good history book for chissake.

 

[SniperFire]

anyone here concerned that the Republican revisionists are not trying to change the meaning of socialism and fascism to fit their precious little talking points?

Tyranny of total government control, usually brought in by a charismatic populist leader.

Sound familiar?

Yeah, St Ronnie Reagan.

You attempt deflection because the truth is a real mofo.

 

[tooAlive]

Communism is stateless only in that fantasies of communists.

Reality differs. Real communism imposes the omnipotent all powerful state.

Oh, absolutely.

I just wanted to get Franco's take on it, since he seems to be defending socialism, saying communism is the only totalitarian one. When according Marx himself, it's actually the opposite.

Socialism is supposed to be the heavy-hitter needed to pave the way for the la-la-land of communism.

In reality, yes, they're both totalitarian.

I don't give a FUCK about communists' and Nazis' "opinions" about ANYTHING, they're so FOS. Socialists have ALWAYS been democratic, communists and fascists NEVER. Socialists often call themselves social democrats so as to not set off ugly American, cold war dinosaur/tin foil Beckbots who can't get that straight. Read a good history book for chissake.

Well, those "opinions" come from the Grandaddy of socialism himself, Karl Marx.

And when has a completely socialist country ever been democratic?

 

[francoHFW]

Progressives are for eugenics, as was Hitler.
Progressive are for unions, Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
Progressives want centralized government, as did Hitler.
Progressives believe in the primacy of the state over individual rights. So did Hitler.

I see strong similarities between the two.

Progressives WERE for eugenics a hundred years ago, STOPPED 80 years ago.
-Nazis' name is pure propaganda, dupe.
-Progressives use a federal government to protect workers and citizens with reasonable regulation. Get a grip.
-Pubcrappe- change the channel, dupe of greedy rich a-holes.

Actually, if you watched today the Progressives are still for eugenics. They are also for keeping the unemployed, unemployable with the minimum wage laws. Progressives would take away individual rights in favor of the state rights, look at the 2nd amendment, look at healthcare.

You are very predictable, you have nothing, so you hurl insults.

Sure, Prof. Rushbeck. Absolute RW idiocy. They want a living wage (52% of USA) so people have dignity, ditto O-care, THE PUB PLAN. (Turns out Pubs won't vote for ANYTHING that ends Big Health's megascam). Pub dupes!!

And they want background checks on all sales, not to take away your guns, shyttehead.
Just the facts!

 

[francoHFW]

Oh, absolutely.

I just wanted to get Franco's take on it, since he seems to be defending socialism, saying communism is the only totalitarian one. When according Marx himself, it's actually the opposite.

Socialism is supposed to be the heavy-hitter needed to pave the way for the la-la-land of communism.

In reality, yes, they're both totalitarian.

I don't give a FUCK about communists' and Nazis' "opinions" about ANYTHING, they're so FOS. Socialists have ALWAYS been democratic, communists and fascists NEVER. Socialists often call themselves social democrats so as to not set off ugly American, cold war dinosaur/tin foil Beckbots who can't get that straight. Read a good history book for chissake.

Well, those "opinions" come from the Grandaddy of socialism himself, Karl Marx.

And when has a completely socialist country ever been democratic?

Completely socialist is extreme, ie. COMMUNIST.
Like extreme capitalism is FASCISM. Karl Marx was a dreamer.

 

[Two Thumbs]

I can't help but laugh when I (or another fellow conservative) get called a Nazi or a Fascist.

Aren't Nazism and Fascism on the far left of the political spectrum?

The Political Spectrum Easily Explained - Basic Forms of Government - YouTube

no

They are authoritarians

you can have those on the left and right.