But, Aren't Nazis and Fascists Really Left-Wingers?

[Newby]

Very nice!

Communists, Libtards and Fascists appeal to the roughly same audience.

Exactly. We use the wrong labels in our political bantering. Republicans are not necessarily 'conservatives', and democrats are not necessarily socialists, altho the majority tend to go those directions within each party. I think you have both in both parties tho, the only thing that differs between the two groups is what they want to control. It boils down to the extremes in both parties wanting to establish their 'morals' as law and impose them on the rest of us, that notion is most definitely on the left end of the spectrum.

 

[hazlnut]

It's called BS RW propaganda, dingbat tinfoiler. Don't try it in polite society.

Yes, I know that anything that makes liberals look bad is propaganda.

It makes right wingers look like idiots as they use sources spreading lies and false information to program the sheep.

I told the dopey OP his spectrum was false and contrary to every poli sci and history textbook everywhere, but he just clings to his stupidity and lies.

 

[hazlnut]

The correct political spectrum.

 

[jillian]

Very nice!

Communists, Libtards and Fascists appeal to the roughly same audience.

Exactly. We use the wrong labels in our political bantering. Republicans are not necessarily 'conservatives', and democrats are not necessarily socialists, altho the majority tend to go those directions within each party. I think you have both in both parties tho, the only thing that differs between the two groups is what they want to control. It boils down to the extremes in both parties wanting to establish their 'morals' as law and impose them on the rest of us, that notion is most definitely on the left end of the spectrum.

why do you think a rightwingnut link is appropriate?

these things are only political philosophy. they are defined by political philosophers. making up your own nonsense and saying it down't matter if you're "educated" in political philosophy is a continuation of the anti-intellectual extremism of the right.

words have meaning.

 

[SniperFire]

Yes, I know that anything that makes liberals look bad is propaganda.

It makes right wingers look like idiots as they use sources spreading lies and false information to program the sheep.

I told the dopey OP his spectrum was false and contrary to every poli sci and history textbook everywhere, but he just clings to his stupidity and lies.

Refute this:

 

[BlindBoo]

anyone here concerned that the Republican revisionists are not trying to change the meaning of socialism and fascism to fit their precious little talking points?

I think The Cato Institute says it best

How to Label Cato

Today, those who subscribe to the principles of the American Revolution — individual liberty, limited government, the free market, and the rule of law — call themselves by a variety of terms, including conservative, libertarian, classical liberal, and liberal. We see problems with all of those terms. "Conservative" smacks of an unwillingness to change, of a desire to preserve the status quo. Only in America do people seem to refer to free-market capitalism — the most progressive, dynamic, and ever-changing system the world has ever known — as conservative. Additionally, many contemporary American conservatives favor state intervention in some areas, most notably in trade and into our private lives.

"Classical liberal" is a bit closer to the mark, but the word "classical" fails to capture the contemporary vibrancy of the ideas of freedom.

"Liberal" may well be the perfect word in most of the world — the liberals in societies from China to Iran to South Africa to Argentina tend to be supporters of human rights and free markets — but its meaning has clearly been altered in the contemporary United States.

The Jeffersonian philosophy that animates Cato's work has increasingly come to be called "libertarianism" or "market liberalism." It combines an appreciation for entrepreneurship, the market process, and lower taxes with strict respect for civil liberties and skepticism about the benefits of both the welfare state and foreign military adventurism.

This vision brings the wisdom of the American Founders to bear on the problems of today. As did the Founders, it looks to the future with optimism and excitement, eager to discover what great things women and men will do in the coming century. Market liberals appreciate the complexity of a great society, recognizing that socialism and government planning are just too clumsy for the modern world. It is — or used to be — the conventional wisdom that a more complex society needs more government, but the truth is just the opposite. The simpler the society, the less damage government planning does. Planning is cumbersome in an agricultural society, costly in an industrial economy, and impossible in the information age. Today collectivism and planning are outmoded and backward, a drag on social progress.

Libertarians have a cosmopolitan, inclusive vision for society. We applaud the progressive extension of the promises of the Declaration of Independence to more people, especially to women, African-Americans, religious minorities, and gay and lesbian people. Our greatest challenge today is to continue to extend the promise of political freedom and economic opportunity to those who are still denied it, in our own country and around the world.



Cato's Mission | Cato Institute

 

[SniperFire]

Very nice!

Communists, Libtards and Fascists appeal to the roughly same audience.

Exactly. We use the wrong labels in our political bantering. Republicans are not necessarily 'conservatives', and democrats are not necessarily socialists, altho the majority tend to go those directions within each party. I think you have both in both parties tho, the only thing that differs between the two groups is what they want to control. It boils down to the extremes in both parties wanting to establish their 'morals' as law and impose them on the rest of us, that notion is most definitely on the left end of the spectrum.

why do you think a rightwingnut link is appropriate?

these things are only political philosophy. they are defined by political philosophers. making up your own nonsense and saying it down't matter if you're "educated" in political philosophy is a continuation of the anti-intellectual extremism of the right.

words have meaning.

You didn't refute the spectrum, Jiz, you just told us of your extreme butthurt.

LOL

 

[hazlnut]

It makes right wingers look like idiots as they use sources spreading lies and false information to program the sheep.

I told the dopey OP his spectrum was false and contrary to every poli sci and history textbook everywhere, but he just clings to his stupidity and lies.

Refute this:

Someone, a fringe-right hack, photoshopped a version of this:

REFUTED!

Now you may suck my cock.

 

[SniperFire]

See, dishonest Leftards, we all know this isn't about 'right' or 'left'. Authoritarianism comes in both flavors.

It is Progressive/ Statism versus a free society.

Progressives believe government knows what is best for you and the individual, not so much.

The Nazi's were Progressives. The Communists were progressives.

They both hated, and continue to hate, the personal liberty, freedom, individualism and self-determination of the free American society.


Oh, and Obama is a Progressive.

 

[Newby]

Very nice!

Communists, Libtards and Fascists appeal to the roughly same audience.

Exactly. We use the wrong labels in our political bantering. Republicans are not necessarily 'conservatives', and democrats are not necessarily socialists, altho the majority tend to go those directions within each party. I think you have both in both parties tho, the only thing that differs between the two groups is what they want to control. It boils down to the extremes in both parties wanting to establish their 'morals' as law and impose them on the rest of us, that notion is most definitely on the left end of the spectrum.

why do you think a rightwingnut link is appropriate?

these things are only political philosophy. they are defined by political philosophers. making up your own nonsense and saying it down't matter if you're "educated" in political philosophy is a continuation of the anti-intellectual extremism of the right.

words have meaning.

Jillian, you're far too biased to have an objective opinion about anything political. Until you can be, which I can't see ever happening, you won't be able to see the forest for the trees when it comes to politics.

 

[mjollnir]

Exactly. We use the wrong labels in our political bantering. Republicans are not necessarily 'conservatives', and democrats are not necessarily socialists, altho the majority tend to go those directions within each party. I think you have both in both parties tho, the only thing that differs between the two groups is what they want to control. It boils down to the extremes in both parties wanting to establish their 'morals' as law and impose them on the rest of us, that notion is most definitely on the left end of the spectrum.

why do you think a rightwingnut link is appropriate?

these things are only political philosophy. they are defined by political philosophers. making up your own nonsense and saying it down't matter if you're "educated" in political philosophy is a continuation of the anti-intellectual extremism of the right.

words have meaning.

You didn't refute the spectrum, Jiz, you just told us of your extreme butthurt.

LOL

Lulz. You didn't offer a spectrum even remotely based in reality.

Oh. Wait. You're a historically pig-ignorant tool

Never mind.

 

[SniperFire]

why do you think a rightwingnut link is appropriate?

these things are only political philosophy. they are defined by political philosophers. making up your own nonsense and saying it down't matter if you're "educated" in political philosophy is a continuation of the anti-intellectual extremism of the right.

words have meaning.

You didn't refute the spectrum, Jiz, you just told us of your extreme butthurt.

LOL

Lulz. You didn't offer a spectrum even remotely based in reality.

Oh. Wait. You're a historically pig-ignorant tool

Never mind.

Just because you say so? LOL

 

[SniperFire]

Historical evidence proves the Nazi and the Communists appeal to the same audience with almost identical messages.

It is a matter of choosing chocolate vs. vanilla.

 

[Autodidact_33]

I would not agree that Nazism historically could be defined as left winged ideology, Nazism was vehemently anti communist which in itself was to the far left of the political spectrum and Nazism was aligned with powerful economic institutions both in Germany and abroad and the left usually aligns itself with groups such as the poor or working class. As for fascism, a key ideological underpinning of fascism is that those who conform are rewarded and non-conformists are punished which is a practice found on both the extreme right and left of the political spectrum. I'm sure the complete definition of fascism is somewhat more complicated but it is wrong to label it as an ideal of the left. Historically the left has sided with the poor and has been progressive while the right seems to seek change but in reverse seeking to return society to an earlier era. Extremists on both the right and left sometimes seek to enact their agenda outside the law but moderates seem content to work within the existing legal establishment. But some with a anti-left agenda may seek to associate leftists with fascism and Nazism which I feel is dishonest. At least that is my view.

 

[Papageorgio]

Progressives WERE for eugenics a hundred years ago, STOPPED 80 years ago.
-Nazis' name is pure propaganda, dupe.
-Progressives use a federal government to protect workers and citizens with reasonable regulation. Get a grip.
-Pubcrappe- change the channel, dupe of greedy rich a-holes.

Actually, if you watched today the Progressives are still for eugenics. They are also for keeping the unemployed, unemployable with the minimum wage laws. Progressives would take away individual rights in favor of the state rights, look at the 2nd amendment, look at healthcare.

You are very predictable, you have nothing, so you hurl insults.

Sure, Prof. Rushbeck. Absolute RW idiocy. They want a living wage (52% of USA) so people have dignity, ditto O-care, THE PUB PLAN. (Turns out Pubs won't vote for ANYTHING that ends Big Health's megascam). Pub dupes!!

And they want background checks on all sales, not to take away your guns, shyttehead.
Just the facts!

I gave you facts, Hitler was pro union, Hitler wanted a centralized government, Hitler wanted state power to trump individual freedoms. These are all Progressive views. Who did Hitler demonize to get into power, how did he get into power, it was using the same tactics your beloved Progressives use today.

I'm not sure what Rush or anyone else says, Progressive nut jobs listen to them. I have never been able to purchase a gun from a gun show, from a gun dealer without having a background check ran. So what are you really bitching about?

 

[Two Thumbs]

I told the dopey OP his spectrum was false and contrary to every poli sci and history textbook everywhere, but he just clings to his stupidity and lies.

Refute this:

Someone, a fringe-right hack, photoshopped a version of this:

REFUTED!

Now you may suck my cock.

what whackaloon puts anarchy further left of communism?

seriously, take time to think about what you are looking at

 

[mjollnir]

You didn't refute the spectrum, Jiz, you just told us of your extreme butthurt.

LOL

Lulz. You didn't offer a spectrum even remotely based in reality.

Oh. Wait. You're a historically pig-ignorant tool

Never mind.

Just because you say so? LOL

No, child, because history and intellectual honesty do.

Two things that you are completely and tragically unacquainted with.

But by all means, keep posting the colorful and fun graphics since they make you feel better.

There, there.

 

[L.K.Eder]

the nazis were socialists because the s in nsdap stands for socialism.

derp derp

 

[SniperFire]

Refute this:

Someone, a fringe-right hack, photoshopped a version of this:

REFUTED!

Now you may suck my cock.

what whackaloon puts anarchy further left of communism?

seriously, take time to think about what you are looking at

He isn't even slightly interested in the truth. LOL

 

[SniperFire]

Lulz. You didn't offer a spectrum even remotely based in reality.

Oh. Wait. You're a historically pig-ignorant tool

Never mind.

Just because you say so? LOL

No, child, because history and intellectual honesty do.

Two things that you are completely and tragically unacquainted with.

But by all means, keep posting the colorful and fun graphics since they make you feel better.

There, there.

More moaning and more butthurt in the bright light of truth. LOL