Bush didn't just lie........

[Camp]

Clinton went after OBL AND al Qaeda. The GOP was so wrapped up in him getting him impeached over some blow jobs that they sabotaged the most serious efforts.

www.makethemaccountable.com/myth/ClintonAndTerrorism.htm

 

[Redfish]

What "bad decision" did Bush make?

It's easier to answer the question what "good decision" did Bush make? Because none come to memory.

It's easier to deflect because you can't answer my question.
You'r pwned, muthufucka.

Huh? Are you on drugs? Or are you just having a hard time reading today? Where did I deflect from your question? You asked, what bad decision did Bush make and I pretty much said EVERY SINGLE ONE OF BUSHES DECISIONS WAS BAD. Not sure why you think that makes me pwned. Unless you are bragging about putting a socialist in the republican party.

Every decision of Bush's was bad? LOL! So backstopping the banks when they ceased lending to each other was bad? Cutting taxes to get us out of the Clinton recession was bad? Rolling out a drug benefit for Medicaid that has come in under projections is bad?
You are an idiot. Just a cop out idiot who couldnt argue hsi way out of a paper bag.

Yes the bank bailout was bad, for many reasons. First, bad banks should have been allowed to fail so that good banks would benefit. Chapter 13 is not new. There's a reason we have bankruptcy courts.

Yes, the way Bush cut taxes, was horrible. Giving half the country a 100% tax cut? Really? Half the country going to zero taxes? History will mark that tax cut as the final nail in the coffin of a downward spiral of socialism in this country.


Yes, tax payer funding of the legalized drug cartel through medicare (aka socialized medicine) is really really bad.

So, you must also think that obozo's bailout of GM and Chrysler were also bad and that those companies should have been allowed to fail and go through bankruptcy?

The bush tax rates were continued by obama and the dem controlled congresss, so where is your denigration of them?


I do agree with you that big pharma is raping the country.

 

[Tuatara]

I understand the part where the Left is butthurt that all their dire predictions of a "quagmire" failed to materialize and Bush won the war, despite Democrats declarign the war was lost as soon as it ceased being popular.

If anything in the world is a quagmire it would be that whole fiasco called Iraq since 2003.

You understand we won, right?

And Tuatara wimps out and runs away again.
Lefties are so easy to pwn.

Of course you won. I saw the Mission Accomplished sign hanging up there. I remember how the Iraqi people welcomed all the american soldiers with open arms. I;m certainly happy there was no insurgency or terrorist groups resisting. Also congrats on getting those WMDs.

We achieved every objective we set, asswipe.

Let's look at the objectives stated by Donald Rumsfeld.

1st Objective - end the regime of Saddam Hussein by striking with force on a scope and scale that makes clear to Iraqis that he and his regime are finished

That was accomplished, there were many innocent Iraqis killed but hey that doesn't matter as long as the objective was met

2nd objective - Iraq's arsenal of biological and chemical weapons, and any program to develop nuclear weapons, are also targets, as the American military has been ordered ''to identify, isolate and eventually eliminate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

Well they were no where to be found, so this objective is null and void

3rd objective - Troops will then ''search for, capture, drive out terrorists who have found safe harbor in Iraq,

Well this objective certainly didn't work as there are more terrorists before the war even started.

4th objective - the allied forces will ''collect such intelligence as we can find related to terrorist networks in Iraq and beyond.''

Another lie so this one is null and void.

5th objectiive - collect such intelligence as we can find related to the global network of illicit weapons of mass destruction activity.''

Another lie. This objective was never completed. Null and void

6th objective - to end sanctions and to immediately deliver humanitarian relief, food and medicine to the displaced and to the many needy Iraqi citizens.

Wasn't there millions of dollars in money meant for humanitarian relief that went missing. More money was spent on contractors and their hired thugs.

7th objective - Military forces also will ''secure Iraq's oil fields and resources, which belong to the Iraqi people, and which they will need to develop their country after decades of neglect by the Iraqi regime

Yes you did secure the Oil fields and resources. You ignored securing librairies and museums and important historical buildings. BP and Exxon hold leases on many of the oil fields and production. They clearly don't belong to the Iraqi people. You clearly showed those liberals the war had nothing to do with oil.

8th objective - to help the Iraqi people create the conditions for a rapid transition to a representative self-government that is not a threat to its neighbors and is committed to ensuring the territorial integrity of that country.

This objective was never stated before the war. It was an afterthought. The Iraqi people demanded to write their own constitution with elected officials. It was not. It was written by US appointed Iraqi officials. The Iraqis were already attempting to hold their own grassroots local elections but they were cancelled by Paul Bremner. Instead the US put in their own interim government. Originally the US had plans to install Chalabi as Iraqi prime minister but their objective changed. So yes this objective was finally met but it was never the original intention of the US. Certainly not before the war.

 

[RKMBrown]

It's easier to answer the question what "good decision" did Bush make? Because none come to memory.

It's easier to deflect because you can't answer my question.
You'r pwned, muthufucka.

Huh? Are you on drugs? Or are you just having a hard time reading today? Where did I deflect from your question? You asked, what bad decision did Bush make and I pretty much said EVERY SINGLE ONE OF BUSHES DECISIONS WAS BAD. Not sure why you think that makes me pwned. Unless you are bragging about putting a socialist in the republican party.

Every decision of Bush's was bad? LOL! So backstopping the banks when they ceased lending to each other was bad? Cutting taxes to get us out of the Clinton recession was bad? Rolling out a drug benefit for Medicaid that has come in under projections is bad?
You are an idiot. Just a cop out idiot who couldnt argue hsi way out of a paper bag.

Yes the bank bailout was bad, for many reasons. First, bad banks should have been allowed to fail so that good banks would benefit. Chapter 13 is not new. There's a reason we have bankruptcy courts.

Yes, the way Bush cut taxes, was horrible. Giving half the country a 100% tax cut? Really? Half the country going to zero taxes? History will mark that tax cut as the final nail in the coffin of a downward spiral of socialism in this country.


Yes, tax payer funding of the legalized drug cartel through medicare (aka socialized medicine) is really really bad.

So, you must also think that obozo's bailout of GM and Chrysler were also bad and that those companies should have been allowed to fail and go through bankruptcy?

The bush tax rates were continued by obama and the dem controlled congresss, so where is your denigration of them?


I do agree with you that big pharma is raping the country.

You asked... "So, you must also think that obozo's bailout of GM and Chrysler were also bad and that those companies should have been allowed to fail and go through bankruptcy?" Yes.

You asked... "The bush tax rates were continued by obama and the dem controlled congresss, so where is your denigration of them?" The topic was Bush... yes I could have added an oh yeah and the democrats wanted it this way.. cause well they did.

 

[Freewill]

Clinton went after OBL AND al Qaeda. The GOP was so wrapped up in him getting him impeached over some blow jobs that they sabotaged the most serious efforts.

www.makethemaccountable.com/myth/ClintonAndTerrorism.htm

Yeah old billy, blew up a pill factory, a bunch of tents meanwhile being blown himself. Yeah quite the warrior.

 

[Freewill]

It's easier to deflect because you can't answer my question.
You'r pwned, muthufucka.

Huh? Are you on drugs? Or are you just having a hard time reading today? Where did I deflect from your question? You asked, what bad decision did Bush make and I pretty much said EVERY SINGLE ONE OF BUSHES DECISIONS WAS BAD. Not sure why you think that makes me pwned. Unless you are bragging about putting a socialist in the republican party.

Every decision of Bush's was bad? LOL! So backstopping the banks when they ceased lending to each other was bad? Cutting taxes to get us out of the Clinton recession was bad? Rolling out a drug benefit for Medicaid that has come in under projections is bad?
You are an idiot. Just a cop out idiot who couldnt argue hsi way out of a paper bag.

Yes the bank bailout was bad, for many reasons. First, bad banks should have been allowed to fail so that good banks would benefit. Chapter 13 is not new. There's a reason we have bankruptcy courts.

Yes, the way Bush cut taxes, was horrible. Giving half the country a 100% tax cut? Really? Half the country going to zero taxes? History will mark that tax cut as the final nail in the coffin of a downward spiral of socialism in this country.


Yes, tax payer funding of the legalized drug cartel through medicare (aka socialized medicine) is really really bad.

So, you must also think that obozo's bailout of GM and Chrysler were also bad and that those companies should have been allowed to fail and go through bankruptcy?

The bush tax rates were continued by obama and the dem controlled congresss, so where is your denigration of them?


I do agree with you that big pharma is raping the country.

You asked... "So, you must also think that obozo's bailout of GM and Chrysler were also bad and that those companies should have been allowed to fail and go through bankruptcy?" Yes.

You asked... "The bush tax rates were continued by obama and the dem controlled congresss, so where is your denigration of them?" The topic was Bush... yes I could have added an oh yeah and the democrats wanted it this way.. cause well they did.

GM did file for bankrupcy: General Motors Chapter 11 reorganization - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The company received $33 billion in debtor-in-possession financing to complete the process.[5] GM filed for Chapter 11 reorganization in the Manhattan New York federal bankruptcy court on June 1, 2009 at approximately 8:00 am EST. June 1, 2009 was the deadline to supply an acceptable viability plan to the U.S. Treasury. The filing reported US$82.29 billion in assets and US$172.81 billion in debt.[6][7] [8][9][10]

After the Chapter 11 filing, effective Monday, June 8, 2009, GM was removed from the Dow Jones Industrial Average and replaced by Cisco Systems. From Tuesday 2 June, old GM stock has traded Over the Counter (Pink Sheets/OTCBB), initially under the symbol GMGMQ[11] and currently under the symbol MTLQQ.

On July 10, 2009, a new entity completed the purchase of continuing operations, assets and trademarks of GM as a part of the 'pre-packaged' Chapter 11reorganization.[12][13] As ranked by total assets, GM's bankruptcy marks one of the largest corporate Chapter 11 bankruptcies in U.S. history. The Chapter 11 filing was the fourth-largest in U.S. history, following Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., Washington Mutual and WorldCom Inc.[14] A new entity with the backing of the United States Treasury was formed to acquire profitable assets, under section 363 of the Bankruptcy Code, with the new company planning to issue an initial public offering (IPO) of stock in 2010.[15] The remaining pre-petition creditors claims are paid from the former corporation's assets.[12][15]

 

[RKMBrown]

Huh? Are you on drugs? Or are you just having a hard time reading today? Where did I deflect from your question? You asked, what bad decision did Bush make and I pretty much said EVERY SINGLE ONE OF BUSHES DECISIONS WAS BAD. Not sure why you think that makes me pwned. Unless you are bragging about putting a socialist in the republican party.

Every decision of Bush's was bad? LOL! So backstopping the banks when they ceased lending to each other was bad? Cutting taxes to get us out of the Clinton recession was bad? Rolling out a drug benefit for Medicaid that has come in under projections is bad?
You are an idiot. Just a cop out idiot who couldnt argue hsi way out of a paper bag.

Yes the bank bailout was bad, for many reasons. First, bad banks should have been allowed to fail so that good banks would benefit. Chapter 13 is not new. There's a reason we have bankruptcy courts.

Yes, the way Bush cut taxes, was horrible. Giving half the country a 100% tax cut? Really? Half the country going to zero taxes? History will mark that tax cut as the final nail in the coffin of a downward spiral of socialism in this country.


Yes, tax payer funding of the legalized drug cartel through medicare (aka socialized medicine) is really really bad.

So, you must also think that obozo's bailout of GM and Chrysler were also bad and that those companies should have been allowed to fail and go through bankruptcy?

The bush tax rates were continued by obama and the dem controlled congresss, so where is your denigration of them?


I do agree with you that big pharma is raping the country.

You asked... "So, you must also think that obozo's bailout of GM and Chrysler were also bad and that those companies should have been allowed to fail and go through bankruptcy?" Yes.

You asked... "The bush tax rates were continued by obama and the dem controlled congresss, so where is your denigration of them?" The topic was Bush... yes I could have added an oh yeah and the democrats wanted it this way.. cause well they did.

GM did file for bankrupcy: General Motors Chapter 11 reorganization - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The company received $33 billion in debtor-in-possession financing to complete the process.[5] GM filed for Chapter 11 reorganization in the Manhattan New York federal bankruptcy court on June 1, 2009 at approximately 8:00 am EST. June 1, 2009 was the deadline to supply an acceptable viability plan to the U.S. Treasury. The filing reported US$82.29 billion in assets and US$172.81 billion in debt.[6][7] [8][9][10]

After the Chapter 11 filing, effective Monday, June 8, 2009, GM was removed from the Dow Jones Industrial Average and replaced by Cisco Systems. From Tuesday 2 June, old GM stock has traded Over the Counter (Pink Sheets/OTCBB), initially under the symbol GMGMQ[11] and currently under the symbol MTLQQ.

On July 10, 2009, a new entity completed the purchase of continuing operations, assets and trademarks of GM as a part of the 'pre-packaged' Chapter 11reorganization.[12][13] As ranked by total assets, GM's bankruptcy marks one of the largest corporate Chapter 11 bankruptcies in U.S. history. The Chapter 11 filing was the fourth-largest in U.S. history, following Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., Washington Mutual and WorldCom Inc.[14] A new entity with the backing of the United States Treasury was formed to acquire profitable assets, under section 363 of the Bankruptcy Code, with the new company planning to issue an initial public offering (IPO) of stock in 2010.[15] The remaining pre-petition creditors claims are paid from the former corporation's assets.[12][15]

True. However, that's not all that happened. There were also multiple failed bailouts. And Obama circumvented traditional bankruptcy court proceedings and employed crony capitalism by handing over assets to the union, screwing over the other asset holders, and assigning a government "czar" to manage the fiasco.

 

[Claudette]

Every decision of Bush's was bad? LOL! So backstopping the banks when they ceased lending to each other was bad? Cutting taxes to get us out of the Clinton recession was bad? Rolling out a drug benefit for Medicaid that has come in under projections is bad?
You are an idiot. Just a cop out idiot who couldnt argue hsi way out of a paper bag.

Yes the bank bailout was bad, for many reasons. First, bad banks should have been allowed to fail so that good banks would benefit. Chapter 13 is not new. There's a reason we have bankruptcy courts.

Yes, the way Bush cut taxes, was horrible. Giving half the country a 100% tax cut? Really? Half the country going to zero taxes? History will mark that tax cut as the final nail in the coffin of a downward spiral of socialism in this country.


Yes, tax payer funding of the legalized drug cartel through medicare (aka socialized medicine) is really really bad.

So, you must also think that obozo's bailout of GM and Chrysler were also bad and that those companies should have been allowed to fail and go through bankruptcy?

The bush tax rates were continued by obama and the dem controlled congresss, so where is your denigration of them?


I do agree with you that big pharma is raping the country.

You asked... "So, you must also think that obozo's bailout of GM and Chrysler were also bad and that those companies should have been allowed to fail and go through bankruptcy?" Yes.

You asked... "The bush tax rates were continued by obama and the dem controlled congresss, so where is your denigration of them?" The topic was Bush... yes I could have added an oh yeah and the democrats wanted it this way.. cause well they did.

GM did file for bankrupcy: General Motors Chapter 11 reorganization - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The company received $33 billion in debtor-in-possession financing to complete the process.[5] GM filed for Chapter 11 reorganization in the Manhattan New York federal bankruptcy court on June 1, 2009 at approximately 8:00 am EST. June 1, 2009 was the deadline to supply an acceptable viability plan to the U.S. Treasury. The filing reported US$82.29 billion in assets and US$172.81 billion in debt.[6][7] [8][9][10]

After the Chapter 11 filing, effective Monday, June 8, 2009, GM was removed from the Dow Jones Industrial Average and replaced by Cisco Systems. From Tuesday 2 June, old GM stock has traded Over the Counter (Pink Sheets/OTCBB), initially under the symbol GMGMQ[11] and currently under the symbol MTLQQ.

On July 10, 2009, a new entity completed the purchase of continuing operations, assets and trademarks of GM as a part of the 'pre-packaged' Chapter 11reorganization.[12][13] As ranked by total assets, GM's bankruptcy marks one of the largest corporate Chapter 11 bankruptcies in U.S. history. The Chapter 11 filing was the fourth-largest in U.S. history, following Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., Washington Mutual and WorldCom Inc.[14] A new entity with the backing of the United States Treasury was formed to acquire profitable assets, under section 363 of the Bankruptcy Code, with the new company planning to issue an initial public offering (IPO) of stock in 2010.[15] The remaining pre-petition creditors claims are paid from the former corporation's assets.[12][15]

True. However, that's not all that happened. There were also multiple failed bailouts. And Obama circumvented traditional bankruptcy court proceedings and employed crony capitalism by handing over assets to the union, screwing over the other asset holders, and assigning a government "czar" to manage the fiasco.

Yup and he used our tax dollars to bail out their mismanaged pension funds and they still went into bankrupcy. That money should never have been given to GM or anyother company.

Its money we will never get back. Yup. Obama payed back the Unions for getting his sorry ass elected. What a fucking winner he truly is.

 

[Camp]

Clinton went after OBL AND al Qaeda. The GOP was so wrapped up in him getting him impeached over some blow jobs that they sabotaged the most serious efforts.

www.makethemaccountable.com/myth/ClintonAndTerrorism.htm

Yeah old billy, blew up a pill factory, a bunch of tents meanwhile being blown himself. Yeah quite the warrior.

It wasn't just a pill factory. That is the same lame line used by the GOP to threaten Congressional investigations and neutralize military effort to take out OBL and al Qaeda assets. A "pill factory" is in fact a pharmaceutical facility with the necessary equipment and machinery need to produce chemical and biological weapons. The almost 100 cruise missiles launched at Bin Laden and al Qaeda were meant to be the beginning of a campaign to find him and kill him. The intelligence community feared that a wide open investigation(s) of the type being used by Republicans would endanger agents and informers in the field as well as methods of gathering information about al Qaeda.
You guys won't read the link I provided because it is a timeline of pesky facts that debunk you nonsense. You will scream and whine for links and when you get them you run away from them. Prove to you the sky is blue and you will deflect into a conversation about the sky at night.

 

[healthmyths]

Again, Clinton thwarted a similar threat. Terrorists tried again when Bush was president and pulled it off because Bush did nothing to prevent it.

bullshit, there was no "similar threat" stopped by clinton. where do you get this shit?

He pulls it out of his ass.
There was a prior bombing at the WTC. It was very successful. Clinton did nothing.

According to the lunatic right, Bush Sr. must have been to blame for that.

anyone using a clown face avatar has zero credibility. your dem/lib handlers cancelled the instruction for all dem/libs to use clown face avatars several weeks ago, did you miss the memo?

I have this avatar because it seems to annoy your brain-dead right-wing zombies. Your proof that it's working. Besides, the clown in my avatar is none other than Mitt Romney. Did you vote for him for president?

Your clown make up is to "fool" people right? Take a normal looking person and make them look foolish. Right??

Are you aware YOUR President told you BEFORE he was elected he was going to fool you...to use tricks... tactics to "fool you"???
Explain this statement from Obama's "Dreams from My Father"...
"It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned.
People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves.
They were more than satisfied. They were revealed.
Such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time."


Remember Obama has told you that to get you to vote for him he had to FOOL YOU... TRICK YOU!
And he furthermore admits that was needed when he hired Gruber who admitted it took the
"Stupidity of American Voter" to get Obama elected!

And of course Obama the Messiah has in HIS words provided the moment...
"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

So when you think you are making a fool...remember Obama KNOWS you are and depended on
you being a fool.

 

[The Rabbi]

What "bad decision" did Bush make?

It's easier to answer the question what "good decision" did Bush make? Because none come to memory.

It's easier to deflect because you can't answer my question.
You'r pwned, muthufucka.

Huh? Are you on drugs? Or are you just having a hard time reading today? Where did I deflect from your question? You asked, what bad decision did Bush make and I pretty much said EVERY SINGLE ONE OF BUSHES DECISIONS WAS BAD. Not sure why you think that makes me pwned. Unless you are bragging about putting a socialist in the republican party.

Every decision of Bush's was bad? LOL! So backstopping the banks when they ceased lending to each other was bad? Cutting taxes to get us out of the Clinton recession was bad? Rolling out a drug benefit for Medicaid that has come in under projections is bad?
You are an idiot. Just a cop out idiot who couldnt argue hsi way out of a paper bag.

Yes the bank bailout was bad, for many reasons. First, bad banks should have been allowed to fail so that good banks would benefit. Chapter 13 is not new. There's a reason we have bankruptcy courts.

Yes, the way Bush cut taxes, was horrible. Giving half the country a 100% tax cut? Really? Half the country going to zero taxes? History will mark that tax cut as the final nail in the coffin of a downward spiral of socialism in this country.


Yes, tax payer funding of the legalized drug cartel through medicare (aka socialized medicine) is really really bad.

We'll add the bank bailout to things you dont know about.
How about the steel tariffs?

 

[The Rabbi]

If anything in the world is a quagmire it would be that whole fiasco called Iraq since 2003.

You understand we won, right?

And Tuatara wimps out and runs away again.
Lefties are so easy to pwn.

Of course you won. I saw the Mission Accomplished sign hanging up there. I remember how the Iraqi people welcomed all the american soldiers with open arms. I;m certainly happy there was no insurgency or terrorist groups resisting. Also congrats on getting those WMDs.

We achieved every objective we set, asswipe.

Let's look at the objectives stated by Donald Rumsfeld.

1st Objective - end the regime of Saddam Hussein by striking with force on a scope and scale that makes clear to Iraqis that he and his regime are finished

That was accomplished, there were many innocent Iraqis killed but hey that doesn't matter as long as the objective was met

2nd objective - Iraq's arsenal of biological and chemical weapons, and any program to develop nuclear weapons, are also targets, as the American military has been ordered ''to identify, isolate and eventually eliminate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

Well they were no where to be found, so this objective is null and void

3rd objective - Troops will then ''search for, capture, drive out terrorists who have found safe harbor in Iraq,

Well this objective certainly didn't work as there are more terrorists before the war even started.

4th objective - the allied forces will ''collect such intelligence as we can find related to terrorist networks in Iraq and beyond.''

Another lie so this one is null and void.

5th objectiive - collect such intelligence as we can find related to the global network of illicit weapons of mass destruction activity.''

Another lie. This objective was never completed. Null and void

6th objective - to end sanctions and to immediately deliver humanitarian relief, food and medicine to the displaced and to the many needy Iraqi citizens.

Wasn't there millions of dollars in money meant for humanitarian relief that went missing. More money was spent on contractors and their hired thugs.

7th objective - Military forces also will ''secure Iraq's oil fields and resources, which belong to the Iraqi people, and which they will need to develop their country after decades of neglect by the Iraqi regime

Yes you did secure the Oil fields and resources. You ignored securing librairies and museums and important historical buildings. BP and Exxon hold leases on many of the oil fields and production. They clearly don't belong to the Iraqi people. You clearly showed those liberals the war had nothing to do with oil.

8th objective - to help the Iraqi people create the conditions for a rapid transition to a representative self-government that is not a threat to its neighbors and is committed to ensuring the territorial integrity of that country.

This objective was never stated before the war. It was an afterthought. The Iraqi people demanded to write their own constitution with elected officials. It was not. It was written by US appointed Iraqi officials. The Iraqis were already attempting to hold their own grassroots local elections but they were cancelled by Paul Bremner. Instead the US put in their own interim government. Originally the US had plans to install Chalabi as Iraqi prime minister but their objective changed. So yes this objective was finally met but it was never the original intention of the US. Certainly not before the war.

First off DOnald Rumsfeld doesnt speak for the entire US government. Look at the iraq resolution and the goals there. We met every one of them.
But as to your contention, we met every one of Rumsfeld's as well.
We ended Saddam's regime
We accounted for the biological and chemical weapons.
We captured terrorists hiding in Iraq, specifically the mastermind if the Achille Lauro hijacking
We drove out terrorists. Until Obumble let them back in.
We collected lots of data on terrorist networks
We ended sanctions
We secured Iraq'a oil fields. Iraq is producing more today than before the war
We helped Iraq create a stable government. They had two free and fair elections, the first since the 1950s. Then Obozo decided to cut and run. Then Obozo decided to depose Maliki. Then Obozo decided ISIS was the JV Team. Then Obozo decided not to put boots on the ground. Then Obozo decided to side with Assad. Then Obozo...you get the idea.

 

[RKMBrown]

It's easier to answer the question what "good decision" did Bush make? Because none come to memory.

It's easier to deflect because you can't answer my question.
You'r pwned, muthufucka.

Huh? Are you on drugs? Or are you just having a hard time reading today? Where did I deflect from your question? You asked, what bad decision did Bush make and I pretty much said EVERY SINGLE ONE OF BUSHES DECISIONS WAS BAD. Not sure why you think that makes me pwned. Unless you are bragging about putting a socialist in the republican party.

Every decision of Bush's was bad? LOL! So backstopping the banks when they ceased lending to each other was bad? Cutting taxes to get us out of the Clinton recession was bad? Rolling out a drug benefit for Medicaid that has come in under projections is bad?
You are an idiot. Just a cop out idiot who couldnt argue hsi way out of a paper bag.

Yes the bank bailout was bad, for many reasons. First, bad banks should have been allowed to fail so that good banks would benefit. Chapter 13 is not new. There's a reason we have bankruptcy courts.

Yes, the way Bush cut taxes, was horrible. Giving half the country a 100% tax cut? Really? Half the country going to zero taxes? History will mark that tax cut as the final nail in the coffin of a downward spiral of socialism in this country.


Yes, tax payer funding of the legalized drug cartel through medicare (aka socialized medicine) is really really bad.

We'll add the bank bailout to things you dont know about.
How about the steel tariffs?

What makes you think I'm not familiar with the bank bailouts? You know that ones that 90% of the country was against and they went ahead with it anyway...

Steel tariffs? Ok I have only a vague memory of steel tariffs.. did Bush do something good there?

 

[Camp]

All discussions and threads about Bush being a liar that lied us into the war in Iraq end the same way. His defenders deflect into discussions about policies and politics unrelated to the topic of him being a liar that lied to get us into a war with Iraq.

 

[RKMBrown]

All discussions and threads about Bush being a liar that lied us into the war in Iraq end the same way. His defenders deflect into discussions about policies and politics unrelated to the topic of him being a liar that lied to get us into a war with Iraq.

Nah... Bush did not lie to get us into a war with Iraq. The people that say he did are are either incapable of understanding the difference between a lie and a bad decision, miss-informed, or they are capable of understanding the difference, informed, and are just bold faced liars themselves.

 

[rightwinger]

All discussions and threads about Bush being a liar that lied us into the war in Iraq end the same way. His defenders deflect into discussions about policies and politics unrelated to the topic of him being a liar that lied to get us into a war with Iraq.

Bush got the war he was itching for since he was elected President

He was willing to tell any lie to get that war

 

[RKMBrown]

All discussions and threads about Bush being a liar that lied us into the war in Iraq end the same way. His defenders deflect into discussions about policies and politics unrelated to the topic of him being a liar that lied to get us into a war with Iraq.

Bush got the war he was itching for since he was elected President

He was willing to tell any lie to get that war

Do you have any Proof of your accusation or are you just relying on Michael Moore's bull shit made up crap?

 

[Freewill]

Clinton went after OBL AND al Qaeda. The GOP was so wrapped up in him getting him impeached over some blow jobs that they sabotaged the most serious efforts.

www.makethemaccountable.com/myth/ClintonAndTerrorism.htm

Yeah old billy, blew up a pill factory, a bunch of tents meanwhile being blown himself. Yeah quite the warrior.

It wasn't just a pill factory. That is the same lame line used by the GOP to threaten Congressional investigations and neutralize military effort to take out OBL and al Qaeda assets. A "pill factory" is in fact a pharmaceutical facility with the necessary equipment and machinery need to produce chemical and biological weapons. The almost 100 cruise missiles launched at Bin Laden and al Qaeda were meant to be the beginning of a campaign to find him and kill him. The intelligence community feared that a wide open investigation(s) of the type being used by Republicans would endanger agents and informers in the field as well as methods of gathering information about al Qaeda.
You guys won't read the link I provided because it is a timeline of pesky facts that debunk you nonsense. You will scream and whine for links and when you get them you run away from them. Prove to you the sky is blue and you will deflect into a conversation about the sky at night.

What you have posted and what is in the link you provided has been so debunked I find it interesting that you keep repeating it. Seems to me that your sources are at fault. True, the Lewinsky sexual harassment by the president was a underlying cause of him walking the dog but never the less the pill factory was never proved to be anything else. And guess what, If we are to believe the supplied article, Clinton lied and people actually did die.

Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Evidence[edit]
The key piece of physical evidence linking the al-Shifa facility to production of chemical weapons was the discovery of EMPTA in a soil sample taken from the plant during a CIA clandestine operation. EMPTA, or O-Ethyl methylphosphonothioic acid, is classified as a Schedule 2B compound according to the Chemical Weapons Convention and is a VX precursor.[4] Although several theoretical uses for EMPTA were postulated as well as several patented processes using EMPTA, such as the manufacture of plastic, no known industrial uses of EMPTA were ever documented nor any products that contained EMPTA. It is, however, not banned by the Chemical Weapons Convention as originally claimed by the U.S. government. Moreover, it does not necessarily follow from the presence of EMPTA near (but outside) the boundary of Al-Shifa that this was produced in the factory: EMPTA could have been "stored in or transported near al-Shifa, instead of being produced by it", according to a report by Michael Barletta.[5]

Under-Secretary of State Thomas Pickering claimed to have sufficient evidence against Sudan, including contacts between officials at Al-Shifa plant and Iraqi chemical weapons experts, with the Iraq chemical weapons program the only one identified with using EMPTA for VX production. The National Democratic Alliance (NDA), a Sudanese opposition in Cairo led by Mubarak Al-Mahdi, also insisted that the plant was producing ingredients for chemical weapons. According to Clinton Administration officials, the plant, moreover, was heavily guarded, and showed no signs of ordinary commercial activities. However, a British engineer, Thomas Carnaffin, who worked as a technical manager during the plant's construction between 1992 and 1996, stated that the plant was neither heavily guarded nor secret, and that he never observed evidence of the production of an ingredient needed for nerve gas. The group that monitors compliance with the treaty banning chemical weapons announced that Empta did have legitimate commercial purposes in the manufacture of fungicides and antibiotics, and the owner of the factory stated emphatically in interviews that the plant was not used for anything other than pharmaceuticals, and that there was no evidence to the contrary.[6] Former Clinton administration counter terrorism advisor Richard Clarke and former national security advisor Sandy Berger also noted the facilities alleged ties with the former Iraqi government. Clarke also cited Iraq's $199,000 contract with al Shifa for veterinary medicine under the UN's Oil for Food Program. David Kay, a former UN weapons inspector also said that Iraq may have assisted in the construction of the Al-Shifa plant, noting that Sudan would be unlikely to have the technical knowledge to produce VX.[7]

Officials later acknowledged, however, "that the evidence that prompted President Clinton to order the missile strike on the Shifa plant was not as solid as first portrayed. Indeed, officials later said that there was no proof that the plant had been manufacturing or storing nerve gas, as initially suspected by the Americans, or had been linked to Osama bin Laden, who was a resident of Khartoum in the 1980s."[8]

However, a Clinton State Department official had stated that a money manager for Bin Laden had claimed that Bin Laden had, indeed, invested in Al Shifa. And that the Al Shifa manager even lived in the same Sudan house Bin Laden himself had previously lived in.[9][10]

The U.S. State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research wrote a report in 1999 questioning the attack on the factory, suggesting that the connection to bin Laden was not accurate; James Risen reported in the New York Times: "Now, the analysts renewed their doubts and told Assistant Secretary of State Phyllis Oakley that the C.I.A.'s evidence on which the attack was based was inadequate. Ms. Oakley asked them to double-check; perhaps there was some intelligence they had not yet seen. The answer came back quickly: There was no additional evidence. Ms. Oakley called a meeting of key aides and a consensus emerged: Contrary to what the Administration was saying, the case tying Al Shifa to Mr. bin Laden or to chemical weapons was weak."[11] The Chairman of El Shifa Pharmaceutical Industries, who is critical of the Sudanese government, more recently told reporters: "I had inventories of every chemical and records of every employee's history. There were no such [nerve gas] chemicals being made here."[12]

Nonetheless, Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen testified to the 9/11 Commission in 2004, characterizing Al Shifa as a "WMD-related facility", which played a "chemical weapons role" such as to pose a risk that it, with the help of the Iraqi chemical weapons program connections he also testified to, might help Al Qaeda get chemical weapons technology.[13]

Sudan has since invited the U.S. to conduct chemical tests at the site for evidence to support its claim that the plant might have been a chemical weapons factory; so far, the U.S. has refused the invitation to investigate. Nevertheless, the U.S. has refused to officially apologize for the attacks, suggesting that some privately still suspect that chemical weapons activity existed there.[8]

Directly after the strike the Sudanese government demanded that the Security Council conduct an investigation of the site to determine if it had been used to produce chemical weapons or precursors. Such an investigation was from the start opposed by the U.S. Nor has the U.S. ever let an independent laboratory analyze the sample allegedly containing EMPTA. Michael Barletta concludes that there is no evidence the al-Shifa factory was ever involved in production of chemical weapons, and it is known that many of the initial U.S. allegations were wrong.[5]

 

[Freewill]

All discussions and threads about Bush being a liar that lied us into the war in Iraq end the same way. His defenders deflect into discussions about policies and politics unrelated to the topic of him being a liar that lied to get us into a war with Iraq.

Bush got the war he was itching for since he was elected President

He was willing to tell any lie to get that war

Do you have any Proof of your accusation or are you just relying on Michael Moore's bull shit made up crap?

Proof! You want PROOF!!! They don't need no stinking PROOF!!!

 

[RKMBrown]

You understand we won, right?

And Tuatara wimps out and runs away again.
Lefties are so easy to pwn.

Of course you won. I saw the Mission Accomplished sign hanging up there. I remember how the Iraqi people welcomed all the american soldiers with open arms. I;m certainly happy there was no insurgency or terrorist groups resisting. Also congrats on getting those WMDs.

We achieved every objective we set, asswipe.

Let's look at the objectives stated by Donald Rumsfeld.

1st Objective - end the regime of Saddam Hussein by striking with force on a scope and scale that makes clear to Iraqis that he and his regime are finished

That was accomplished, there were many innocent Iraqis killed but hey that doesn't matter as long as the objective was met

2nd objective - Iraq's arsenal of biological and chemical weapons, and any program to develop nuclear weapons, are also targets, as the American military has been ordered ''to identify, isolate and eventually eliminate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

Well they were no where to be found, so this objective is null and void

3rd objective - Troops will then ''search for, capture, drive out terrorists who have found safe harbor in Iraq,

Well this objective certainly didn't work as there are more terrorists before the war even started.

4th objective - the allied forces will ''collect such intelligence as we can find related to terrorist networks in Iraq and beyond.''

Another lie so this one is null and void.

5th objectiive - collect such intelligence as we can find related to the global network of illicit weapons of mass destruction activity.''

Another lie. This objective was never completed. Null and void

6th objective - to end sanctions and to immediately deliver humanitarian relief, food and medicine to the displaced and to the many needy Iraqi citizens.

Wasn't there millions of dollars in money meant for humanitarian relief that went missing. More money was spent on contractors and their hired thugs.

7th objective - Military forces also will ''secure Iraq's oil fields and resources, which belong to the Iraqi people, and which they will need to develop their country after decades of neglect by the Iraqi regime

Yes you did secure the Oil fields and resources. You ignored securing librairies and museums and important historical buildings. BP and Exxon hold leases on many of the oil fields and production. They clearly don't belong to the Iraqi people. You clearly showed those liberals the war had nothing to do with oil.

8th objective - to help the Iraqi people create the conditions for a rapid transition to a representative self-government that is not a threat to its neighbors and is committed to ensuring the territorial integrity of that country.

This objective was never stated before the war. It was an afterthought. The Iraqi people demanded to write their own constitution with elected officials. It was not. It was written by US appointed Iraqi officials. The Iraqis were already attempting to hold their own grassroots local elections but they were cancelled by Paul Bremner. Instead the US put in their own interim government. Originally the US had plans to install Chalabi as Iraqi prime minister but their objective changed. So yes this objective was finally met but it was never the original intention of the US. Certainly not before the war.

First off DOnald Rumsfeld doesnt speak for the entire US government. Look at the iraq resolution and the goals there. We met every one of them.
But as to your contention, we met every one of Rumsfeld's as well.
We ended Saddam's regime
We accounted for the biological and chemical weapons.
We captured terrorists hiding in Iraq, specifically the mastermind if the Achille Lauro hijacking
We drove out terrorists. Until Obumble let them back in.
We collected lots of data on terrorist networks
We ended sanctions
We secured Iraq'a oil fields. Iraq is producing more today than before the war
We helped Iraq create a stable government. They had two free and fair elections, the first since the 1950s. Then Obozo decided to cut and run. Then Obozo decided to depose Maliki. Then Obozo decided ISIS was the JV Team. Then Obozo decided not to put boots on the ground. Then Obozo decided to side with Assad. Then Obozo...you get the idea.

Well said!