Bribing small to get into college is illegal. Bribing BIG to get into college -- that's OKAY!

[Blackrook]

They are only going after the small fries here, the people who make $500,000 bribes to get their kids into college.

If you bribe BIG -- say enough money to add a wing to a building, well, that's still perfectly legal.

 

[Fueri]

And if you tunnel in you're an educational asylum seeker....

 

[Maxdeath]

Sure they could turn down library wings or any of the other offers to help keep college affordable. We all know no one has any problem with the price of a college education now and no one is going to be bothered by it going even higher to pay for that library wing.

I take it you think you that bribery is a good idea. You can give to the policemens fund where all police benefit. But I think it is wrong for someone to bribe one officer and them to accept.

If someone does not have acceptable scores to get into college then they should not get in. For colleges to not accept donations that helps everyone at the college is crazy.

 

[Blackrook]

Sure they could turn down library wings or any of the other offers to help keep college affordable. We all know no one has any problem with the price of a college education now and no one is going to be bothered by it going even higher to pay for that library wing.

I take it you think you that bribery is a good idea. You can give to the policemens fund where all police benefit. But I think it is wrong for someone to bribe one officer and them to accept.

If someone does not have acceptable scores to get into college then they should not get in. For colleges to not accept donations that helps everyone at the college is crazy.

So please make your position clear.

Are you defending corruption in college admissions or are you against it?

 

[Maxdeath]

Sure they could turn down library wings or any of the other offers to help keep college affordable. We all know no one has any problem with the price of a college education now and no one is going to be bothered by it going even higher to pay for that library wing.

I take it you think you that bribery is a good idea. You can give to the policemens fund where all police benefit. But I think it is wrong for someone to bribe one officer and them to accept.

If someone does not have acceptable scores to get into college then they should not get in. For colleges to not accept donations that helps everyone at the college is crazy.

So please make your position clear.

Are you defending corruption in college admissions or are you against it?

I guess you really have a problem understanding.
IF someone does NOT have the proper scores to get into college they should NOT be allowed in.
Just because someone gives a donation to a college that benefits everyone at the college they should not be accused of cheating the system.
If you give a donation to the policemens widow and orphans fund should you be accused of trying to get nonexistent speeding tickets removed?

Believe it or not some people actually give because they want nothing more then to help.
The problem with the current scandal was money was used to enrich only a few at the colleges in an effort to bypass entrance requirements.
You are trying to assume that any money that is given to a college is an attempt to bypass the system.

 

[Lesh]

They are only going after the small fries here, the people who make $500,000 bribes to get their kids into college.

Small fries?

$500K?

How's the air on your (very rich) planet?

 

[easyt65]

They are only going after the small fries here, the people who make $500,000 bribes to get their kids into college.

If you bribe BIG -- say enough money to add a wing to a building, well, that's still perfectly legal.

I am not the only one who has pointed out that the AG's comment - 'We are not talking about buying a building' - was dumb as hell, as if buying a college a building (BRIBE) is ok, but putting money directly into the pockets of school staff / coaches is not.

 

[martybegan]

They are only going after the small fries here, the people who make $500,000 bribes to get their kids into college.

If you bribe BIG -- say enough money to add a wing to a building, well, that's still perfectly legal.

The difference is the "legacy" or "donation" approach to getting your kid into a given school is in the open. Everyone knows what is going on, and I doubt the few slots available via this method impact anyone else's attempt to get into said institution.

The current situation is one of fraud, pure and simple. It was "B to C" list rich people trying to get their kids in through the normal channels, using fraudulent credentials, including tests scores gotten by someone else, and fake athletic talents, to improve their admissions score compared to everyone else.

Higgins Penderghast Bloworth the 23rd will get into Harvard just like the 22 past HGB's, and his seat isn't available to anyone else. That isn't going to stop.

What has to stop is people using fraud to get a higher slot in the game the rest of us have to play to get admitted to these places.

 

[martybegan]

They are only going after the small fries here, the people who make $500,000 bribes to get their kids into college.

If you bribe BIG -- say enough money to add a wing to a building, well, that's still perfectly legal.

I am not the only one who has pointed out that the AG's comment - 'We are not talking about buying a building' - was dumb as hell, as if buying a college a building (BRIBE) is ok, but putting money directly into the pockets of school staff / coaches is not.

As long as the institution is private, I don't see the issue with the building donation or legacy route. Honestly those slots for admission are probably saved and separate from the general admission pool.

The difference with the current situation is fraud. Fraud which is used to elevate someone above others competing for the same slots.

 

[xband]

Rodney Dangerfield builds a Business Building to get him in College in 'Back to School'. That movie is a comedy classic with a lot of movie stars. Even Kurt Vonnegut is in it who Rodney fires.

 

[22lcidw]

What has happened is all the people in the forefront and have a national or regional recognition can not accept that their children are spoiled and not the best of civility. So the pay to make it look better. To not be embarrassed. I understand it. Fiefdoms of power are the reality. There is so much more then this as the tip of the iceberg will probably not be eclipsed. To protect the cheaters who are so important. As most are progressive socialists in politics.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

Not only are bribes and actions like this illegal, unethical, unfair, and selfish, but they also actually harm other people in the process. It’s not a zero sum game so to speak.

 

[easyt65]

As long as the institution is private, I don't see the issue with the building donation or legacy route.

None of these schools are 'private', meaning no federal money whatsoever. Also, hiding the fact that you can just BUY your kids' way into college is fraud. This is obviously illegal based on the FBI being involved and making arrests.

So you are OK with a system that allows bribes and f*s deserving students.

Then what is wrong with bribing an Electoral College Voter by buying them a House or a car to vote a certain way? What is wrong with buying a politician by buying them a private jet or a yacht?

I am not trying to 'bash' you - If that's what you believe that's fine. I have no serious heartburn with it. We will just agree to disagree. Thank you for being honest.

 

[xband]

What has happened is all the people in the forefront and have a national or regional recognition can not accept that their children are spoiled and not the best of civility. So the pay to make it look better. To not be embarrassed. I understand it. Fiefdoms of power are the reality. There is so much more then this as the tip of the iceberg will probably not be eclipsed. To protect the cheaters who are so important. As most are progressive socialists in politics.

I only cheated once in High School and in 10th grade Geometry and got caught by the sneaky teacher. I got a 0 for the first semester and got a 100 in the second semester when I did not cheat and I passed the course with a D-. Years later I was a Navy Instructor and no cheating was allowed anyway or anyhow in my class. To add insult to injury my mom had to talk with the Geometry Teacher.

 

[Lesh]

Not only are bribes and actions like this illegal, unethical, unfair, and selfish, but they also actually harm other people in the process. It’s not a zero sum game so to speak.

It actually IS a zero sum game. Every undeserving kid that gets admitted keeps someone who IS deserving from being admitted

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

Not only are bribes and actions like this illegal, unethical, unfair, and selfish, but they also actually harm other people in the process. It’s not a zero sum game so to speak.

It actually IS a zero sum game. Every undeserving kid that gets admitted keeps someone who IS deserving from being admitted

I guess I used that phrase wrong. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[xband]

A College Degree is irrelevant these days. My first job after I got out of the Navy, I competed against PHD who worked at Fermi Lab and I got hired but he didn't.

 

[martybegan]

As long as the institution is private, I don't see the issue with the building donation or legacy route.

None of these schools are 'private', meaning no federal money whatsoever. Also, hiding the fact that you can just BUY your kids' way into college is fraud. This is obviously illegal based on the FBI being involved and making arrests.

So you are OK with a system that allows bribes and f*s deserving students.

Then what is wrong with bribing an Electoral College Voter by buying them a House or a car to vote a certain way? What is wrong with buying a politician by buying them a private jet or a yacht?

I am not trying to 'bash' you - If that's what you believe that's fine. I have no serious heartburn with it. We will just agree to disagree. Thank you for being honest.

With the old system, the legacies and the library building people, there was no fraud. It was out in the open, and again I doubt those few that go that route impact the general admissions.

Private Schools are not State run schools, which fall under governmental restrictions.

I find a big difference between government interactions and private interactions. Government must be held to a higher standard.

 

[martybegan]

Not only are bribes and actions like this illegal, unethical, unfair, and selfish, but they also actually harm other people in the process. It’s not a zero sum game so to speak.

It actually IS a zero sum game. Every undeserving kid that gets admitted keeps someone who IS deserving from being admitted

Only if the legacy and library building admissions count against the general admissions count and limit.

The current fraud was played out in the general admissions pool.

 

[easyt65]

With the old system, the legacies and the library building people, there was no fraud. It was out in the open, and again I doubt those few that go that route impact the general admissions.

Like I said, we are going to have to agree to disagree. I don't care if it is 'out in the open', 'giving a school a building' to get your kid into a college is still a bribe, just as if you walked up and gave the dean of the college a wad of cash. You think that was / is ok. I don't.