BREAKING: Family of Palestinian toddler burned alive sue Israel

[P F Tinmore]

What you neglect to mention though is that they had been firing rockets into Israel's civilian population.

Hamas offered an agreement to Israel for both sides to stop killing civilians. Israel rejected the offer.

If Israel does not care about its civilians, why should Hamas?

When and what agreement?

The main question was about the settlers: Are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not. Even according to the Israelis they are not.
In 2003 we went to Cairo. The Egyptians asked whether Hamas is ready to stop the martyrdom operations or not. We gave the Egyptians a better offer. We were ready to have an agreement to stop targeting civilians [on] both sides. The army is supposed to fight, but civilians should be out of it. The Egyptians agreed and passed it on to the Israelis.

Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

Halevi went back to Israel, but Sharon rejected the proposal.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org

According to you This is not a civilian.
Three Year Old Stabbed in the Heart, Baby's Throat Slashed

The initial findings of the investigation into the terrorist massacre in the Israeli town of Itamar in Samaria Friday night show that the Fatah ‘Freedom Fighters’ stabbed the Fogel family's sleeping three year old in the heart and slashed the throat of his three-month-old sister.

Click here for photos on the murder victims (Warning: Extremely Graphic)

The IDF and police forces are conducting widespread searches in the vicinity of the community since the barbaric terrorist murder of five members of the Fogel family in their home on Friday night.

It is not yet clear how many terrorists took part in the massacre. About 20 Arabs have been arrested up to now.

It took 20 arabs to kill one three month old.

Not me. It is the Geneva Accords.

Children are the parent's responsibility. Why would settlers raise their families in Israel's war zone?

 

[Coyote]

Why won't they hold elections?

Abbas is holding up elections.

Oh?

 

[Indeependent]

Oh, you are so disingenuous.

Oh, you are so disingenuous.

If you can't learn to live in peace there, then find somewhere that you can. Imo, you people would be best suited for Antarctica as there is no one there.

You're not paying attention. It's you muhamnedans who can't live in peace. The Hamas charter spells out the goal of destroying Israel and Jews.

Our rabbis know that zionism is the problem, not hamas or fatah. You made them delete the pics showing this.

You just whine, "hamas" every time you're beat.

"Our rabbis"...Stick the NKs up your ass.

 

[Coyote]

What you neglect to mention though is that they had been firing rockets into Israel's civilian population.

Hamas offered an agreement to Israel for both sides to stop killing civilians. Israel rejected the offer.

If Israel does not care about its civilians, why should Hamas?

When and what agreement?

The main question was about the settlers: Are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not. Even according to the Israelis they are not.
In 2003 we went to Cairo. The Egyptians asked whether Hamas is ready to stop the martyrdom operations or not. We gave the Egyptians a better offer. We were ready to have an agreement to stop targeting civilians [on] both sides. The army is supposed to fight, but civilians should be out of it. The Egyptians agreed and passed it on to the Israelis.

Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

Halevi went back to Israel, but Sharon rejected the proposal.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org

What you neglect to mention though is that they had been firing rockets into Israel's civilian population.

Hamas offered an agreement to Israel for both sides to stop killing civilians. Israel rejected the offer.

If Israel does not care about its civilians, why should Hamas?

When and what agreement?

The main question was about the settlers: Are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not. Even according to the Israelis they are not.
In 2003 we went to Cairo. The Egyptians asked whether Hamas is ready to stop the martyrdom operations or not. We gave the Egyptians a better offer. We were ready to have an agreement to stop targeting civilians [on] both sides. The army is supposed to fight, but civilians should be out of it. The Egyptians agreed and passed it on to the Israelis.

Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

Halevi went back to Israel, but Sharon rejected the proposal.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org

In your heart of hearts how can they not be? How can a toddler, an infant, an aged grandmother be anything but a civilian? It's like those inhuman creeps that shrugged and said " one less terrorist" when that Palestinian family was firebombed and a little child burned alive.

 

[Coyote]

What you neglect to mention though is that they had been firing rockets into Israel's civilian population.

Hamas offered an agreement to Israel for both sides to stop killing civilians. Israel rejected the offer.

If Israel does not care about its civilians, why should Hamas?

When and what agreement?

The main question was about the settlers: Are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not. Even according to the Israelis they are not.
In 2003 we went to Cairo. The Egyptians asked whether Hamas is ready to stop the martyrdom operations or not. We gave the Egyptians a better offer. We were ready to have an agreement to stop targeting civilians [on] both sides. The army is supposed to fight, but civilians should be out of it. The Egyptians agreed and passed it on to the Israelis.

Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

Halevi went back to Israel, but Sharon rejected the proposal.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org

According to you This is not a civilian.
Three Year Old Stabbed in the Heart, Baby's Throat Slashed

The initial findings of the investigation into the terrorist massacre in the Israeli town of Itamar in Samaria Friday night show that the Fatah ‘Freedom Fighters’ stabbed the Fogel family's sleeping three year old in the heart and slashed the throat of his three-month-old sister.

Click here for photos on the murder victims (Warning: Extremely Graphic)

The IDF and police forces are conducting widespread searches in the vicinity of the community since the barbaric terrorist murder of five members of the Fogel family in their home on Friday night.

It is not yet clear how many terrorists took part in the massacre. About 20 Arabs have been arrested up to now.

It took 20 arabs to kill one three month old.

No.

They conduct mass sweeps of people when stuff like this occurs. That does not mean they are guilty.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why won't they hold elections?

Abbas is holding up elections.

Oh?

Abbas is in his 12th year of a four year term. He refuses to step down (propped up by the US) and allow the constitutional procedures to move forward for elections. The US does not want those procedures to move forward.

 

[Coyote]

Why won't they hold elections?

Abbas is holding up elections.

Oh?

Abbas is in his 12th year of a four year term. He refuses to step down (propped up by the US) and allow the constitutional procedures to move forward for elections. The US does not want those procedures to move forward.

And how is Hamas moving forward with elections?

 

[Indeependent]

Why won't they hold elections?

Abbas is holding up elections.

Oh?

Abbas is in his 12th year of a four year term. He refuses to step down (propped up by the US) and allow the constitutional procedures to move forward for elections. The US does not want those procedures to move forward.

And how is Hamas moving forward with elections?

By blowing up the competition.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why won't they hold elections?

Abbas is holding up elections.

Oh?

Abbas is in his 12th year of a four year term. He refuses to step down (propped up by the US) and allow the constitutional procedures to move forward for elections. The US does not want those procedures to move forward.

And how is Hamas moving forward with elections?

They can't. The procedure is for the speaker of parliament to temporarily assume the office of the president and call for elections within 60 days.

The last legal speaker of parliament is Dr, Aziz Dweik, a member of Hamas. The US/Abbas will not allow that to happen.

Hamas is in favor of elections but only if carried out by legal procedures.

 

[Lipush]

Hamas offered an agreement to Israel for both sides to stop killing civilians. Israel rejected the offer.

Do you mean the 2008 agreement brokered through Egypt?

Stop derailing, this thread is about incinerating a child that was asleep.

I asked you a question that you chose to ignore.

Will you or will you not condemn the murder of Shalhevet Pass?

Of course he won't.

As it is off topic and has nothing to do with the OP and you, yourself have instructed me to not fall for that crap.

But, now, you join right in. Tell me how it pertains to the OP. In case you forgot, here it is...

Palestinian toddler burned alive

I payed extra care in my post to keep the issue to the point.

I said and again I say- The murder of Ali Dawabshe was appalling. It is not the Israeli or the Jewish way, and he was not a ligitimate target. I, as well as any Israeli, condemn the action that took his life.

Now, can you answer this simply question. Will you, for the sake of honesty and enlightenment you're so sure you posses, condemn the murder of Shalhevet Pass the same way?

Why is that so hard to answer a simple question?

 

[Lipush]

Oh, you are so disingenuous.

Oh, you are so disingenuous.

If you can't learn to live in peace there, then find somewhere that you can. Imo, you people would be best suited for Antarctica as there is no one there.

You're not paying attention. It's you muhamnedans who can't live in peace. The Hamas charter spells out the goal of destroying Israel and Jews.

Our rabbis know that zionism is the problem, not hamas or fatah. You made them delete the pics showing this.

You just whine, "hamas" every time you're beat.

"Our rabbis"...Stick the NKs up your ass.

How much are you willing to bet he'd never seen a Rabbi in his entire life?


Speaking of which, about three years ago I got the provilidge and the complete honor of meeting Rabbi Lau (Israel Me'ir) in person. Wow. What a great man. I wish I could discuss and learn things from him on daily basis. He is the kind of people whose greatness simply radiates out of them

 

[Slyhunter]

What you neglect to mention though is that they had been firing rockets into Israel's civilian population.

Hamas offered an agreement to Israel for both sides to stop killing civilians. Israel rejected the offer.

If Israel does not care about its civilians, why should Hamas?

When and what agreement?

The main question was about the settlers: Are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not. Even according to the Israelis they are not.
In 2003 we went to Cairo. The Egyptians asked whether Hamas is ready to stop the martyrdom operations or not. We gave the Egyptians a better offer. We were ready to have an agreement to stop targeting civilians [on] both sides. The army is supposed to fight, but civilians should be out of it. The Egyptians agreed and passed it on to the Israelis.

Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

Halevi went back to Israel, but Sharon rejected the proposal.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org

According to you This is not a civilian.
Three Year Old Stabbed in the Heart, Baby's Throat Slashed

The initial findings of the investigation into the terrorist massacre in the Israeli town of Itamar in Samaria Friday night show that the Fatah ‘Freedom Fighters’ stabbed the Fogel family's sleeping three year old in the heart and slashed the throat of his three-month-old sister.

Click here for photos on the murder victims (Warning: Extremely Graphic)

The IDF and police forces are conducting widespread searches in the vicinity of the community since the barbaric terrorist murder of five members of the Fogel family in their home on Friday night.

It is not yet clear how many terrorists took part in the massacre. About 20 Arabs have been arrested up to now.

It took 20 arabs to kill one three month old.

Not me. It is the Geneva Accords.

Children are the parent's responsibility. Why would settlers raise their families in Israel's war zone?

Why would Arabs do so either? Why would Arabs put their children at risk by launching Rockets from their schools?

 

[Hollie]

Why won't they hold elections?

Abbas is holding up elections.

Oh?

Abbas is in his 12th year of a four year term. He refuses to step down (propped up by the US) and allow the constitutional procedures to move forward for elections. The US does not want those procedures to move forward.

And how is Hamas moving forward with elections?

They can't. The procedure is for the speaker of parliament to temporarily assume the office of the president and call for elections within 60 days.

The last legal speaker of parliament is Dr, Aziz Dweik, a member of Hamas. The US/Abbas will not allow that to happen.

Hamas is in favor of elections but only if carried out by legal procedures.

You need to address a reality based worldview and not allow your conspiratorial mindset to cloud your thinking. The Great Satan™ is not responsible for the failure of either Hamas or fatah to hold elections. I understand you want excuses and your need to blame anyone but Islamic terrorist "governments" for the lack of accountability but you just perpetrate the silly "poor, oppressed Arabs-Moslems" meme.

Just be honest. You feel you can continue the charade of Arab-Moslem terrorists managing the civil affairs of a representative government. However, the two competing Islamic theocratic totalitarian enclaves of Gaza'istan and Fatah'istan are really no different than any other of the Islamic theocratic totalitarian dystopias that haunt the Islamist Middle East.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The targets are women and children?

Yes, clearly.

Israel is targeting women and children as a strategy to pressure Palestinian protests against their policies of oppression and restrictions on non-Jewish civilians in Occupied Palestine. The death toll of Palestinian civilians, including children, continues to increase.
Israel targets and kills women & children in Gaza attacks

we of course never hear any of this real news from the Israel controlled press here in the US.

 

[louie888]

The murder of Ali Dawabshe was appalling. It is not the Israeli or the Jewish way, and he was not a ligitimate target.

Damn right he wasn't a legit target, but that IS the israeli way and then it gets conflated with the jewish way and this is what causes antisemitism.

 

[Shusha]

The main question was about the settlers: Are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not.

In the context of our discussion -- which is the moral and legal permissibility of killing people, including children -- your comments are horrifying, misleading and amount to the same incitement that both Fatah and Hamas are guilty of. The implication is that since "settlers" ** are not civilians they can be arbitrarily stripped of their right to life under international law.

First, the moral hypocrisy is ASTOUNDING. Team Palestine begins thread after thread after thread expounding upon the immorality and illegality of Israelis "bombing children and families in their beds", and yet killing a family celebrating the birth of a child and grandchild at their Shabbat dinner is morally correct, based solely on the ethnicity of those murdered! Its an appalling moral stance to take.

Second, it is legally incorrect. The Geneva Conventions, as well as ICHL, define civilians, generally, as those who are not combatants. (See Article 50, 1977 Additional Protocol as example; see also Military Manuals of various countries). Additionally, and rather obviously, IHL guarantees that no person shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to life.

Thus, your comments are nothing more than reaching for a justification to kill Jews.


**meaning Jewish people living in territory over which sovereignty is disputed and there exists no legal, binding treaty which provides a just and permanent solution)

 

[Lipush]

The murder of Ali Dawabshe was appalling. It is not the Israeli or the Jewish way, and he was not a ligitimate target.

Damn right he wasn't a legit target, but that IS the israeli way and then it gets conflated with the jewish way and this is what causes antisemitism.

I ask again. Will you condemn the murder of Shalhevet Pass?

 

[Lipush]

The murder of Ali Dawabshe was appalling. It is not the Israeli or the Jewish way, and he was not a ligitimate target.

Damn right he wasn't a legit target, but that IS the israeli way and then it gets conflated with the jewish way and this is what causes antisemitism.

So my grandma was sent to Awschwitz because of the Israeli Palestinian conflict?

since that is what causes Antisemitism...

 

[louie888]

The main question was about the settlers: Are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not.

In the context of our discussion -- which is the moral and legal permissibility of killing people, including children -- your comments are horrifying, misleading and amount to the same incitement that both Fatah and Hamas are guilty of. The implication is that since "settlers" ** are not civilians they can be arbitrarily stripped of their right to life under international law.

First, the moral hypocrisy is ASTOUNDING. Team Palestine begins thread after thread after thread expounding upon the immorality and illegality of Israelis "bombing children and families in their beds", and yet killing a family celebrating the birth of a child and grandchild at their Shabbat dinner is morally correct, based solely on the ethnicity of those murdered! Its an appalling moral stance to take.

Second, it is legally incorrect. The Geneva Conventions, as well as ICHL, define civilians, generally, as those who are not combatants. (See Article 50, 1977 Additional Protocol as example; see also Military Manuals of various countries). Additionally, and rather obviously, IHL guarantees that no person shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to life.

Thus, your comments are nothing more than reaching for a justification to kill Jews.


**meaning Jewish people living in territory over which sovereignty is disputed and there exists no legal, binding treaty which provides a just and permanent solution)

You just derail and pretend this is OK.

Palestinian women look at the damage at the Dawabsha family's home in the West Bank village of Duma on August 4, 2015, after it was set on fire by suspected Jewish extremists on July 31, 2015, killing 18-month-old Ali Saad Dawabsha (AFP Photo/MENAHEM KAHANA)

Family of Palestinian toddler burned alive sue Israel

 

[louie888]

The murder of Ali Dawabshe was appalling. It is not the Israeli or the Jewish way, and he was not a ligitimate target.

Damn right he wasn't a legit target, but that IS the israeli way and then it gets conflated with the jewish way and this is what causes antisemitism.

So my grandma was sent to Awschwitz because of the Israeli Palestinian conflict?

since that is what causes Antisemitism...

No, illiterate.

Now stop derailing from the OP.

Palestinian women look at the damage at the Dawabsha family's home in the West Bank village of Duma on August 4, 2015, after it was set on fire by suspected Jewish extremists on July 31, 2015, killing 18-month-old Ali Saad Dawabsha (AFP Photo/MENAHEM KAHANA)

Family of Palestinian toddler burned alive sue Israel