BREAKING: Family of Palestinian toddler burned alive sue Israel

[Indeependent]

However, we also routinely place responsibility where it belongs. Often on Hamas.

The hamas card? Are you that desperate?

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It's something that you refuse to see.

We also don't claim that children are civilians just because they are Jewish and live on the "wrong" side of some imagined border.

What?

And personally, since the child in question is a Palestinian citizen if memory serves, shouldn't he be receiving compensation from the Palestinian "social welfare" program?

More off topic derailing that only you get away with apparently.

I already explained why the NK are incorrect.
Maybe that's why there are so few of them.

 

[Shusha]

We also don't claim that children aren't civilians just because they are Jewish and live on the "wrong" side of some imagined border.

What?

Your friend on Team Palestine claims that Jewish children in "Palestine" are not civilians and are therefore legitimate targets and it is morally and legally permissible to kill them.

 

[louie888]

I already explained why the NK are incorrect.
Maybe that's why there are so few of them.

Not to stray, but there are 100s of thousands of anti-zionist Orthodox Jews and an even greeater number in the other sects.

Beyond that, all the nonreligious ones know it's wrong to bomb kids or anybody. Pretty much the whole world but for y'all get that.

 

[louie888]

Your friend on Team Palestine claims that Jewish children in "Palestine" are not civilians and are therefore legitimate targets and it is morally and legally permissible to kill them.

Quote function or stop lying.

 

[Indeependent]

I already explained why the NK are incorrect.
Maybe that's why there are so few of them.

there are 100s of thousands of anti-zionist Orthodox Jews and an even greeater number in the other sects.

Prove it.

 

[Hollie]

I already explained why the NK are incorrect.
Maybe that's why there are so few of them.

Not to stray, but there are 100s of thousands of anti-zionist Orthodox Jews and an even greeater number in the other sects.

Beyond that, all the nonreligious ones know it's wrong to bomb kids or anybody. Pretty much the whole world but for y'all get that.

Well gee-whiz Habib, pass on your sniveling and whining about killing "kids or anybody" to your Islamic terrorist heroes.


Palestinian rockets killed more Gazans in 2014 war: Amnesty | Daily Mail Online

 

[Indeependent]

I already explained why the NK are incorrect.
Maybe that's why there are so few of them.

Not to stray, but there are 100s of thousands of anti-zionist Orthodox Jews and an even greeater number in the other sects.

Beyond that, all the nonreligious ones know it's wrong to bomb kids or anybody. Pretty much the whole world but for y'all get that.

Well gee-whiz Habib, pass on your sniveling and whining about killing "kids or anybody" to your Islamic terrorist heroes.


Palestinian rockets killed more Gazans in 2014 war: Amnesty | Daily Mail Online

Hasbara lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Slyhunter]

No, illiterate.

Now stop derailing from the OP.

Palestinian women look at the damage at the Dawabsha family's home in the West Bank village of Duma on August 4, 2015, after it was set on fire by suspected Jewish extremists on July 31, 2015, killing 18-month-old Ali Saad Dawabsha (AFP Photo/MENAHEM KAHANA)

Family of Palestinian toddler burned alive sue Israel

I responded to the topic at least 5 times.

I ask again: Will you condemn the murder of Shalhevet Pass?

The child's father, Yitzchak Pass, later joined the Bat Ayin Underground terrorist group which planned to blow up a Palestinian girls' school in East Jerusalem and was eventually arrested and convicted for possession of 10 pounds of explosive. He served a two-year prison sentence

His anger was understood, just like it would have been understood in case it was, God forbid, YOUR child who would have been shot in the head while sleeping. If the father was a part of a terrorist group planning to hurt Palestinian teens who did nothing, then it was right that he served time.

My issue was the murder of the baby. How about you? do you think she was a legitimate target?

Collateral damage? that frase seems to work for Palestinian children killed by israel, but I bet you don't even know the name of one of the 344 Palestinian children killed during cast lead

I despise that phrase "collateral damage" no matter who uses it. Do you think that murder is acceptable?

Why is that so hard for Pro-Palestinian to admit that their so beloved opressed people are capable of cruel murders as well? How is that you feel you can lecture the people of the "occupation" for "tolerating" children's death, when you don't have the dignity to see this equaly? Do you seriously think stabbing a three month old baby in her sleep, while she's in the arms of her father, is in any way more acceptable than setting a one year old on fire?

It is impossible to fight a war without collateral damage if the enemy encamps in civilian areas. To say you can't attack enemy combatants if any civilian is injured is to give up and surrender to the enemy because they don't have that compunction.

You want to stop the civilians from dieing then stop putting military targets in their midst. Come out in the open and face the Israelis like men, so they can die like men and this can all be over.

 

[Shusha]

It is impossible to fight a war without collateral damage if the enemy encamps in civilian areas. To say you can't attack enemy combatants if any civilian is injured is to give up and surrender to the enemy because they don't have that compunction.

You want to stop the civilians from dieing then stop putting military targets in their midst. Come out in the open and face the Israelis like men, so they can die like men and this can all be over.

Exactly. We don't live in a day and age where two armies of trained combat fighters meet on either side of a field of battle and shoot at each other until one side gives up and limps home.

So what IS the proper way to conduct a war these days? What is the proper response to indiscriminate weapons launched at your nation's civilian population? What do you do in the face of war crimes committed against your innocent civilians?

Should Israel launch indiscriminate rockets in return? Tit-for-tat?

Should Israel ignore them altogether?

Should Israel conduct only ground incursions?

Should Israel only respond with economic sanctions?

Should Israel evacuate civilians?

What?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hamas offered an agreement to Israel for both sides to stop killing civilians. Israel rejected the offer.

If Israel does not care about its civilians, why should Hamas?

When and what agreement?

The main question was about the settlers: Are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not. Even according to the Israelis they are not.
In 2003 we went to Cairo. The Egyptians asked whether Hamas is ready to stop the martyrdom operations or not. We gave the Egyptians a better offer. We were ready to have an agreement to stop targeting civilians [on] both sides. The army is supposed to fight, but civilians should be out of it. The Egyptians agreed and passed it on to the Israelis.

Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

Halevi went back to Israel, but Sharon rejected the proposal.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org

According to you This is not a civilian.
Three Year Old Stabbed in the Heart, Baby's Throat Slashed

The initial findings of the investigation into the terrorist massacre in the Israeli town of Itamar in Samaria Friday night show that the Fatah ‘Freedom Fighters’ stabbed the Fogel family's sleeping three year old in the heart and slashed the throat of his three-month-old sister.

Click here for photos on the murder victims (Warning: Extremely Graphic)

The IDF and police forces are conducting widespread searches in the vicinity of the community since the barbaric terrorist murder of five members of the Fogel family in their home on Friday night.

It is not yet clear how many terrorists took part in the massacre. About 20 Arabs have been arrested up to now.

It took 20 arabs to kill one three month old.

Not me. It is the Geneva Accords.

Children are the parent's responsibility. Why would settlers raise their families in Israel's war zone?

Why would Arabs do so either? Why would Arabs put their children at risk by launching Rockets from their schools?

Like their allies, the Liberals, common sense is foreign to them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I responded to the topic at least 5 times.

I ask again: Will you condemn the murder of Shalhevet Pass?

The child's father, Yitzchak Pass, later joined the Bat Ayin Underground terrorist group which planned to blow up a Palestinian girls' school in East Jerusalem and was eventually arrested and convicted for possession of 10 pounds of explosive. He served a two-year prison sentence

His anger was understood, just like it would have been understood in case it was, God forbid, YOUR child who would have been shot in the head while sleeping. If the father was a part of a terrorist group planning to hurt Palestinian teens who did nothing, then it was right that he served time.

My issue was the murder of the baby. How about you? do you think she was a legitimate target?

Collateral damage? that frase seems to work for Palestinian children killed by israel, but I bet you don't even know the name of one of the 344 Palestinian children killed during cast lead

I despise that phrase "collateral damage" no matter who uses it. Do you think that murder is acceptable?

Why is that so hard for Pro-Palestinian to admit that their so beloved opressed people are capable of cruel murders as well? How is that you feel you can lecture the people of the "occupation" for "tolerating" children's death, when you don't have the dignity to see this equaly? Do you seriously think stabbing a three month old baby in her sleep, while she's in the arms of her father, is in any way more acceptable than setting a one year old on fire?

It is impossible to fight a war without collateral damage if the enemy encamps in civilian areas. To say you can't attack enemy combatants if any civilian is injured is to give up and surrender to the enemy because they don't have that compunction.

You want to stop the civilians from dieing then stop putting military targets in their midst. Come out in the open and face the Israelis like men, so they can die like men and this can all be over.

Off topic and unsubstantiated talking points. How does this relate to the OP?

Like the IDF that hides in airplanes, hides in tanks, and hides in armored bulldozers?

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is impossible to fight a war without collateral damage if the enemy encamps in civilian areas. To say you can't attack enemy combatants if any civilian is injured is to give up and surrender to the enemy because they don't have that compunction.

You want to stop the civilians from dieing then stop putting military targets in their midst. Come out in the open and face the Israelis like men, so they can die like men and this can all be over.

Exactly. We don't live in a day and age where two armies of trained combat fighters meet on either side of a field of battle and shoot at each other until one side gives up and limps home.

So what IS the proper way to conduct a war these days? What is the proper response to indiscriminate weapons launched at your nation's civilian population? What do you do in the face of war crimes committed against your innocent civilians?

Should Israel launch indiscriminate rockets in return? Tit-for-tat?

Should Israel ignore them altogether?

Should Israel conduct only ground incursions?

Should Israel only respond with economic sanctions?

Should Israel evacuate civilians?

What?

Stopping the occupation would work.

 

[Shusha]

Stopping the occupation would work.

There is no way for Israel to "stop the occupation" according to Arab definition, because the presence of Jews anywhere in the territory would still constitute an "occupation". When you say "stop the occupation" you mean either remove the unwanted Jews or return them to a dhimmi status like they are in Syria.

Gaza proved all this.

 

[fanger]

When you say "in the territory" to which area are you alluding to

 

[Shusha]

When you say "in the territory" to which area are you alluding to

All of it. Anything that is not Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq or Lebanon.

 

[Shusha]

And I said that Gaza proves this. The Temple Mount this past two weeks also proved this.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Stopping the occupation would work.

There is no way for Israel to "stop the occupation" according to Arab definition, because the presence of Jews anywhere in the territory would still constitute an "occupation". When you say "stop the occupation" you mean either remove the unwanted Jews or return them to a dhimmi status like they are in Syria.

Gaza proved all this.

None of that is true.

 

[Shusha]

Stopping the occupation would work.

There is no way for Israel to "stop the occupation" according to Arab definition, because the presence of Jews anywhere in the territory would still constitute an "occupation". When you say "stop the occupation" you mean either remove the unwanted Jews or return them to a dhimmi status like they are in Syria.

Gaza proved all this.

None of that is true.

Enlighten me then. How does Israel go about "stopping the occupation". By demolishing its government? By flooding the country with 5 million returning Arabs?

Its national suicide. Probably literal suicide as well.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Stopping the occupation would work.

There is no way for Israel to "stop the occupation" according to Arab definition, because the presence of Jews anywhere in the territory would still constitute an "occupation". When you say "stop the occupation" you mean either remove the unwanted Jews or return them to a dhimmi status like they are in Syria.

Gaza proved all this.

None of that is true.

Enlighten me then. How does Israel go about "stopping the occupation". By demolishing its government? By flooding the country with 5 million returning Arabs?

Its national suicide. Probably literal suicide as well.

Indeed, Israel has created quite a problem for itself.

 

[Shusha]

Look what is happening on the Temple Mount today.

The Arabs returned to the Temple Mount, after having achieved everything they asked for. Did they do so with dignity and respect for the holy place and for the goal they achieved? No. They started a riot. Why? What was the riot today intended to achieve? What were they "resisting"?

Team Palestine keeps talking about "resistance" as though the violence has a goal and once that goal is met there will obviously be no more violence. Its wrong. Its not true. Its demonstrably not true. Not true in Gaza. Not true at the Temple Mount. It won't be true in all of "Palestine" once Israel is eliminated.

Do you honestly believe that the religious hatred and the idea that "Jews don't belong here" and "Jews are inherently evil" and "we must fight the Jews" is going to go away when more Arabs arrive and they come into power?

Do you honestly believe the Arab Palestinians, once in power, are going to be any different than the Arab Muslims in power in other places in the world?