Both Sides of the Gun Debate Need to Listen to This

[Skull Pilot]

do any of your current neighbors own firearms?

Do you feel safe in your current neighborhood knowing your neighbors own firearms?

I don't if any of them own guns or not so my ignorance is my bliss. I did meet one neighbor while walking the dog, and he was carrying a machete. He is a West Point grad and one of the finest people I know but no, I didn't feel any safer.

I ask this question of liberals but never get an answer.

If you are walking down the street, and you see me openly carrying my .45 S&W, M&P shield, and then you hear Allah ooh Akbar and a rag wearing, machete wielding terrorist coming at you, with intent to cut your head off, do you want me to walk away with my weapon, or pull it and use it in your defense?

Quite the hypothetical there but sure, please defend me.

See here's where the rubber meets the road when it comes to the rights of others.

I for one will not pull my weapon to defend you from a terrorist who wants to cut off your head.

Why? Because you made the choice not to exercise your right to keep and bear arms. You made the choice to leave your protection in the hands of the government and its law enforcement agencies.

I have so much respect for you and your rights that I would never presume to question you on that choice and would never force my choices upon you.

So if I see you getting the tar kicked out of you by some thugs or about to be beheaded by some terrorist I will call the police and an ambulance for you and hope you don't get killed before they show up.

And you should thank me for respecting your right to make your own decisions.

You're welcome by the way.

All I ask is that you reciprocate

Thanks, no problem. I make the judgement that it is more dangerous for my family to be around a deadly weapon. So far it has been the right call.

It is until it isn't.

I consider a firearm to be an insurance policy. I hope I never need it but I'm sure glad it's there if I do.

 

[alang1216]

Registration might make it harder for felons to get weapons since they can be traced.

OMG. THAT MAY BE THE STUPID POST OF THE YEAR!

Like a criminal CARES!

The criminal might not care but the person who would be tempted to sell to the criminal might care.

I don't guess you realize that it's against the law in MOST states to sell a firearm to someone who can't pass the background check. They don't seem to care about that, do they?

I don't guess you realize that in many circumstances you don't have to determine if someone could pass a background check before legally selling them a gun.

 

[alang1216]

I consider a firearm to be an insurance policy. I hope I never need it but I'm sure glad it's there if I do.

Based on your previous terms of use, you carrying an insurance policy doesn't make me any safer. In fact it puts me at risk, however small, of being a victim of your insurance due to an accident or mistake on your part.

 

[Pop23]

Registration might make it harder for felons to get weapons since they can be traced.

OMG. THAT MAY BE THE STUPID POST OF THE YEAR!

Like a criminal CARES!

The criminal might not care but the person who would be tempted to sell to the criminal might care.

I don't guess you realize that it's against the law in MOST states to sell a firearm to someone who can't pass the background check. They don't seem to care about that, do they?

I don't guess you realize that in many circumstances you don't have to determine if someone could pass a background check before legally selling them a gun.

If you are speaking of the gun show loophole, that’s been proven a myth.

 

[alang1216]

There is no gun show loophole, any federally licensed gun dealer has to do a background check no matter where they are located. Anyone can sell their privately owned gun without a background check....but a felon is already prohibited by law from buying a gun from anyone. We can already arrest the felon when we catch them with the illegal gun...and then democrats like you will just let them go....so they can get another illegal gun and murder another criminal or an innocent citizen.

Isn't the NRA mantra that criminals don't obey the law? I was always taught that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

 

[alang1216]

I don't guess you realize that in many circumstances you don't have to determine if someone could pass a background check before legally selling them a gun.

If you are speaking of the gun show loophole, that’s been proven a myth.

I have it on good authority that:

Anyone can sell their privately owned gun without a background check....

 

[alang1216]

Is your right more important than mine, or any other gun owner?

No more or less important.

 

[Pop23]

There is no gun show loophole, any federally licensed gun dealer has to do a background check no matter where they are located. Anyone can sell their privately owned gun without a background check....but a felon is already prohibited by law from buying a gun from anyone. We can already arrest the felon when we catch them with the illegal gun...and then democrats like you will just let them go....so they can get another illegal gun and murder another criminal or an innocent citizen.

Isn't the NRA mantra that criminals don't obey the law? I was always taught that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Sure, but you’ve yet to demonstrate the ounce.

A drunk says that drinking only 5 beers per hour is far better than a six pack

 

[Pop23]

I don't guess you realize that in many circumstances you don't have to determine if someone could pass a background check before legally selling them a gun.

If you are speaking of the gun show loophole, that’s been proven a myth.

I have it on good authority that:

Anyone can sell their privately owned gun without a background check....

Please don’t use another posters post to distract from our discussion. No way could I know the context.

 

[alang1216]

I don't guess you realize that in many circumstances you don't have to determine if someone could pass a background check before legally selling them a gun.

If you are speaking of the gun show loophole, that’s been proven a myth.

Yes and no. I have it on good authority that:
"There is a huge loophole in federal law, but it isn't for gun shows," UCLA law professor Adam Winkler said. "What is called the gun-show loophole is misnamed. It should be the ‘private sale loophole’ or the ‘background check loophole.’ ... The reason people talk about gun shows is that they are easily accessible marketplaces for people who don't want to be subject to a background check to find non-licensed gun sellers."

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I don't guess you realize that in many circumstances you don't have to determine if someone could pass a background check before legally selling them a gun.

If you are speaking of the gun show loophole, that’s been proven a myth.

Yes and no. I have it on good authority that:
"There is a huge loophole in federal law, but it isn't for gun shows," UCLA law professor Adam Winkler said. "What is called the gun-show loophole is misnamed. It should be the ‘private sale loophole’ or the ‘background check loophole.’ ... The reason people talk about gun shows is that they are easily accessible marketplaces for people who don't want to be subject to a background check to find non-licensed gun sellers."

I have an idea that should make you feel very secure in your insecurity. IF you don't like being here in the United States that allows its law abiding citizens to own guns, then take your sorry liberal ass to Cuba, the Socialist Utopian Paradise, where only the government can have guns, and live your life there. We the people don't need pansy ass liberals like you living next to US because we don't like Socialists who want to ban our weapons. Just leave your passport at the border, because you don't DESERVE the rights of the Constitution that you willingly want to give up..

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[Skull Pilot]

I consider a firearm to be an insurance policy. I hope I never need it but I'm sure glad it's there if I do.

Based on your previous terms of use, you carrying an insurance policy doesn't make me any safer. In fact it puts me at risk, however small, of being a victim of your insurance due to an accident or mistake on your part.

I pose no risk to you at all.
And it's not my obligation to make you safer.
It's your obligation to protect yourself.
The only way you would be in danger from me or my actions is if you assaulted me or my wife.

I do not carry a weapon to save other people. I'm not a cop. I do not want to be a cop.

 

[alang1216]

I pose no risk to you at all.
And it's not my obligation to make you safer.
It's your obligation to protect yourself.
The only way you would be in danger from me or my actions is if you assaulted me or my wife.

I do not carry a weapon to save other people. I'm not a cop. I do not want to be a cop.

There is a 0% chance your guns will be stolen?
There is a 0% chance you will have some kind of accident with one of your guns?
There is a 0% chance you will use a gun in the mistaken idea that you are in danger?
There is a 0% chance you will use a gun in self defense and an innocent bystander will accidentally be shot?
There is a 0% chance you will use a gun in self defense and shoot the wrong person in a case of mistaken identity?

Unless you are perfect and can answer "yes" to all these questions, you pose a very small but very real threat to me and my family.

 

[Pop23]

I pose no risk to you at all.
And it's not my obligation to make you safer.
It's your obligation to protect yourself.
The only way you would be in danger from me or my actions is if you assaulted me or my wife.

I do not carry a weapon to save other people. I'm not a cop. I do not want to be a cop.

There is a 0% chance your guns will be stolen?
There is a 0% chance you will have some kind of accident with one of your guns?
There is a 0% chance you will use a gun in the mistaken idea that you are in danger?
There is a 0% chance you will use a gun in self defense and an innocent bystander will accidentally be shot?
There is a 0% chance you will use a gun in self defense and shoot the wrong person in a case of mistaken identity?

Unless you are perfect and can answer "yes" to all these questions, you pose a very small but very real threat to me and my family.

No, he does not.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I pose no risk to you at all.
And it's not my obligation to make you safer.
It's your obligation to protect yourself.
The only way you would be in danger from me or my actions is if you assaulted me or my wife.

I do not carry a weapon to save other people. I'm not a cop. I do not want to be a cop.

There is a 0% chance your guns will be stolen?
There is a 0% chance you will have some kind of accident with one of your guns?
There is a 0% chance you will use a gun in the mistaken idea that you are in danger?
There is a 0% chance you will use a gun in self defense and an innocent bystander will accidentally be shot?
There is a 0% chance you will use a gun in self defense and shoot the wrong person in a case of mistaken identity?

Unless you are perfect and can answer "yes" to all these questions, you pose a very small but very real threat to me and my family.

and still you hang here in the United States where you cant find happiness, so must FORCE your misery upon the rest of US. I really hate r-tards like you, who could just as easily move to Cuba.

 

[2aguy]

I don't guess you realize that in many circumstances you don't have to determine if someone could pass a background check before legally selling them a gun.

If you are speaking of the gun show loophole, that’s been proven a myth.

Yes and no. I have it on good authority that:
"There is a huge loophole in federal law, but it isn't for gun shows," UCLA law professor Adam Winkler said. "What is called the gun-show loophole is misnamed. It should be the ‘private sale loophole’ or the ‘background check loophole.’ ... The reason people talk about gun shows is that they are easily accessible marketplaces for people who don't want to be subject to a background check to find non-licensed gun sellers."

And yet it isn't a loophole....guns are private property and you are free to sell your private, Constitutionally Protected, property without government monitoring you...should they also monitor what books you write and sell, or how you vote....?

Also, we already can arrest any felon who buys, owns or carries any gun, purchased anywhere, at any time...that isn't the problem..the problem is that after they are arrested for illegal gun possession as convicted felons....democrat judges let them out of jail on light sentences over and over again....if we stopped that, we would reduce our gun crime rates even more than we already have...

Why don't you focus on the real problem...democrats letting repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail over and over?

And, of course, since universal background checks will be gotten around the same way current federal background checks are gotten around by felons....using straw buyers......the only reason the anti-gun leadership wants universal background checks is because it gives them the power to demand gun registration.....that is the only reason they want UBCs.....

And no....felons get their guns using friends and family with clean records who can already pass background checks....

If you want to do more security theater...have police conduct undercover sales at gun shows.....that is how you do it without bothering law abiding gun owners...but since your goal is to bother law abiding gun owners, you won't focus on actual criminals.

 

[2aguy]

I consider a firearm to be an insurance policy. I hope I never need it but I'm sure glad it's there if I do.

Based on your previous terms of use, you carrying an insurance policy doesn't make me any safer. In fact it puts me at risk, however small, of being a victim of your insurance due to an accident or mistake on your part.

There close to 600 million guns in private hands right now.....there are over 17 million law abiding gun owners with concealed carry permits....

How many accidental gun deaths in a country of over 320 million people..

In 2016.....495.

And yet you want to restrict the Right of close to 90 million gun owners based on that number....while you ignore the 38,000 people accidentally killed in cars...

Do you see why we don't take your concern about gun deaths seriously...you don't care about actual deaths...you just hate normal people owning and carrying guns....

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016

Gun.....495

Car.......38,748

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786



Gun murder.....2016

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4


FBI....11,004

 

[2aguy]

I don't guess you realize that in many circumstances you don't have to determine if someone could pass a background check before legally selling them a gun.

If you are speaking of the gun show loophole, that’s been proven a myth.

I have it on good authority that:

Anyone can sell their privately owned gun without a background check....

And yet...the caveat....you can't knowingly sell a gun to a felon......and the felon already knows they can't buy, own or carry a gun.

And, of course, we already have the laws we need to arrest any felon caught using or possessing a gun.

 

[2aguy]

I pose no risk to you at all.
And it's not my obligation to make you safer.
It's your obligation to protect yourself.
The only way you would be in danger from me or my actions is if you assaulted me or my wife.

I do not carry a weapon to save other people. I'm not a cop. I do not want to be a cop.

There is a 0% chance your guns will be stolen?
There is a 0% chance you will have some kind of accident with one of your guns?
There is a 0% chance you will use a gun in the mistaken idea that you are in danger?
There is a 0% chance you will use a gun in self defense and an innocent bystander will accidentally be shot?
There is a 0% chance you will use a gun in self defense and shoot the wrong person in a case of mistaken identity?

Unless you are perfect and can answer "yes" to all these questions, you pose a very small but very real threat to me and my family.

And yet the car in his driveway doesn't bother you? Considering that if you have a gun and a car...the car is far more likely to kill you than the gun...

You don't care about the risk to your family, otherwise you would want to ban cars and alcohol....you hate guns and the people who own them.

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016

Gun.....495

Car.......38,748

 

[2aguy]

Canada, as well as every other small penis average size countries have rational gun laws, why not the United States?

Canada has growing gun crime....we have gun crime that is going down....

Canada.....

Police can't explain increase in shootings in Toronto | CBC News

The two shootings come as Toronto is experiencing a year of increased gun violence, up 35 per cent from last year. The number of victims has also increased, up by 80 per cent over last August, according to police statistics.

Deputy Chief Peter Sloly can't say why there have been so many shootings this year, adding that he's noticed an uptick in gun violence across the country.

"It's a concerning trend we're seeing this year," Sloly told CBC News. "We've put extra resources on the street, we've got extra intelligence coming in, we have extra support from our communities."

But Mayor John Tory thinks he knows why the city is witnessing so much gun play.

"There's some level of gang activity involved," he said. "There is the illegal gun trade that continues to be a real problem especially when it comes to the Canada-U.S. border."


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Firearms: Making sense of Toronto’s cycle of violence

The number of people killed or injured by guns in Toronto so far this year is already higher than 2014, reversing a recent downward trend. But while gun violence appears to be going up in Ontario’s capital, criminologists say this apparent increase in gun violence doesn’t necessarily mean the city is becoming more dangerous.
This week alone, there have been seven shootings over a span of four days, two of them fatal, Toronto Police spokeswoman Caroline de Kloet said Friday.

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Mr. Pugash said the number of shooting events this year – 162, as of Aug. 20 – is now on par with the number on the same date in 2012, the year police previously noted a spike in gun violence.


Police don’t know the reasons behind this year’s increase, Mr. Pugash said, and it’s an issue that could be impacted by an “infinite number of factors.”


Toronto Sun

TORONTO - Welcome to Toronto’s Summer of the Gun 2015.

It’s a headline neither Toronto Police nor city hall want to see.

There is no question statistics can be made to look a lot of different ways, but some statistics are just plain ugly.

Scary, actually.

For example, 36 more people have been shot so far this year in Toronto than at this point last year.

Toronto Police statistics show a 90% increase in people wounded by gunfire and a 48% increase in shootings (135 compared to 91).

And there have been 106 more shooting victims (those hit by gunfire, as well as those victimized by it).

In fact, the 227 shooting victims so far this year is 31 more than the total for all of 2014.

It’s true not all shooting victims have been hit by gunfire, but as Deputy Chief Peter Sloly points out, every gun shot, whether into the air or a tree, is one that could ricochet and strike an innocent victim like we saw in 2012 when a two-year-old was hit.

If you add the death and injury statistics, Toronto has seen 88 dead or wounded by gunfire in 2015 compared to 53 at this time last year. That’s a 66% increase.

It’s a big spike.

Shocking, horrifying numbers that seem to have just snuck up on us.

Many seem worried about the controversial carding issue, but these scary stats aren’t getting the same media attention. It doesn’t feel like a particularly violent summer, but the stats indicate otherwise.





And more, with stories...



'Brazen criminals' behind spike in Toronto gun crime, says deputy chief | CBC News



Another Canadian city with gun crime....



UPDATED: Why does Moncton have such high gun-crime rates?

United States....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...



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-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Vegas. October 1, 2017, 58 dead, 500+ injured because it's more important to sell guns than to protect peoples lives.

Nice, France. July 14, 2016, 86 dead 458 injured because it's more important to allow people to drive trucks than to protect people's lives.

So we should let people have AR-15's because we let them drive trucks?

The AR-15 civilian rifle is no different from any other rifle......it is not a military weapon, it has never been used by the military, and it is protected by the 2nd Amendment, there is no "let" people do anything, they have a Right, to own that weapon.