BORN IN THE USA? Birth certificate issue No. 1 at Fox News

Birth certificate issue No. 1 at Fox News

So that means the economy, bailouts, terrorism, war in Iraq and Afghanistan, Supreme Court, gay marriage, abortion, etc...are all less popular news issues on Fox?

Wow.

No, it means you hacks are not being honest. I have watched FOX quite a bit lately since CNN and MSNBC have turned rabid left and that issue never makes the news...

Why am I not suprised you lefties would S t r e t c h the truth to the extreme?
 
Oh for goodness sakes vel, where is your critical thinking and sleuthness?

Look at obama's certificate of birth...look at the date that it was filed with the register of health....august 8th....

I've always found that to be interesting. She has a baby in Kenya...and then immediately post partum, she boards a plane to fly from Nairobi to Honolulu with a newborn infant.

And I'm sure that there is no direct Nairobi to Honolulu flight...especially in 1961. Probably it would have been Nairobi to Cairo. Cairo to London. London to New York. New York to LA. LA to Honolulu. All in four days. All immediately post partum after a third world delivery. All with a newborn infant.

And why? Why rush back to quickly? Did she want to make sure he was eligible for Presidency?



Who knows? I'm sure that if I'd found myself, an American used to proper and high tech medical care, stuck in Kenya because they wouldn't allow me on a plane and forced to give birth to my baby in some backwoods clinic, I'd get the hell out of there as quickly as I could. All women react to childbirth differently as well. If Stanley Ann was healthy and hadn't gained a ton of weight, she may have felt well enough to travel. From the way Obama described her in his books, she seems the type that would have been pissed enough at being told she couldn't leave, that she would've done whatever necessary to get out.

vel, it was impossible for her to deliver obama in kenya and 4 days later be in honolulu, request and file for the exception for children born overseas to the health dept, have them approve all the paperwork and have obama's birth recorded at the health registrar on 8/8/61.....IMPOSSIBLE. game over....he was born in hawaii.
 
Oh for goodness sakes vel, where is your critical thinking and sleuthness?

Look at obama's certificate of birth...look at the date that it was filed with the register of health....august 8th....

I've always found that to be interesting. She has a baby in Kenya...and then immediately post partum, she boards a plane to fly from Nairobi to Honolulu with a newborn infant.

And I'm sure that there is no direct Nairobi to Honolulu flight...especially in 1961. Probably it would have been Nairobi to Cairo. Cairo to London. London to New York. New York to LA. LA to Honolulu. All in four days. All immediately post partum after a third world delivery. All with a newborn infant.

And why? Why rush back to quickly? Did she want to make sure he was eligible for Presidency?
Yep. This was an immaculate conception, remember...I'm sure Mary had some inkling of what the future held for her son and so too did Obamamom.
 
Simply wrong, A State law can NOT supersede a Federal Law. The right to citizenship is a FEDERAL law. No State can refuse to register a birth because of a State Law in direct opposition to a Federal Law.

States do not get to determine Federal US Citizenship, EVER. The Federal Government establishes that criteria and the States MUST obey it. Or do I need to cite the relevant portion of the US Constitution that States State law is subservient to Federal Law?

Further the State law is probably the old Territory law establishing Territory citizenship. Again not US Citizenship.

Cite Federal law that supports your claim. State law is not relevant at all.
 
Let's say, I am a Natural born us citizen who is pregnant, I am married to a US National, we go on vacation overseas, and i prematurely deliver my child over seas....are these people really saying that my child would NOT be a natural born citizen under those conditions and there is no exception??? While if I went overseas and adopted a child from overseas and brought him home, my adopted child would be considered a natural born citizen of the united states?

What makes mccain a natural born citizen? Certainly not the constitution's definition of a natural born citizen...that has to be noted. It was rules and regs that were instituted AFTER the constitution....

If mrs obama was a usa citizen and wanted to return back to her home in America but the Kenyan Government STOPPED her from returning home to deliver her baby because she was too far along in pregnancy, as you all have contended, don't you THINK that there would be a measure of relief for a Mrs OBama to have her child noted as a natural born citizen if she got home as soon as she was allowed to by the Kenyan govt?

I do.

I don't think our constitution and the rules and regs on natural born citizens are meant to punish pregnant American citizens with child .....that are on vacation, that happen to be forced to deliver over there.....

REGARDLESS it was impossible for mrs obama to make it to the usa from Kenya in 4 days or less, file all the legal paperwork, get all the paperwork approved by the health dept for them to file it with the registrars office by august 8....
 
Let's say, I am a Natural born us citizen who is pregnant, I am married to a US National, we go on vacation overseas, and i prematurely deliver my child over seas....are these people really saying that my child would NOT be a natural born citizen under those conditions and there is no exception??? While if I went overseas and adopted a child from overseas and brought him home, my adopted child would be considered a natural born citizen of the united states?

What makes mccain a natural born citizen? Certainly not the constitution's definition of a natural born citizen...that has to be noted. It was rules and regs that were instituted AFTER the constitution....

If mrs obama was a usa citizen and wanted to return back to her home in America but the Kenyan Government STOPPED her from returning home to deliver her baby because she was too far along in pregnancy, as you all have contended, don't you THINK that there would be a measure of relief for a Mrs OBama to have her child noted as a natural born citizen if she got home as soon as she was allowed to by the Kenyan govt?

I do.

I don't think our constitution and the rules and regs on natural born citizens are meant to punish pregnant American citizens with child .....that are on vacation, that happen to be forced to deliver over there.....

REGARDLESS it was impossible for mrs obama to make it to the usa from Kenya in 4 days or less, file all the legal paperwork, get all the paperwork approved by the health dept for them to file it with the registrars office by august 8....

It does not matter anyway, as even if he were born in Kenya he would still be a NATURAL Born Citizen. He was born to an American Citizen. That alone grants citizenship. No matter where the birth occurs.

But the conspiracy that they knew to register him in Hawaii cause some day it would matter is hilarious indeed. Also the one where the Governor and Lt. Governor, both Republicans that supported McCain would help protect Obama in his cover up is even Funnier.
 
1. In spite of how bad his policies look, they haven't taken effect yet, so to say they destroyed the country is premature at best.

2. The "right" is not innocent, they have done their share of "destroying the country" ... so step aside for whom?

3. With all the garbage to whine about, this is just getting inane.

Disagree. The GOP's do-nothingness is preferable to the activism of the Democrats.

Those "Contract with America" jerks don't get it. Had they any balls and done what they were elected to do, they'd STILL be in power. Problem is, they don't have the blind, shove it up your ass whether you like it or not attitude of the left. They spent 12 years acting as if the left still had control and wimpering at every barb the supreme idiots Reid and Pelosi tossed.

The Democrats suck because they want to shove their fascism down everyone's throats in their self-righteous zealotry while in contrast, the Republicans are bunch of pussies.

Both parties suck and neither deserve positions of leadership in this nation, and I'd wager neithe has a clue what the US Constitution actually says.

"We, the people," are caught between them.

The GOP's do-nothingness is preferable

Not according to the last election Gunny. MOST americans wanted this change.
 
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Let's say, I am a Natural born us citizen who is pregnant, I am married to a US National, we go on vacation overseas, and i prematurely deliver my child over seas....are these people really saying that my child would NOT be a natural born citizen under those conditions and there is no exception??? While if I went overseas and adopted a child from overseas and brought him home, my adopted child would be considered a natural born citizen of the united states?

What makes mccain a natural born citizen? Certainly not the constitution's definition of a natural born citizen...that has to be noted. It was rules and regs that were instituted AFTER the constitution....

If mrs obama was a usa citizen and wanted to return back to her home in America but the Kenyan Government STOPPED her from returning home to deliver her baby because she was too far along in pregnancy, as you all have contended, don't you THINK that there would be a measure of relief for a Mrs OBama to have her child noted as a natural born citizen if she got home as soon as she was allowed to by the Kenyan govt?

I do.

I don't think our constitution and the rules and regs on natural born citizens are meant to punish pregnant American citizens with child .....that are on vacation, that happen to be forced to deliver over there.....

REGARDLESS it was impossible for mrs obama to make it to the usa from Kenya in 4 days or less, file all the legal paperwork, get all the paperwork approved by the health dept for them to file it with the registrars office by august 8....

It does not matter anyway, as even if he were born in Kenya he would still be a NATURAL Born Citizen. He was born to an American Citizen. That alone grants citizenship. No matter where the birth occurs.

But the conspiracy that they knew to register him in Hawaii cause some day it would matter is hilarious indeed. Also the one where the Governor and Lt. Governor, both Republicans that supported McCain would help protect Obama in his cover up is even Funnier.

i know rgs, i was just playing along with their speculations and trying to ''reason'' with them on why they are just hot air.... to me it's fun, to a degree! :D
 
I've always found that to be interesting. She has a baby in Kenya...and then immediately post partum, she boards a plane to fly from Nairobi to Honolulu with a newborn infant.

And I'm sure that there is no direct Nairobi to Honolulu flight...especially in 1961. Probably it would have been Nairobi to Cairo. Cairo to London. London to New York. New York to LA. LA to Honolulu. All in four days. All immediately post partum after a third world delivery. All with a newborn infant.

And why? Why rush back to quickly? Did she want to make sure he was eligible for Presidency?



Who knows? I'm sure that if I'd found myself, an American used to proper and high tech medical care, stuck in Kenya because they wouldn't allow me on a plane and forced to give birth to my baby in some backwoods clinic, I'd get the hell out of there as quickly as I could. All women react to childbirth differently as well. If Stanley Ann was healthy and hadn't gained a ton of weight, she may have felt well enough to travel. From the way Obama described her in his books, she seems the type that would have been pissed enough at being told she couldn't leave, that she would've done whatever necessary to get out.

vel, it was impossible for her to deliver obama in kenya and 4 days later be in honolulu, request and file for the exception for children born overseas to the health dept, have them approve all the paperwork and have obama's birth recorded at the health registrar on 8/8/61.....IMPOSSIBLE. game over....he was born in hawaii.



Care.. You BELIEVE it impossible. That would be your OPINION. Being your OPNION doesn't make something FACT. I told you in an earlier post, we'll just have to disagree on this issue. Unless Obama decides to actually show his Certificate of Live Birth ( As opposed to his Certification of Live Birth ) then I'll never be able to prove my theory to you and you'll never convince me of the legitamacy of someone that has spent millions of dollars in order to hide whatever that birth certificate shows. In truth it makes very little difference. Even if you were to prove that Obama is a natural born citizen, it still wouldn't make me think that he was qualified for POTUS.
So, tell you what, you can continue to question my intelligence because I won't take Obama's word , and I'll continue to feel that you are incredibly naive in the fact that you can see this man spending millions to hide something and still not question it. And the world will continue to spin.
One thing though, I read your next post. Please understand, laws change. You are still trying to apply 2009 laws to events in 1961. I gave you a link in an earlier post to a history page that tells you what laws were in effect at different time periods. You appear so fixated on the ability to pass citizenship to a child that you seem to overlook the fact that we've had periods in our history where it was not automatic as it is today. Furthermore, a foreign national that holds a U.S. visa is NOT able to confer U.S. citizenship to their child born in their native country. ( to simplify.. Obama Sr.'s status didn't mean squat in determining if Barack is a U.S. citizen. )
 
Why is Obama NOT producing a hospital-generated original birth certificate that truely proves he was born in Hawaii? Or is he an exempt elitist? Or could it mean we have an ILLEGAL ALIEN in the office of President.....?

If Obama was born in Mombassa - where his step-grandmother claims to have witnessed his birth - his mother would not have been old enough to confer U.S. citizenship upon him...and that would mean that he was actually a British subject at birth....

It would also be nice to clarify what kind of passport he traveled on to Pakistan at the age of 20....did he go on an Idonesian passport, a Kenyan passport, or a British one....???

WHY have all of Obama's records disappeared or been sealed?

....inquiring minds want to know...

Follows all the records on AKA that have disappeared/been sealed:

Original Hawaii vault copy of Certificate of Live Birth — Not available
Certification of Live Birth — Released – Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not available
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not available
Soetoro adoption records — Not available
Fransiskus Assisi School — School application – Released, states his name as Barry Soetoro, his citizenship as Indonesia, his father as Lolo Soetoro. Authentic.
Punahou School records — Not available
Selective Service Registration — Released – Proven Counterfeit

Occidental College records — Not available
Passport (Pakistan) — Not available
Columbia College records — Not available
Columbia thesis — Not available
Harvard College records — Not available
Harvard Law Review articles — Maybe one (1), Not Signed
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not available
Illinois State Senate records — Not available
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost (All other Illinois state senators' records are intact)
Law practice client list — Not available
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

Interesting list of documents not available. If AKA is not a usurper to the Oval Office, is not illegally occupying the White House, why is he hiding all his records that would prove otherwise?

It is amazing the response of liberal socialists to this question. While they maintain that if you have nothing to hide, you should submit to a warrantless search of your vehicle on request, their response to this question regarding AKA is that even though he is president, he has a right to privacy.

Does he, however, have any more right to privacy than any other American?

When was the last time you, as an American, were required to show your birth certificate? As an American, one must produce a birth certificate to …

1. get married;
2. enter the military;
3. enter school;
4. get a driver license;
5. register to vote.

Even children joining the local soccer team have to produce a birth certificate; the real McCoy that is, not a forged/altered COLB.

Lynn Stuter -- In pursuit of a double standard, Part 1
 
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This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro.

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In the picture, Obama is registered under the name Barry Soetoro by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro. The school card lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen born Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii. His religion is listed as Muslim.
Was young Obama Indonesian citizen?

The Fourteenth Amendment does not provide any procedure for loss of United States citizenship. Under the Supreme Court precedent of Afroyim v. Rusk, loss of U.S. citizenship is possible only under the following circumstances:[9]

Fraud in the naturalization process. Technically this is not loss of citizenship, but rather a voiding of the purported naturalization and a declaration that the immigrant never was a U.S. citizen.
Voluntary relinquishment of citizenship. This may be accomplished either through renunciation procedures specially established by the State Department or through other actions (e.g., treason) which demonstrate an intention to give up U.S. citizenship.[10] Such an act of expatriation must be accompanied by an intent to terminate American citizenship.[11]
Citizenship Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Wong Kim Ark the Supreme Court held that under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, a man born within the United States to foreigners (in that case, Chinese citizens) who were lawfully residing in the United States and who were not employed in a diplomatic or other official capacity by a foreign power, was a citizen of the United States.

Under these two rulings, the following persons born in the United States are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, and thus do not qualify for automatic citizenship under the Fourteenth Amendment:

Children born to foreign diplomats
Children born to enemy forces in hostile occupation of the United States
Children born to Native Americans who are members of tribes not taxed (These were later given full citizenship by the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.)
The following persons born in the United States are explicitly citizens:

Children born to U.S. citizens
Children born to aliens who are lawfully inside the United States (resident or visitor), with the intention of amicably interacting with its people and obeying its laws
The Court in Wong Kim Ark did not explicitly decide whether U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants are "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" (it was not necessary to answer this question since Wong Kim Ark's parents were legally present in the United States at the time of his birth).

The question is is Barack Obama a U.S. Citizen? while he may be a Natural born Citizen, is he a U.S. Citizen and does the fact that he was listed once as being an Indonesian citizen disqualify him to be President? Interesting debate, however I think is more or less pointless, because even it were to be found the case would he be removed from office at this point?
 
Why not do some real detective work, go to kenya, interview those that would have been present, and record the interviews with translation present, then go to the kenyan hospital they say he was born at, and search kenyan records for his birth....find the doctor that supposedly delivered him...

go to usa records, see if his mother traveled to kenya while pregnant, and near obama's birth...check the division of vital records that would show their reentry in to the USA....check the records of the american embassy in kenya, see if it was truly reported that his mother tried to get home, but was stopped by the kenyan govt....check the kenyan gvt records or the airline records of the time to see if there is any legitimate record of this incident....there is just SOOOOOOOO MUCH that could be done to try to verify the 5 DIFFERENT Stories now of why obama's notorized certificate of birth, stating hawaii as his birth place has to be a fraud.....

sheesh....you all are sending this idiot a ton of money to get the birth certificate...., why wouldn't it be spent on finding out the truth, through being a gumshoe, a real sleuth of an investigator???? i guess it really isn't as important to get to the truth, as it is to keep this issue alive....gees louise, talk about a bunch of people that think things should just be handed to them, when there is no legitimate reason to do such....

FIND your legitimate reason, find some real proof instead of hearsay, then maybe all of the cases brought to court wouldn't be continually thrown out!

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING on his original birth certificate stating honolulu as his birth place and the hospital born at will help you....with anything you can't do now....go to the hospital and search hospital births in honolulu on obama's birth date....why wouldn't you just do that now....there couldn't be more than 10 to 20 babies born that day of which half would be female....not much sleuthing to do....

maybe i have read too many mystery and female sleuth novels along with ''who done it'' novels than the rest of you, but if i had the means....as this lawyer does, i'd be doing some REAL investigating, digging up REAL EVIDENCE to support my case instead of what amounts to slander or close to it, at this point?

maybe even speak to the individual Notary that notarized the certificate of birth, verifying it matched the original?

care
 
You would think Care, it would be a simple matter of dispatching one of your numerous underlings to dispense with this. I personally don't see why it is that much of an issue with President Obama and seems to be an easily resovable one and one that would make all those talking about look bad if he just up and produced it. No matter, he is in office and my posts were simply to stimulate debate on the question of citizenship as it relates to the Presidency once a person has become a citizen of another country, which is fairly clear from the AP that he was. Is it that once he returned to the US he was automatically a citizen again, or would have to re-apply for citizenship and would that disqualify him to be president. I do see your point though.
 
One more time, I'll say as a conservative, I don't think the issue of religion is pertinent. I don't think Obama is a Muslim or a Christian, he may or may not be a Black nationalist, but I don't think even that is influential. He's not religious, he's narcissistic. He worships himself and what he sees as his great accomplishments.

Until becoming POTUS, most of us would disagree with his self-assessment, but that is of no concern.

I think the birth certificate thing is way past the dead horse stage, those that persist are beating the long calcified dinosaurs. It's moot. If he isn't a natural born, which I think his mom made him, he won. It's the one time I agree with him and Congress, regardless of make up isn't going there. Get over it.
 
One more time, I'll say as a conservative, I don't think the issue of religion is pertinent. I don't think Obama is a Muslim or a Christian, he may or may not be a Black nationalist, but I don't think even that is influential. He's not religious, he's narcissistic. He worships himself and what he sees as his great accomplishments.

Until becoming POTUS, most of us would disagree with his self-assessment, but that is of no concern.

I think the birth certificate thing is way past the dead horse stage, those that persist are beating the long calcified dinosaurs. It's moot. If he isn't a natural born, which I think his mom made him, he won. It's the one time I agree with him and Congress, regardless of make up isn't going there. Get over it.
and to add to that, the Constitution doesn't have a religious test for any public office
so i don't care if he's a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Mormon, Hindu, Shinto, agnostic, or atheist.

its not a relevant issue
 
"2. The "right" is not innocent, they have done their share of "destroying the country" ... so step aside for whom?"

If you think George Bush was "right" you're way off. He was just another liberal. Everything since Ronald Regan has been liberal. That's the whole problem. You libs thought you were voting the opposite direction from GB but you went in the same direction, only 10 times worse.
 
Birth certificate issue No. 1 at Fox News
Obama eligibility most talked about topic on news website


WASHINGTON
- Barack Obama's elusive long-form birth certificate that would establish his eligibility to serve as president as a "natural born citizen" is the hottest discussion topic at the Fox News Channel's website.

Under the heading, "Should Obama release his birth certificate? Or is this old news?," nearly 1,000 comments have been posted - all of them since White House press secretary Robert Gibbs was questioned about the document earlier this week by WND White House correspondent Les Kinsolving.

The rush of posts at the Fox News site makes it the "most talked about" issue, according to a ranking on the right side of the page.

One contributor to the page had this to say: "Not old news, just a burning question that needs an answer, and while your at it, get some of that other hidden, sealed information uncovered like, his passport to Indonesia, his college records, etc. There are so many unanswered questions, and frankly you all dropped the ball before the election."

The visibility of the Obama birth certificate issue has also been raised by a new national billboard campaign initiated by Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WND. Launched just over a week ago, the campaign has raised about $55,000 and begun erecting billboards that ask the question, "Where's the birth certificate?"

That campaign followed one launched months earlier to collect names on an electronic petition demanding accountability and transparency on the issue. So far, that petition has gathered nearly 400,000 names.

(Story continues below)
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Yes folks it's going to continue. It's going to catch on like wildfire and I'm lovin it!

You idiot liberals...you had your moment in the sun and you made a mess of things!

You freaks on the left... You've destroyed this country enough! Step aside. Obama! You communist from Kenya. The presidency is above your pay grade. You're just a thug from Chicago!

You may have fooled some of us some of the time....but you couldn't fool all of us all of the time.
The wingnut holocaust denier who killed a guard today, is a "Birther". You must be so proud.
 
I'd hoped my last post would suffice. Just saying, dead issue. You are now beyond Grant in relevancy, but feel free to cary on...
 

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