Discussion in 'Race Relations/Racism' started by John Shaw, Jul 22, 2017.
. So you want it to be the Boogeyman under your bed forever ?
So how do you explain in 1963, a year before the Civil Rights Act was passed, two years before the Voting Rights Act, and five years before the Fair Housing Act, nearly two in three whites told Gallup pollsters that blacks were treated equally in their communities ?
This, in the same year that Medgar Evers was shot down dead in his driveway in Jackson and as I'm sure you know the name of "Bull Connor" well he plowed tanks through the black community and hosed down children in Birmingham, four young black girls were murdered at the 16th Street Baptist Church there, and another name you will know "George Wallace" said, “segregation today, segregation tomorrow and segregation ‘foreever’”
Even before that, in 1962, 85 percent of whites said that black children had just as good a chance to get a good education as white children.
And this was at a time when images of racism was beamed into their living rooms every night? This was at the height of one of the greatest freedom movements in history.
The bottom line is this: If at every point of American history, black folks have said “we have a problem,” and we have been right every time, while most whites have said all is well, and have been wrong just as often, what would allow u2 think that it was black folks who were suddenly misjudging the problem ? And whites who had at long last become keen observers of social reality?
Like I said, you are stuck in the past. I asked you how you were being held back and you ran back to the 60s.
Hello? The 1960s called and they want their colored boy back.
Some white guy makes an offer for a real discussion on race and you have to start talking shit.
. Show us evidence where the things that you listed, are actually taking place today. You can't do it, but keep that old Boogeyman going is the agenda, but why ? What are your goals in keeping that Boogeyman up under your children's bed's ?? Can't you do it without the victimhood being the constant motivator of your actions ?? What about Africa ?? When will you all turn towards Africa, and begin the blame game against that continent in which you love to embrace, yet it doesn't embrace you ?? Yes racism existed, and yes it still does, but it's more of a cultural disagreement than an actual skin color problem these days. The reason that racism existed in the past, is because the blacks were brought here in chains for the purpose of slavery, and the blacks were of a primitive nature at the time, and they were kept in that state for the purpose of work without much thought of. Slowly though, it was seen that these slaves were much smarter than were being given credit for, and so the long journey to help lift these slaves out of slavery by the whites throughout time had begun. Many sacrifices by whites were made, and the slave trade was abolished as it should have been. Then the long journey towards lifting the blacks from their primitive culture and state of mind began. It wasn't the blacks fault that they were in such a primitive state in which allowed them to be caught up in such an atrocious situation, but it was time to educate them, and get them out of the primitive state that they were in. This was very important as so they would not be rejected or discriminated against in the coming years or their future here. It had been a long struggle, but the evidence is clear that the struggle has been a success, and yet the struggle is not over in the case of class warfare, inequality, and discrimination against any American of any color, and for any reason. To say that whites are against blacks because of their skin color is a lie straight out of hell for most living today.. Now their may be those on both sides attempting to keep the skin color fires going, but most are done with it, and it's time to move on.
Probably the one that is most pervasive and does the most damage is the sort of assumption that we are acting in tandem to do harm to black people, which simply isn't the case. I think black folks believe we think about them a lot more than we actually do. There is no evil hivemind. Very few of us get up in the morning rearing to make a black man's life shittier. Instead we're thinking, "Fuck ... I have to go to work ..."
Well .. you probably don't. I think it goes without saying there are some extremely racist white people out there who act the way you're insinuating, but they're such a small minority it's not even funny. Usually just trailer trash and hicks. They are generally hostile to black people, but aren't really afraid to show it, at least where I live. They're too dumb to be afraid of much.
HOWEVER ... the real difference in how white people talk around black people and how they talk around each other is that when the black people leave, the fear goes away. Not fear of a physical altercation, but fear of giving offense and making themselves look bad. insensitive or even worse, racist. "Looking bad" is one of the things white people fear most. So there is kind of a low-key sigh of relief when the black people leave. At least, until they get to know you personally and what triggers you, so they can avoid it.
There usually isn't much shit being said in the first place, as noted above.
It's less like racism, or the belief in the superiority of one's race (it can be someone else's too) over others, and more like ignorance and fear. I could write all day about white peoples' fears. It's quite a fascinating subject.
1. Johnson was a piece of shit. 2. What are we supposed to do? Go on a shooting spree? Throw our lives away and become assassins to topple the aristocracy? Viva la France? C'mon, man. We barely know who the real shakers and movers are, let alone have any way of fighting them. They're only now starting to come out of the woodworks thanks to the dumbass-in-chief.
Not sure what you're getting at. You'll have to be more specific. There are a lot of reasons why the stats favor white people, other than just some vague and ominous notion of white supremacy.
Well, I think this is a common way of looking at things. Not a very good one. You can't simply "move on". The ghosts of the past continue to haunt the present. You have to examine the way things are, identify problems, and then be willing to find solutions. Just saying, "Move on," is rather stupid. No offense.
There is no hope in the boomer generation. Maybe with millennials, though millennials have their own issues to sort out. Namely outrageous student loan debt and somewhat thin skins.
Well....I think no one really knows anyone other than themselves.....and many times people really don't know themselves. That having been said, historically blacks have HAD to deal with whites more than whites have had to deal with blacks. Blacks have to go through whites, as a general rule, to make it in this world. Whites, on the other hand, do not have to go through a black filtration process in order to make it. Blacks are only 13% of the population and we are underrepresented economically and politically while whites are the majority AND are over represented in terms of share of power and wealth . Black people are much more likely to be one of the few blacks in a company, school or classroom. Hence, unless we are talking about blacks who live in large segregated cities, like Detroit or Chicago, who are poor and unemployed, dealing with whites is a prerequisite to functioning in this society.
That having been said, I think it is safe to say that a greater percentage of blacks interact with whites than the percentage of whites who interact with blacks. Thus, if interaction leads to greater probabilities of getting to know people......it would logically follow that blacks likely know whites much better than whites know blacks.
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