Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
Not physically, but mentally they are.....
Force?
You're not expecting anyone to take you seriously, I hope.....
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Not physically, but mentally they are.....
The Catholic church does not force them to eschew contraception.
Not physically, but mentally they are.....
What? The Church employs 'The Force'???
No, 'mentally', they are not forced to do anything. Mentally, they can decide to use birth control whenever they feel like it, and the only the thing the Church can do in response is refuse to associate with them. They have no legal power to coerce them in any way - and if they'd tried, I'd be right there with you raising hell.
I guess it all comes back to this growing trend whereby people can't distinguish between harming someone, and simply choosing not to help them. It's a rationalization behind so many authoritarian policies and it's killing freedom in this country.
A waste of money on litigation the Catholics could be using to help the poor.
No, I don't say that.That second sentence there shows you are misinformed.
In what way?
I've seen no one object to birth control? I've openly stated that I am a supporter of it.
The issue here is one of liberty - you say that the state has the right to dictate to a religious institution that they violate their own doctrine and provide contraception. This is in direct violation of the 1st amendment - so those of us in favor of civil liberty object. The democrats are engaged in a war to end civil liberty, so naturally, you do not object.
<shaking my head>That second sentence there shows you are misinformed.The Catholic church does not force them to eschew contraception.
The government is attempting to force the church to provide them.
I love it when an illiterate know-nothing tells me I'm misinformed.
What do you think "mandate" means?
"To the nuns, their view is they're just not allowed to sign what are essentially permission slips for these kinds of products. They just need to be out of the system. But the government won't let them out and threatens massive fines against them if they don't sign the forms."
DOJ Expected To Defend Health Law's Contraceptive Mandate : NPR
"That coverage includes services such as mammograms, prenatal care and cervical cancer screenings, but it also mandates free contraceptives, sterilizations and abortion-inducing drugs — which are contrary to Catholic teaching.
"The mandate does not include a conscience clause for employers who object to such coverage on moral grounds.
Under final rules issued in June to implement the mandate, there is an exemption for some religious employers that fit its criteria. For those employers who do not fit the criteria but still object to providing the coverage, the rules cover an accommodation — using a third party to provide the contraceptive coverage they find objectionable to employees.
But Catholic entities, including those in the New York Archdiocese and Rockville Centre Diocese, say the exemption is too narrowly drawn and the accommodation still does not solve their problem over being involved in providing coverage they reject for moral reasons."
".... the third-party accommodation compels the Catholic plaintiffs “to perform acts that are contrary to their religion. And there can be no doubt that the coercive pressure here is substantial. If plaintiffs do not comply with the mandate, they are subject to fines of $100 per day per affected beneficiary.”"
Judge says employer objections to HHS mandate based on religious rights - Catholic Philly
Not physically, but mentally they are.....
Force?
You're not expecting anyone to take you seriously, I hope.....
A waste of money on litigation the Catholics could be using to help the poor.
I agree.
Most Catholics today use birth control.. and they should have the right to BC like everyone else.
Not to use BC is a personal choice... and certainly their right.
A waste of money on litigation the Catholics could be using to help the poor.
I agree.
Most Catholics today use birth control.. and they should have the right to BC like everyone else.
Not to use BC is a personal choice... and certainly their right.
Do you understand that their right to use birth control has nothing to due with the Catholic Church? The church has no power to take away their rights.
I agree.
Most Catholics today use birth control.. and they should have the right to BC like everyone else.
Not to use BC is a personal choice... and certainly their right.
Do you understand that their right to use birth control has nothing to due with the Catholic Church? The church has no power to take away their rights.
Yes.. I agree.. So why shouldn't it be available to all citizens regardless of creed?
What? The Church employs 'The Force'???
No, 'mentally', they are not forced to do anything. Mentally, they can decide to use birth control whenever they feel like it, and the only the thing the Church can do in response is refuse to associate with them. They have no legal power to coerce them in any way - and if they'd tried, I'd be right there with you raising hell.
I guess it all comes back to this growing trend whereby people can't distinguish between harming someone, and simply choosing not to help them. It's a rationalization behind so many authoritarian policies and it's killing freedom in this country.
What is hilarious, is another leftist was just citing a stat that 98% of Catholics use contraception.
Uh, that's some pretty ineffective "force..."
No, I don't say that.
You're making things up again.
What? The Church employs 'The Force'???
No, 'mentally', they are not forced to do anything. Mentally, they can decide to use birth control whenever they feel like it, and the only the thing the Church can do in response is refuse to associate with them. They have no legal power to coerce them in any way - and if they'd tried, I'd be right there with you raising hell.
I guess it all comes back to this growing trend whereby people can't distinguish between harming someone, and simply choosing not to help them. It's a rationalization behind so many authoritarian policies and it's killing freedom in this country.
What is hilarious, is another leftist was just citing a stat that 98% of Catholics use contraception.
Uh, that's some pretty ineffective "force..."
except that stat is a lie.
even 98% of feminists do not use contraception.
anybody who understands the basics of the statistics knows that it is absolutely ignorant to state such a thing
Insurance Coverage for Contraception State LawsColo. Rev. Stat> 10-16-104 (2010) requires specified health insurance plans to provide coverage for contraception in the same manner as any other sickness, injury, disease, or condition is otherwise covered under the policy or contract. (2010 HB 1021)
I don't expect you to take me seriously, no, you've already proven that you are unable to grasp common knowledge.
No it's you that's full of it. It is true that over 90% of women Catholic church members do in fact use birth control contraceptives.
China has mandated abortion. We'll look like China when we start dragging women out into the street and forcibly aborting them...like the Obamaloons want to.
We'll look like China when the state persecutes the Catholic church...
Oh, snap!
"On Nov. 15th Pastor Zhang Shaojie and nearly two dozen of his church members were arrested by police in Henan Province.....the arrest of house church Christians in China is fairly common."
Persecuted Church in Central China Appeals for Help « Persecution News
Sounds like the Christians in China are arrested for failing to meet governmental mandates leveled against them, hmm?