Birth Control Mandate: Is this taking the Religous Liberty Exception too far?

[paperview]

"The Obama administration tried to compromise, saying charities can sign a statement that they object to birth control, and leave it to third-party insurers to pick up the cost."

They have to agree to allow third-party insurers come in and provide that coverage for them. The *form* is a permission slip allowing that..and THAT is the objection. If they refuse to do it because it is against their religion, then of course they aren't going to give permission for someone else to do it in their place. That's crazy.

DOJ Expected To Defend Health Law's Contraceptive Mandate : NPR

For only the 111th time, in the case we are discussing -- the nuns insurers - do not have to provide coverage. They too are exempt.

Argggggggggghhhhhh.

 

[paperview]

If you agree to find someone else to perform the duty that is against your religion when you fill out that form, yes, it is unconstitutional.

Argh!

How many times do you have to be told the nuns DO NOT have to do that.

All they have to do is AFFIRM their objection -- and DONE. Chrissakes, what does it take for you people to understand this?

Stop being conservatives.

And as is typical of most conservatives, they’ve contrived this issue into a partisan controversy, a political weapon they perceive useful in combating their opponents.

Consequently, they’re going to ignore the facts and truth and continue to propagate the lies they created.

But you knew all this already.

This obviously is what years of listening to Fox and AM radio has done to their brain.

 

[koshergrl]

"The Obama administration tried to compromise, saying charities can sign a statement that they object to birth control, and leave it to third-party insurers to pick up the cost."

They have to agree to allow third-party insurers come in and provide that coverage for them. The *form* is a permission slip allowing that..and THAT is the objection. If they refuse to do it because it is against their religion, then of course they aren't going to give permission for someone else to do it in their place. That's crazy.

DOJ Expected To Defend Health Law's Contraceptive Mandate : NPR

For only the 111th time, in the case we are discussing -- the nuns insurers - do not have to provide coverage. They too are exempt.

Argggggggggghhhhhh.

So what's the reprieve for?

 

[Mertex]

No, I don't say that.

You're making things up again.

That is what this entire thread is about.

The church is exempt IF they sign a waiver making them non-exempt in a catch-22 clusterfuck.

"Father, if you sign this waiver, we won't take money from your left pocket to give nuns abortions."


(We'll take it from your right pocket instead....)

The left is convinced that everyone is too stupid to catch on to the games you play, then are incensed when we do.

That is too funny....nuns needing abortions? Is it you or the church that is all mucked up?
Nuns are supposed to be celibate....they wouldn't even need contraceptives.

 

[Mertex]

"The Obama administration tried to compromise, saying charities can sign a statement that they object to birth control, and leave it to third-party insurers to pick up the cost."

They have to agree to allow third-party insurers come in and provide that coverage for them. The *form* is a permission slip allowing that..and THAT is the objection. If they refuse to do it because it is against their religion, then of course they aren't going to give permission for someone else to do it in their place. That's crazy.

DOJ Expected To Defend Health Law's Contraceptive Mandate : NPR

For only the 111th time, in the case we are discussing -- the nuns insurers - do not have to provide coverage. They too are exempt.

Argggggggggghhhhhh.

So what's the reprieve for?

See, you don't even understand the issue.....maybe you should quit before you make yourself look even worse.

 

[dblack]

"The Obama administration tried to compromise, saying charities can sign a statement that they object to birth control, and leave it to third-party insurers to pick up the cost."

They have to agree to allow third-party insurers come in and provide that coverage for them. The *form* is a permission slip allowing that..and THAT is the objection. If they refuse to do it because it is against their religion, then of course they aren't going to give permission for someone else to do it in their place. That's crazy.

DOJ Expected To Defend Health Law's Contraceptive Mandate : NPR

For only the 111th time, in the case we are discussing -- the nuns insurers - do not have to provide coverage. They too are exempt.

Argggggggggghhhhhh.

Which is, in itself, bullshit. If the mandate unconstitutionally violates religious freedom, it should be struck from the law - for everyone. It's a gross violation of equal protection to simply "buy off" opposition with piecemeal exemptions.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Argh!

How many times do you have to be told the nuns DO NOT have to do that.

All they have to do is AFFIRM their objection -- and DONE. Chrissakes, what does it take for you people to understand this?

Stop being conservatives.

And as is typical of most conservatives, they’ve contrived this issue into a partisan controversy, a political weapon they perceive useful in combating their opponents.

Consequently, they’re going to ignore the facts and truth and continue to propagate the lies they created.

But you knew all this already.

This obviously is what years of listening to Fox and AM radio has done to their brain.

True, resulting in an intellectual atrophy, the loss of reasoning and critical thinking skills.

 

[Intense]

Some of us have a problem with Government playing God. It's that simple. Playing at having the high ground here, may work, at least until reality bites you in the Ass. Should we impose a Fair Car Tax so we could all drive Porches? How well do you think that would work out before bankrolling indulgence, theft, and fraud, bankrupts the system? ACA is unsustainable. People being compelled, forced to buy services they can never use is a criminal act. How is justice served here?

 

[Intense]

Stop being conservatives.

And as is typical of most conservatives, they’ve contrived this issue into a partisan controversy, a political weapon they perceive useful in combating their opponents.

Consequently, they’re going to ignore the facts and truth and continue to propagate the lies they created.

But you knew all this already.

This obviously is what years of listening to Fox and AM radio has done to their brain.

True, resulting in an intellectual atrophy, the loss of reasoning and critical thinking skills.

So anyone that thinks differently than you, or questions your reason or motive, is somehow less than relevant than you? Interesting. Up shit's creek without a paddle, wondering how you got there? How's group think faring with you? Never mind.

 

[koshergrl]

So what's the reprieve for, if they aren't required to do anything?

 

[oreo]

"The Obama administration tried to compromise, saying charities can sign a statement that they object to birth control, and leave it to third-party insurers to pick up the cost."

They have to agree to allow third-party insurers come in and provide that coverage for them. The *form* is a permission slip allowing that..and THAT is the objection. If they refuse to do it because it is against their religion, then of course they aren't going to give permission for someone else to do it in their place. That's crazy.

DOJ Expected To Defend Health Law's Contraceptive Mandate : NPR

For only the 111th time, in the case we are discussing -- the nuns insurers - do not have to provide coverage. They too are exempt.

Argggggggggghhhhhh.

Well for the 112th time if the "The little sisters of the poor" which are located in Colorado, if they had been providing insurance to employees they would have been mandated by the State of Colorado to pay for birth control contraceptives.

There is no religious exemption in Colorado.

(2010) requires specified health insurance plans to provide coverage for contraception in the same manner as any other sickness, injury, disease, or condition is otherwise covered under the policy or contract. (2010 HB 1021)

Insurance Coverage for Contraception State Laws

 

[Quantum Windbag]

"The Obama administration tried to compromise, saying charities can sign a statement that they object to birth control, and leave it to third-party insurers to pick up the cost."

They have to agree to allow third-party insurers come in and provide that coverage for them. The *form* is a permission slip allowing that..and THAT is the objection. If they refuse to do it because it is against their religion, then of course they aren't going to give permission for someone else to do it in their place. That's crazy.

DOJ Expected To Defend Health Law's Contraceptive Mandate : NPR

For only the 111th time, in the case we are discussing -- the nuns insurers - do not have to provide coverage. They too are exempt.

Argggggggggghhhhhh.

Well for the 112th time if the "The little sisters of the poor" which are located in Colorado, if they had been providing insurance to employees they would have been mandated by the State of Colorado to pay for birth control contraceptives.

There is no religious exemption in Colorado.

(2010) requires specified health insurance plans to provide coverage for contraception in the same manner as any other sickness, injury, disease, or condition is otherwise covered under the policy or contract. (2010 HB 1021)

Insurance Coverage for Contraception State Laws

Just to prove how stupid you were, they were providing insurance for their employees through an ERISA plan that is defined as a church, and thus exempt from the law that you are babbling about.

But, please, keep posting your stupid argument another 111 times.

 

[Mertex]

Just to prove how stupid you were, they were providing insurance for their employees through an ERISA plan that is defined as a church, and thus exempt from the law that you are babbling about.

But, please, keep posting your stupid argument another 111 times.

Link, please....because according to this:

ERISA governs approximately 2.5 million health benefit plans sponsored by private employers nationwide. It does not apply to government and church employee plans.
http://cdn.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheadername1=Content-Disposition&blobheadername2=Content-Type&blobheadervalue1=inline%3B+filename%3D%22Frequently+Asked+Questions+on+ERISA%3A+Employer-Sponsored+Self-funded+Health+Benefit+Plans.pdf%22&blobheadervalue2=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1251818800959&ssbinary=true

 

[Barb]

It seems we've been here before.

 

[paperview]

"The Obama administration tried to compromise, saying charities can sign a statement that they object to birth control, and leave it to third-party insurers to pick up the cost."

They have to agree to allow third-party insurers come in and provide that coverage for them. The *form* is a permission slip allowing that..and THAT is the objection. If they refuse to do it because it is against their religion, then of course they aren't going to give permission for someone else to do it in their place. That's crazy.

DOJ Expected To Defend Health Law's Contraceptive Mandate : NPR

For only the 111th time, in the case we are discussing -- the nuns insurers - do not have to provide coverage. They too are exempt.

Argggggggggghhhhhh.

Well for the 112th time if the "The little sisters of the poor" which are located in Colorado, if they had been providing insurance to employees they would have been mandated by the State of Colorado to pay for birth control contraceptives.

There is no religious exemption in Colorado.

(2010) requires specified health insurance plans to provide coverage for contraception in the same manner as any other sickness, injury, disease, or condition is otherwise covered under the policy or contract. (2010 HB 1021)

Insurance Coverage for Contraception State Laws

I already addressed that a few posts after you made that point for the first time:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/8410154-post305.html

 

[koshergrl]

I ask again...what have they received a reprieve from, if this is a non-issue?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Just to prove how stupid you were, they were providing insurance for their employees through an ERISA plan that is defined as a church, and thus exempt from the law that you are babbling about.

But, please, keep posting your stupid argument another 111 times.

Link, please....because according to this:

ERISA governs approximately 2.5 million health benefit plans sponsored by private employers nationwide. It does not apply to government and church employee plans.
http://cdn.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheadername1=Content-Disposition&blobheadername2=Content-Type&blobheadervalue1=inline%3B+filename%3D%22Frequently+Asked+Questions+on+ERISA%3A+Employer-Sponsored+Self-funded+Health+Benefit+Plans.pdf%22&blobheadervalue2=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1251818800959&ssbinary=true

Let me keep this simple for you, the government filed a brief saying that the health plan that Little Sisters of the Poor uses is defined as a church under ERISA. I posted a link the the brief earlier when some idiot, aka paperview, insisted that the government didn't say it, and even told them where to look to see that is exactly what they said. The little Sisters of the Poor brief actually says the same thing, so this is a fact that is not in dispute.

If you have a problem with that, feel free to right to Obama and tell him his lawyers don't know what the law isl, and ask him to file an amended brief. Until that point, I will simply take the facts as they exist, not as you want them to be.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I ask again...what have they received a reprieve from, if this is a non-issue?

It is not a non issue despite the government's claim.

 

[koshergrl]

If it was, there would be no need for a reprieve, obviously.

Lefty wackos are mind numbingly stupid.

 

[Uncensored2008]

If you agree to find someone else to perform the duty that is against your religion when you fill out that form, yes, it is unconstitutional.

The left is at war with the Constitution.

The whole point of this is the crush the 1st Amendment.