Biden/Obama in 2020

[Missourian]

So what would happen in the event something happened to Biden if he were president? Obama cannot legally be president again right?

Obviously this is wrong for so many reasons and I can't imagine the MSM even supporting it, though based on their desperation to dethrone Trump "by any means necessary" anything is possible

The Democrat bench is so shallow, they can only recycle Obamas, and Clintons.

How about Kerry/Mondale or Ferraro/Carter...

 

[Missourian]

I like Biden, but Obama is probably the closet thing to Abraham Lincoln that we will see during this century.

Totally agree...specifically Abraham Lincoln II.


Abraham Lincoln II - Wikipedia

 

[OKTexas]

There are some people out there who think Obama could actually become Vice President and then be appointed to the office of President if something happened to Biden. To those people I say: It can't happen.

According to the U.S. Constitution, Obama could never become Biden's Vice President. First, the Constitution provides that a Vice President cannot be elected if he/she is constitutional ineligible to the office of President. Second, the Constitution provides that no person can hold the office of President for more than two terms. Therefore, since Obama has served two terms as President he cannot hold that office again, and since he is unqualified for the office of the presidency he cannot become Vice President. The relevant portions of the Constitution are found in Amendments XII and XXII and they are provided below.

Amendment XII
“The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States” (emphasis my own).

Amendment XXII
Section 1
“No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.”​

Obama would not be eligible to run for the office of Vice President. When the Constitution says, “But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States” it means that no one who is ineligible to be ELECTED President can Be ELECTED as Vice President. So what does it take to be eligible to run for the office of president? Well, according to Article II, Section 1, he must be a natural born citizen, at least 35 years old and have resided in the United States for 14 years; further, according to Amendment 22, Section 1, he cannot have been previously elected to the office for two terms.

Some people think that Obama could become Vice President and serve again as President if something happened to Biden because he would be appointed to that position rather than being elected. This is not true. In order to become Vice President Obama would have to be elected to that position; however, the Constitution prohibits him from becoming Vice President since he is not qualified to be President. The language of the Constitution is plain and simple: Obama's gone.

The Twelfth Amendment does not say that no one who is ineligible to be ELECTED President can Be ELECTED as Vice President. It says no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President. There is a subtle, but important difference between what the Twelfth Amendment actually says, and what you are erroneously claiming that it says.

There is nothing in the Twelfth Amendment, the Twenty-Second Amendment, nor anywhere else in the Constitution that prohibits one who is not eligible to be elected President due to the Twenty-Second Amendment, but who is otherwise qualified, from being elected or appointed to any position in the line of succession to the Presidency (including the Vice-Presidency), and then becoming President should everyone ahead of him in that line be removed.

Semantics, the las bastion of a loser. Since you are too stupid to understand 18th century english allow me to update the vernacular for you.

But no person constitutionally ineligible to HOLD the office of President shall be eligible to HOLD that of Vice-President of the United States

I hope that helps you grasp the language.


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[Esmeralda]

Could Joe Biden pick Barack Obama as his running mate? Yes. But.

The answer seems straightforward. But it is less straightforward than it appears.

Michael Dorf is a professor of constitutional law at Cornell University. In 2000, he argued that an Al Gore-Bill Clinton ticket could withstand legal scrutiny. And when we spoke by phone on Thursday, he said that he stood by that argument.

The rough outline of his argument is this: The 22nd Amendment doesn't say you can't be president for more than two terms. It says you can't be elected president twice. If a Biden-Obama ticket won (which we'll get to), and tragedy were to befall Joe Biden, Barack Obama could become president, according to the letter of the law (which we'll also get to), since he wasn't elected to the position. As such, Obama is not constitutionally ineligible to serve as president.

So, in short: Yes, Joe Biden can name Barack Obama as his running mate. It's even conceivable that, if they won, they could argue their case before Congress to be seated as president and vice president.

More: Could Joe Biden pick Barack Obama as his running mate? Yes. But.

This sounds like a great idea to me! It's sinking in! The A-Team! What do you think?

It is not a good idea. We need someone w/o baggage, someone younger than Biden, someone new and someone who can bring this country together, not keep us at odds with each other.

 

[Pete7469]

Legendary idea. It will ensure Drumpf has zero chance of reelection.

Folks...

We have "people" in society that believe shit like this.

Some of them drive cars and kill thousands of us everyday doing shit like making right turns from the left lane suddenly without even looking because they do not have the capacity to think of the danger or consider the possibility that there are other people on the planet with the right of way. They sail through red lights at inner sections while tweeting about how much they hate you for not supporting their cults of personality. They ride bicycles in highway traffic forcing people in cars and trucks to make evasive maneuvers and end up rolled over in a ditch and aren't even aware of it because they were too absorbed in the music coming from their earbuds.

These are just some of the ways stupid leftist pieces of shit kill innocent lucid Americans because libturds do not have awareness of the fact that the universe is not revolving around them. They believe humans are destroying the planet by consuming fossil fuel. Some of them even believe the earth is flat. They believe human civilization is no more valuable than ant colonies and that we need to create a global collective where people mindlessly serve the queen or government.

Libturds lower the bar and reinvent new depths of stupidity and ignorance on a daily basis.inane bed wetting pieces of shit like asslips prove it everyday.

 

[Kosh]

Yes Obama was so popular he single handy gave the country to the republican by loosing 1000 seats and left the DNC broke.

So yes, please include Obama in any and all tickets..

 

[Trump The Mad King]

Could Joe Biden pick Barack Obama as his running mate? Yes. But.

The answer seems straightforward. But it is less straightforward than it appears.

Michael Dorf is a professor of constitutional law at Cornell University. In 2000, he argued that an Al Gore-Bill Clinton ticket could withstand legal scrutiny. And when we spoke by phone on Thursday, he said that he stood by that argument.

The rough outline of his argument is this: The 22nd Amendment doesn't say you can't be president for more than two terms. It says you can't be elected president twice. If a Biden-Obama ticket won (which we'll get to), and tragedy were to befall Joe Biden, Barack Obama could become president, according to the letter of the law (which we'll also get to), since he wasn't elected to the position. As such, Obama is not constitutionally ineligible to serve as president.

So, in short: Yes, Joe Biden can name Barack Obama as his running mate. It's even conceivable that, if they won, they could argue their case before Congress to be seated as president and vice president.

More: Could Joe Biden pick Barack Obama as his running mate? Yes. But.

This sounds like a great idea to me! It's sinking in! The A-Team! What do you think?

It is not a good idea. We need someone w/o baggage, someone younger than Biden, someone new and someone who can bring this country together, not keep us at odds with each other.

Repugs are going to hate anybody with a (D) next to their name. It doesn't matter who it is.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

There are some people out there who think Obama could actually become Vice President and then be appointed to the office of President if something happened to Biden. To those people I say: It can't happen.

According to the U.S. Constitution, Obama could never become Biden's Vice President. First, the Constitution provides that a Vice President cannot be elected if he/she is constitutional ineligible to the office of President. Second, the Constitution provides that no person can hold the office of President for more than two terms. Therefore, since Obama has served two terms as President he cannot hold that office again, and since he is unqualified for the office of the presidency he cannot become Vice President. The relevant portions of the Constitution are found in Amendments XII and XXII and they are provided below.

Amendment XII
“The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States” (emphasis my own).

Amendment XXII
Section 1
“No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.”​

Obama would not be eligible to run for the office of Vice President. When the Constitution says, “But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States” it means that no one who is ineligible to be ELECTED President can Be ELECTED as Vice President. So what does it take to be eligible to run for the office of president? Well, according to Article II, Section 1, he must be a natural born citizen, at least 35 years old and have resided in the United States for 14 years; further, according to Amendment 22, Section 1, he cannot have been previously elected to the office for two terms.

Some people think that Obama could become Vice President and serve again as President if something happened to Biden because he would be appointed to that position rather than being elected. This is not true. In order to become Vice President Obama would have to be elected to that position; however, the Constitution prohibits him from becoming Vice President since he is not qualified to be President. The language of the Constitution is plain and simple: Obama's gone.

The Twelfth Amendment does not say that no one who is ineligible to be ELECTED President can Be ELECTED as Vice President. It says no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President. There is a subtle, but important difference between what the Twelfth Amendment actually says, and what you are erroneously claiming that it says.

There is nothing in the Twelfth Amendment, the Twenty-Second Amendment, nor anywhere else in the Constitution that prohibits one who is not eligible to be elected President due to the Twenty-Second Amendment, but who is otherwise qualified, from being elected or appointed to any position in the line of succession to the Presidency (including the Vice-Presidency), and then becoming President should everyone ahead of him in that line be removed.

Semantics, the las bastion of a loser. Since you are too stupid to understand 18th century english allow me to update the vernacular for you.

But no person constitutionally ineligible to HOLD the office of President shall be eligible to HOLD that of Vice-President of the United States

I hope that helps you grasp the language.

I understand the language just fine. Your insertion of the word “hold” into the Twelfth Amendment does not change its meaning, and does not refute my position. The Professor's insertion of the word “elected” into his paraphrase of the Twelfth Amendment does change the meaning; and constitutes his claiming that the Twelfth Amendment says something different than what it actually says.

There is a way to achieve the position of President, and to hold that office, other than being directly elected to it. The Twenty-Second Amendment only states that one may not be elected to the office of the President, if he has already been twice before elected to that position, or if he has once before been elected, and has also served at least half of an unelected term, as President.

The Twenty-Second Amendment doesn't say anything about one being ineligible to hold the office of President, after reaching the limits specified. It only says that such a person is ineligible to be elected again to that position. This has no bearing on his eligibility to be elected or appointed to any other position in the line of succession to the Presidency, and to assuming the Presidency should all those higher in that line be removed.

 

[Trump The Mad King]

Legendary idea. It will ensure Drumpf has zero chance of reelection.

Folks...

We have "people" in society that believe shit like this.

Some of them drive cars and kill thousands of us everyday doing shit like making right turns from the left lane suddenly without even looking because they do not have the capacity to think of the danger or consider the possibility that there are other people on the planet with the right of way. They sail through red lights at inner sections while tweeting about how much they hate you for not supporting their cults of personality. They ride bicycles in highway traffic forcing people in cars and trucks to make evasive maneuvers and end up rolled over in a ditch and aren't even aware of it because they were too absorbed in the music coming from their earbuds.

These are just some of the ways stupid leftist pieces of shit kill innocent lucid Americans because libturds do not have awareness of the fact that the universe is not revolving around them. They believe humans are destroying the planet by consuming fossil fuel. Some of them even believe the earth is flat. They believe human civilization is no more valuable than ant colonies and that we need to create a global collective where people mindlessly serve the queen or government.

Libturds lower the bar and reinvent new depths of stupidity and ignorance on a daily basis.inane bed wetting pieces of shit like asslips prove it everyday.

You mean people like the majority of Repugs who believe Obama was born in Kenya? Is that the kind of stupidity you're talking about?

 

[Trump The Mad King]

Yes Obama was so popular he single handy gave the country to the republican by loosing 1000 seats and left the DNC broke.

So yes, please include Obama in any and all tickets..

Of course, there never would have been a President Obama if Bush wasn't so fucking awful...

 

[tyroneweaver]

VP has to become POTUS if something happens to Biden. Its against the constitution for Obama to do that since he served 8 years.

As I said above - it's legally possible.

Could Joe Biden pick Barack Obama as his running mate? Yes. But.

Cant read that link. It wants me to sign up for a subscription. What does it say?

It's too long to post - but does sound legally possible. Here are some excerpts:

The answer seems straightforward. But it is less straightforward than it appears.

Michael Dorf is a professor of constitutional law at Cornell University. In 2000, he argued that an Al Gore-Bill Clinton ticket could withstand legal scrutiny. And when we spoke by phone on Thursday, he said that he stood by that argument.

The rough outline of his argument is this: The 22nd Amendment doesn't say you can't be president for more than two terms. It says you can't be elected president twice. If a Biden-Obama ticket won (which we'll get to), and tragedy were to befall Joe Biden, Barack Obama could become president, according to the letter of the law (which we'll also get to), since he wasn't elected to the position. As such, Obama is not constitutionally ineligible to serve as president.

So, in short: Yes, Joe Biden can name Barack Obama as his running mate. It's even conceivable that, if they won, they could argue their case before Congress to be seated as president and vice president.

Maybe, but there's what it says, and there's what it means.

I think people would find this a little hard to digest, and I think the attacks would be quite strong.

Quite strong? No shit. NaziCons would be up in arms. But it's a feasible way to send Trump and his mafia into political oblivion.

Godwins law

 

[Lakhota]

Joe Biden / Michelle Obama doesn't sound bad, either.

 

[Rustic]

Joe Biden / Michelle Obama doesn't sound bad, either.

Washington redskin,
It. Sounds like a shit sandwich

 

[Lakhota]

Would Hillary come back as Secretary of State or other prominent position?

 

[S.J.]

Neither one of them will ever be POTUS. Let's get back to reality here.

 

[Lakhota]

 

[Lakhota]

Why would the last certifiably sane occupant of the White House consider a run for the Vice-Presidency, an office that Vice-President John Nance Garner derided as “not worth a pitcher of warm spit” and John Adams scorned as “the most insignificant office that the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived?” In a word, Trump. The former President told voters in 2016 that his legacy and life’s work would be threatened by a Trump presidency. That would be doubly true of a second Trump term.

Federal law poses no obstacle to the Democrats’ dream ticket. The 22nd amendment, ratified in the wake of FDR’s four electoral victories, prohibits the election of a president to more than two terms. No provision prevents a former president from assuming the office through succession nor from running for the vice-presidency. Securing Obama’s assent for the race would likely require Biden to offer him a virtual “co-presidency.” The notion has been raised before. In 1980, Ronald Reagan, also facing a challenging run against an incumbent president, briefly considered former President Gerald Ford for his running mate and “co-president.” Ultimately, Reagan lacked sufficient comfort with his former opponent to test such uncharted political waters.

In contrast, the eight year partnership between Obama and Biden fostered a friendship that would help overcome the obstacles to such a unique collaboration. The scant official responsibilities of the Vice-Presidency would allow the two to tailor the vice-presidential role to their needs. Vice-President Obama might emerge as “minister without portfolio” and a uniquely qualified trouble-shooter for both national and international issues.

More: What Is a “Co-Presidency”? Would It Work? Biden-Obama 2020

Sounds great. Let's do it. Sweep both houses of Congress and the White House.

 

[FJO]

Could Joe Biden pick Barack Obama as his running mate? Yes. But.

The answer seems straightforward. But it is less straightforward than it appears.

Michael Dorf is a professor of constitutional law at Cornell University. In 2000, he argued that an Al Gore-Bill Clinton ticket could withstand legal scrutiny. And when we spoke by phone on Thursday, he said that he stood by that argument.

The rough outline of his argument is this: The 22nd Amendment doesn't say you can't be president for more than two terms. It says you can't be elected president twice. If a Biden-Obama ticket won (which we'll get to), and tragedy were to befall Joe Biden, Barack Obama could become president, according to the letter of the law (which we'll also get to), since he wasn't elected to the position. As such, Obama is not constitutionally ineligible to serve as president.

So, in short: Yes, Joe Biden can name Barack Obama as his running mate. It's even conceivable that, if they won, they could argue their case before Congress to be seated as president and vice president.

More: Could Joe Biden pick Barack Obama as his running mate? Yes. But.

This sounds like a great idea to me! It's sinking in! The A-Team! What do you think?

Could Joe Biden pick Barack Obama as his running mate? Yes. But.

The answer seems straightforward. But it is less straightforward than it appears.

Michael Dorf is a professor of constitutional law at Cornell University. In 2000, he argued that an Al Gore-Bill Clinton ticket could withstand legal scrutiny. And when we spoke by phone on Thursday, he said that he stood by that argument.

The rough outline of his argument is this: The 22nd Amendment doesn't say you can't be president for more than two terms. It says you can't be elected president twice. If a Biden-Obama ticket won (which we'll get to), and tragedy were to befall Joe Biden, Barack Obama could become president, according to the letter of the law (which we'll also get to), since he wasn't elected to the position. As such, Obama is not constitutionally ineligible to serve as president.

So, in short: Yes, Joe Biden can name Barack Obama as his running mate. It's even conceivable that, if they won, they could argue their case before Congress to be seated as president and vice president.

More: Could Joe Biden pick Barack Obama as his running mate? Yes. But.

This sounds like a great idea to me! It's sinking in! The A-Team! What do you think?

This misbegotten idea gives the expression "scraping the bottom of the barrel" a whole brand new meaning.

 

[FJO]

VP has to become POTUS if something happens to Biden. Its against the constitution for Obama to do that since he served 8 years.

As I said above - it's legally possible.

Could Joe Biden pick Barack Obama as his running mate? Yes. But.

Cant read that link. It wants me to sign up for a subscription. What does it say?

It's too long to post - but does sound legally possible. Here are some excerpts:

The answer seems straightforward. But it is less straightforward than it appears.

Michael Dorf is a professor of constitutional law at Cornell University. In 2000, he argued that an Al Gore-Bill Clinton ticket could withstand legal scrutiny. And when we spoke by phone on Thursday, he said that he stood by that argument.

The rough outline of his argument is this: The 22nd Amendment doesn't say you can't be president for more than two terms. It says you can't be elected president twice. If a Biden-Obama ticket won (which we'll get to), and tragedy were to befall Joe Biden, Barack Obama could become president, according to the letter of the law (which we'll also get to), since he wasn't elected to the position. As such, Obama is not constitutionally ineligible to serve as president.

So, in short: Yes, Joe Biden can name Barack Obama as his running mate. It's even conceivable that, if they won, they could argue their case before Congress to be seated as president and vice president.

AMENDMENT XXII - Passed by Congress March 21, 1947. Ratified February 27, 1951.

Section 1.
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.


NO! he can not...

Yes, like I stated above - "elected" is the operative word. Read my link slowly.

The rough outline of his argument is this: The 22nd Amendment doesn't say you can't be president for more than two terms. It says you can't be elected president twice. If a Biden-Obama ticket won (which we'll get to), and tragedy were to befall Joe Biden, Barack Obama could become president, according to the letter of the law (which we'll also get to), since he wasn't elected to the position. As such, Obama is not constitutionally ineligible to serve as president.

According to the Democratic mantra, GWB was SELECTED, not elected in 2000.

So, he is eligible to be elected President again.

For a legal second term.

 

[beagle9]

If Biden runs he will have Maxine Waters as VP.

. Good googly moogly... The Demon-crats are a messed up bunch attached to a politic class of crazies when think about it. Maxine Waters - bahwahawahawahhahawaha. She should have never been allowed to leave the public school system as head over the cafeteria staff much less become a skilled politician oh wait. Meh, not sure what their former careers we're, but I don't think that they could have been creators/engineer's, uh rather just good old government dependent's is my take the way they conduct themselves as politicians. I could be wrong though.