Biden just pledged to shut down 60% of America’s electric power

[elektra]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1364032104001285

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0309524X19868473

https://www.science.org/content/article/massive-energy-storage-courtesy-west-ireland

Wind-pumped-hydro Power Station of El Hierro - Fedarene

Find out how the Canary Island of El Hierro supplies its electrical energy from clean and renewable energy sources such as wind, and how they use their surplus wind energy to pump water from a lower reservoir at sea level!

fedarene.org

I don't think you get it... They pump water up and use it as a battery... This is very common...

Here is one in Ireland

Turlough Hill Power Station - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

small one in Us

????
As you project, you do not get it

Cowboy doesnt read his own links, just Google ones opinion and assume the Google result fits

Everything you linked to, is not being used with wind power

The second one in Ireland uses more electricity than it creates. But they fill at night when electricity is cheap then sell it when the price goes up enough to offset the loss.

Wind mostly does not blow at night. A huge problem.

You just proved my point, wind turbines are too expensive and inefficient to use as a source for electricity.

Adding solar and wind to the grid is pure stupidity

 

[CowboyTed]

????
As you project, you do not get it

Cowboy doesnt read his own links, just Google ones opinion and assume the Google result fits

Everything you linked to, is not being used with wind power

The second one in Ireland uses more electricity than it creates. But they fill at night when electricity is cheap then sell it when the price goes up enough to offset the loss.

Wind mostly does not blow at night. A huge problem.

You just proved my point, wind turbines are too expensive and inefficient to use as a source for electricity.

Adding solar and wind to the grid is pure stupidity

I have shown you time and time again Wind produces more power at night than is used... There isn't a enough of a significant drop as you claim...
Europe dumps Wind Power at night and the solutions I posted is actually about storing that power... Hydro Storage is popular but getting even more popular..
Wind power is the main driver of pumped storage in Europe...
So lets recap:
You say it is too expensive:

Renewables Were The World’s Cheapest Energy Source in 2020 | World Economic Forum

You say it doesn't provide enough power:

Share of energy consumption from renewable sources in Europe

According to European Environment Agency (EEA) early estimates, 22.5% of energy consumed in the EU in 2022 generated from renewable sources. This slight increase compared to 2021, was largely driven by strong growth in solar power. The share is also amplified by a 2022 reduction in non-renewable...

www.eea.europa.eu

Sitting at 22.5% of the whole of EU with actual experts going for 42% by 2030.
This shows scalability.

You say unreliable:
We have shown with mixed use with Gas and Nuclear it is far more reliable than a supply from a crackpot war criminal in Russia or the whims of a Arab Royal family.
Now they are turning towards Hydo pump storage to ween off Gas even more.. Gas in Europe is the big risk.

I have shown you that there when compared to demand there is far more wind power supplied at night than used.

I get it, you don't like wind power and some how seem to be offended by this cheap renewable power. I was drinking with an Oil and Gas guy on saturday Night and he said the choice is simple, swap to wind. The big thing he agrees with me, we should be making it Co-Ops over Corps... This should be for the betterment of the people not corporate profits

 

[elektra]

I have shown you time and time again Wind produces more power at night than is used... There isn't a enough of a significant drop as you claim...
Europe dumps Wind Power at night and the solutions I posted is actually about storing that power... Hydro Storage is popular but getting even more popular..
Wind power is the main driver of pumped storage in Europe...
So lets recap:
You say it is too expensive:

Renewables Were The World’s Cheapest Energy Source in 2020 | World Economic Forum

You say it doesn't provide enough power:

Share of energy consumption from renewable sources in Europe

According to European Environment Agency (EEA) early estimates, 22.5% of energy consumed in the EU in 2022 generated from renewable sources. This slight increase compared to 2021, was largely driven by strong growth in solar power. The share is also amplified by a 2022 reduction in non-renewable...

www.eea.europa.eu

Sitting at 22.5% of the whole of EU with actual experts going for 42% by 2030.
This shows scalability.

You say unreliable:
We have shown with mixed use with Gas and Nuclear it is far more reliable than a supply from a crackpot war criminal in Russia or the whims of a Arab Royal family.
Now they are turning towards Hydo pump storage to ween off Gas even more.. Gas in Europe is the big risk.

I have shown you that there when compared to demand there is far more wind power supplied at night than used.

I get it, you don't like wind power and some how seem to be offended by this cheap renewable power. I was drinking with an Oil and Gas guy on saturday Night and he said the choice is simple, swap to wind. The big thing he agrees with me, we should be making it Co-Ops over Corps... This should be for the betterment of the people not corporate profits

Hahaha

You showed nothing that proves there is any wind produced at night.

Your pumped storage post showed they are not pumping water with wind power.

You can link all you like to propaganda you like, on price, yet the facts prove the propaganda as just that, propaganda.

You like to say you know the price, fine, how much have we spent, total on all that is the green economy and how much will we spend.

Give us the price, cowboy.

And how about proving that pumped storage, you showed us stuff using fossil fuel.

Wind don't work at night, you went from saying it don't matter because there is no demand to wind does produce at night?

You have it all wrong and seeing how you know nothing about it you resort to links to try and bail you out. Links you don't quote from, links you don't read.

 

[Skull]

NERC says the Grid is failing fast. Blackouts are increasing.

https://www.nerc.com/news/Headlines%20DL/2023%20LTRA%20Media%20Release.pdf

 

[Vrenn]

NERC says the Grid is failing fast. Blackouts are increasing.

https://www.nerc.com/news/Headlines%20DL/2023%20LTRA%20Media%20Release.pdf

It's not the electric supply that is failing. It's the 70+ year old infrastructure.

What we are doing in this part of the country is to shut down coal and oil burner plants when they are replaced with either solar or wind plants. Almost all of them have been shut down so far.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

This is an opinion piece.

Biden said no NEW coal plants. The existing ones will remain online for a long time.

"Sharply reduce methane" Does not mean stop using all natural gas immediately.

What do you think will happen if Democrats succeed in electrifying our hundreds of millions of automobiles and trucks?

 

[elektra]

It's not the electric supply that is failing. It's the 70+ year old infrastructure.

What we are doing in this part of the country is to shut down coal and oil burner plants when they are replaced with either solar or wind plants. Almost all of them have been shut down so far.
The 70+ year old infrastructure was great for what it is designed for. Electricity being produced in the market it serves.

The 70+ year old infrastructure does not do so well when engineers force what was regional, into a national grid where electricity can be traded on Wall St. Now we add the intermittent wildly fluctuating "green energy" to the grid creating more problems.

Time to go back to what works, local power distributed locally.

Yes, shutting down coal, oil burners (there are no oil burners providing electricity) and replacing them with Solar and Wind does not work. Neither solar or wind can provide the same amount of electricity.

The problem is not old infrastructure. The problem is dirty, inefficient, weak and expensive solar and wind plants.

https://www.nerc.com/news/Headlines%20DL/2023%20LTRA%20Media%20Release.pdf

. Over the same period, the resource mix continues to transition as wind, solar photovoltaic and battery resources are added. The 2023 LTRA finds that most areas are facing resource adequacy challenges, with many projected to have reserve shortages or emerging energy risks in future years. In addition, the new mix of resources heightens fuel supply concerns as the reliance on just-in-time delivery of natural gas fuel to generation increases.

 

[CowboyTed]

Hahaha

You showed nothing that proves there is any wind produced at night.

Your pumped storage post showed they are not pumping water with wind power.

You can link all you like to propaganda you like, on price, yet the facts prove the propaganda as just that, propaganda.

You like to say you know the price, fine, how much have we spent, total on all that is the green economy and how much will we spend.

Give us the price, cowboy.

And how about proving that pumped storage, you showed us stuff using fossil fuel.

Wind don't work at night, you went from saying it don't matter because there is no demand to wind does produce at night?

You have it all wrong and seeing how you know nothing about it you resort to links to try and bail you out. Links you don't quote from, links you don't read.

I have shown that wind blows at night... Your concept that wind doesn't blow at night is a joke...

All these have this magical wind at night...

Wind power is so cheap at night in Texas, some companies give it away

To keep up with competitors, Texas utilities are offering consumers free electricity at night.

grist.org

There is plenty of wind at night... This is just laughable at this stage... There is far more wind than demand for power...

The problem is that you have produced nothing... You haven't actually proven a single thing wrong with wind...
You can't explain why Europe has heavilly invested in it or why Texas has too.. You got no evidence...

 

[elektra]

The problem is that you have produced nothing... You haven't actually proven a single thing wrong with wind...
You can't explain why Europe has heavilly invested in it or why Texas has too.. You got no evidence...

Cost, too expensive
Short life span, bad after 10 years of service, if it last 10 years
Weak power output, extremely week,
Need to be built 24 hours a day, forever,
Requires a huge amount of land

Europe and Texas, subsidies are huge, that is why anybody invested

 

[elektra]

A sad investment for the American people

 

[CowboyTed]

Cost, too expensive

Cheaper than fossil fules

Short life span, bad after 10 years of service, if it last 10 years

We have wind turbines lasting comfortably 25 years and longer if better maintained.

Wind Turbine Blades Don’t Have To End Up In Landfills

In this blog post, we will examine land-based wind turbines and the recycling opportunities that exist but are not yet widely implemented for the turbine blades.

blog.ucsusa.org

Weak power output, extremely week,

Wind will be largest within 5 years... So again you can't proved your statements...

Need to be built 24 hours a day, forever,
Requires a huge amount of land

Europe and Texas, subsidies are huge, that is why anybody invested

Europe seem to be doing it just fine
Europe is doing and they have less land. You can still farm under wind turbines.

 

[elektra]

Cheaper than fossil fules

How much have we already spent, total cost? How much spent on Solar and Wind, including the research. And, you have to have the same power output of an equal fossil plant.

So tell us what we are comparing to what.

 

[CowboyTed]

Cheaper than fossil fules

We have wind turbines lasting comfortably 25 years and longer if better maintained.

Wind Turbine Blades Don’t Have To End Up In Landfills

In this blog post, we will examine land-based wind turbines and the recycling opportunities that exist but are not yet widely implemented for the turbine blades.

blog.ucsusa.org

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Wind will be largest within 5 years... So again you can't proved your statements...

Europe seem to be doing it just fine
Europe is doing and they have less land. You can still farm under wind turbines.

A sad investment for the American people
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By the way in the real life Turbines are lasting almost 30 years...

https://www.scottishpower.com/news/pages/scottishpower_to_repower_scotlands_first_commercial_windfarm.aspx

They recycle 85% of the old turbines but bringing that close to 100% with ones which we are building in the future..

 

[elektra]

We have wind turbines lasting comfortably 25 years and longer if better maintained.

Wind Turbine Blades Don’t Have To End Up In Landfills

In this blog post, we will examine land-based wind turbines and the recycling opportunities that exist but are not yet widely implemented for the turbine blades.

blog.ucsusa.org

hahahaahahahahahaha, And when you can finally admit that wind turbines are garbage that must be thrown away, you present us with an article telling us that throwing away wind turbines is so expensive that the government pays for it!

The technology used by Carbon Rivers is being supported through grant funding by the US Department of Energy

 

[CowboyTed]

How much have we already spent, total cost? How much spent on Solar and Wind, including the research. And, you have to have the same power output of an equal fossil plant.

So tell us what we are comparing to what.

Cool lets look at costs:

First how much did this cost?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(23)00488-5/fulltext#:~:text=The%20researchers%20examined%20Medicare%20data,to%20coal%20PM2%C2%B75.

 

[CowboyTed]

hahahaahahahahahaha, And when you can finally admit that wind turbines are garbage that must be thrown away, you present us with an article telling us that throwing away wind turbines is so expensive that the government pays for it!



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You did read the article...

They talked about the challange of recycling them but Europe and Siemens have already achieved this...

Siemens Gamesa RecyclableBlade

Siemens Gamesa is leading the way for a sustainable future with the RecyclableBlade, the first product to offer a comprehensive recyclable solution that is ready for commercial use both offshore and onshore.

www.siemensgamesa.com

You have to learn, your attitude is what has US behind in technology and you think you are some how ahead...
You look at US issues with wind and you think they haven't been solved... Europe has been investing in wind commercially for decades, they have the technology and they are just making you look embarrassing at this stage...

 

[elektra]

You did read the article...

They talked about the challange of recycling them but Europe and Siemens have already achieved this...

Siemens Gamesa RecyclableBlade

Siemens Gamesa is leading the way for a sustainable future with the RecyclableBlade, the first product to offer a comprehensive recyclable solution that is ready for commercial use both offshore and onshore.

www.siemensgamesa.com

You have to learn, your attitude is what has US behind in technology and you think you are some how ahead...
You look at US issues with wind and you think they haven't been solved... Europe has been investing in wind commercially for decades, they have the technology and they are just making you look embarrassing at this stage...

Wind Turbines are not looking ahead in technology. They do not work. The give us dirty intermittent electricity and a huge expense.

Europe has invested in Wind Technology for decades, and every design has failed or is obsolete, broken, and must be torn down.

and yes, siemens made a recyclable blade, does that mean they will get recycled? You can recycle current blades, yet they do not. Too expensive.

If Europe and the world had built Nuclear power plants, we would not be replacing every single one, they would operate for an easy 75 years without a burp

Are these the turbine blades that can be recycled? Looks like a good thing, they are cracked and falling apart, by the thousands.
In terms of the scope of the problem, Reuters noted today that Siemens Gamesa is having “problems affecting up to 15-30% of the more than 132 gigawatts worth of turbines worldwide. Its total wind capacity is equivalent to around 132 nuclear plants.”

 

[elektra]

You have to learn, your attitude is what has US behind in technology and you think you are some how ahead...
You look at US issues with wind and you think they haven't been solved... Europe has been investing in wind commercially for decades, they have the technology and they are just making you look embarrassing at this stage...

What has us behind in technology is the Democrats that have given our missile and nuclear technology to China.

You think building wind turbines is an advance in technology? Talk about not thinking at all. Wind Turbines are older than electricity itself.

What has the science given us, let us look at the technological advancements of wind.

75' tall towers, tens of thousands of wind turbines, after 10 years of use all garbage, scientific solution?

Build bigger and more

150' tall towers, tens of thousands of wind turbines, after 10 years of use all garbage, scientific solution,

Build bigger, 300' tall wind turbines, they dont work? Science says, build bigger 500', dont work, build bigger!!!!!!

900' tall wind turbines. Yes, it my thinking that allowed Obama and Clinton to transfer missile and nuclear technology to china, if I only embraced bigger!

 

[elektra]

Cool lets look at costs:

First how much did this cost?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(23)00488-5/fulltext#:~:text=The%20researchers%20examined%20Medicare%20data,to%20coal%20PM2%C2%B75.

No, let us first look at how many people would die without electricity.

Had we relied on solar and wind, even if it was available, there would be no hospitals doing operations.

Wind and Solar power next to nothing, and they certainly are nor replacing coal power, that would be natural gas.

 

[CowboyTed]

Wind Turbines are not looking ahead in technology. They do not work. The give us dirty intermittent electricity and a huge expense.

Europe has invested in Wind Technology for decades, and every design has failed or is obsolete, broken, and must be torn down.

and yes, siemens made a recyclable blade, does that mean they will get recycled? You can recycle current blades, yet they do not. Too expensive.

If Europe and the world had built Nuclear power plants, we would not be replacing every single one, they would operate for an easy 75 years without a burp

Are these the turbine blades that can be recycled? Looks like a good thing, they are cracked and falling apart, by the thousands.
In terms of the scope of the problem, Reuters noted today that Siemens Gamesa is having “problems affecting up to 15-30% of the more than 132 gigawatts worth of turbines worldwide. Its total wind capacity is equivalent to around 132 nuclear plants.”

Nuclear???
" A combination of short-term hazards and a lack of vision on energy have weakened France's electricity production, more than two-thirds of which comes from nuclear power. Of the country's 56 available reactors, sixteen are still shut down."

Energy crisis: 'France faces blackouts for lack of common sense'

COLUMN. 'Le Monde' journalist Stéphane Lauer blames both the government and the opposition for the way they handled the possible planned power cuts that could occur this winter.

www.lemonde.fr

This is breaking your heart... Europe is moving over time away from Coal and towards a Gas & Wind mix... Wind gives them a far more dependable supply than a mad guy in Russia...

The Nuclear Power Stations are falling apart and Wind is cheaper alternative...

Solar and on-shore wind provide cheapest electricity and nuclear most expensive, CSIRO analysis shows

Estimates show small modular nuclear reactors would provide most expensive power and will not be available until 2030

www.theguardian.com

This is Europe... They aren't owned by lobbyists and have actual facts on their side... Wind is cheap put comes with the challange of reliability... The balance this up with Gas at the moment but are looking at alternatives... Geothermal out of Iceland is also an option...
The laugh is that they are spending large part of the money on energy on internally thus keeping the money in there economy rather than giving it to Russia or Middle East.

So we have things like this:

ESB signs agreement with Danish wind energy group to develop offshore farm | BreakingNews.ie

Orsted will become a 50 per cent partner in a series of offshore wind development projects off Ireland's coast

www.breakingnews.ie

That is two companies with majority shareholders are the two governments...