Bible as the "word of God".

[emilynghiem]

PS----of the three religions mentioned------the ONE that did NOT engage
in genocide is Judaism-----Christians and muslims have murdered
in the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in the pursuit of empire buiding
and forced imposition of their beliefs--------AND COUNTING

Dear irosie: Many people blame the Zionist warfare on the Jews, especially
those who sympathize with the Palestinians and blame Jews for occupying land
and committing genocide.

If you are wise enough to see that the Jewish faith is not this Zionist genocide,
then please be wise enough to see that the Jihadist terrorism is not the Muslim faith.

The Jihadists take advantage of the Muslims and the religion to take over govts
and military power because the Muslims are so peaceful. Similar to the Chinese
taking over Tibet because the Buddhists are so peaceful.

They are being taken advantage of, they are victims also!

Are you going to blame Tibetans for the genocide of the Chinese?
Some people do. Some people blame Buddhism for being so passive
it enables and allows oppression to exist unchecked.

So if you are going to blame Muslims for Jihadist running them over and hijacking their faith,
please also blame Jewish people what Zionists have done in the name of God and Israel
and blame Tibetan Buddhists for what Chinese have done to take over their lands also.

Please be fair!

Emily----your ramblings are not only very ill informed----they are also
disgusting and offensive. It is difficult for me to ENUMERATE examples
of your filth because your filth is so PERVASIVE

In one of your idiot posts you waxed idiotic by claiming that the writings of
the scriptures you call the Old Testament----promoted genocide---and even
noted that something in MY post supported that idea-----OK---interesting
----what did I write in my post that supports the idea that the writings of
the Old testament-------galvanized the genocides of the hundreds of
millions of people murdered by muslims and Christians.
BTW----there is no genocide going on in "Palestine"-----there might be
if your isis pigs move in. ---btw---isis IS ISLAAAM. For more understanding---
read the Koran. I have known hundreds of muslims right here in the US----
there is ABSOLUTELY nothing you can tell me about muslims in general.----
My husband was born in a very classically SHARIAH SHIT HOLE muslim
country------it had been a shariah shit hole long before 1948. If
you need to know something about islam-----speak to a Christian or jewish
survivor of shariah shit

Sorry for the misunderstanding, irosie91
I was trying to AGREE with you, that YES there has been Christian genocide
committed in the name of God but in the spirit of Antichrist.

I was TRYING to tell you I ACKNOWLEDGE the hypocrisy and killing
"in the name of Christ" when this was clearly false and against God's will as wrongful.

I am saying this is in the spirit of the Old Testament where people killed for
control of the laws and the land, wiping out tribes instead of correcting the problems:
Killing the Canaanites A Response to the New Atheism s Divine Genocide Claims - Christian Research Institute

In books such as "When God was a Woman"
this points to scriptures where the female and pagan tribes were killed off
to take over and make them subject to patriarchal laws instead:

Example Jeremiah 44:19 refers to Goddess worship of the tribes that were forced to marry into the
patriarchal systems and laws and give up their pagan traditions
Jeremiah 44 19 The women added When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her did not our husbands know that we were making cakes impressed with her image and pouring out drink offerings to her

"But since we stopped burning sacrifices to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have met our end by the sword and by famine." 19"And," said the women, "when we were burning sacrifices to the queen of heaven and were pouring out drink offerings to her, was it without our husbands that we made for her sacrificial cakes in her image and poured out drink offerings to her?"

irosie: I am NOT talking about the GOOD laws and the TRUE laws given by God in the OT.
I am talking about the history of political greed for MATERIAL control that CORRUPTED these laws
so people committed GENOCIDE to control people and lands.

This Antichrist/Corruption is the spirit of genocide behind the Holocaust, behind Terrorism
behind the wars in the Middle East where the political sides seek power by KILLING off the others
and FORCING them to give up to them. This is OLD SCHOOL.

So I see where we are miscommunicated on at least one part.
There is nothing wrong with the Torah and the true teachings and laws of God given in the OT.

the Problem has been with the spirit of the laws, if laws are enforced by ILL WILL that is NOT God's ill.
if it is by Retribution, this is not for man to decide justice out of greed and corruption that causes
political oppression and genocide.

I was TRYING to agree with you, where the genocide was coming from,
from not following God's laws but getting lost in retribution and corrupting the law.
this is what happens when you follow the letter, and it is bought out by political control over authority.

Sorry that wasn't clear

2. From the perspective of those who sympathize with the Palestinians
YES they do blame the Jews for oppressing and punishing innocent Muslims
because of the Terrorists. These forces are so mixed together, the innocent civilians
suffer along with the terrorists. We all know this is messed up.

I am NOT saying to blame the Jews for this.
I am saying the same way Jews ARE being blamed for the extreme Zionist warfare,
the Muslims are blamed for the extreme Jihadist and terrorist warfare.

There are peaceful Muslims Jews and Christians
who normally live in peace and all believe in God and following God's laws.

But they are overrun by warmongers who want control of the land.
That is politics, and is corrupting and abusing the religion to raise fear and incite violence
against other groups.

But if you take the politics out of the picture,
the normal default is the Muslims Jews and Christians live in peace under God's laws.

I stand by that. The genocidal politics is not natural and not God's ideal will.
it happens for a reason until we all unite and get right with the universal laws that govern all humanity in peace.

 

[Avatar4321]

Hello to all.

I speak as a Muslim. I do not see how the Bible can be God's word. Since it is a set of writings assembled before Jesus and some time after him, (peace on him), it can not possibly be the word of God, unaltered, unchanged, uncorrupted. We can not expect that in the 2nd or 3rd century, let alone in the 21st century. Great Jesus was a man of purity and so were his helpers, but before them and after them there were only normal human beings who could rearrange the words of God (if any) to fit their own agendas. This I say in all logic. It confirms what I say, that those who are considered saints in Christianity apparently fail to feature the saintly attributes.

have you read the bible?

 

[irosie91]

Emily----how about you cut the B.S. I know you far better than you know me----
I,, VERY MUCH , resent you offer of sympathy for my "pain and suffering"----
I did not suggest to you that I experienced pain and suffering but I can see
how that ploy could work for you on some idiots
HOUSTON---is that Texas? oh good---now I know you better----
the AA meeting I was forced to monitor included mostly Texans----now
those poor kids saw suffering-------alcoholic parents and idiot Texan
notions

Getting back to YOU------since I grew up in a Nazi town (on the east coast of
the USA) I read your literature as a very young child----it was scattered
here and there amongst the empty beer bottles and "pints"-------you are
quoting Nazi propaganda. I have an excellent memory for anything I read---
even stuff I read at age ten (ps---that was more than 50 years ago)

 

[irosie91]

Hello to all.

I speak as a Muslim. I do not see how the Bible can be God's word. Since it is a set of writings assembled before Jesus and some time after him, (peace on him), it can not possibly be the word of God, unaltered, unchanged, uncorrupted. We can not expect that in the 2nd or 3rd century, let alone in the 21st century. Great Jesus was a man of purity and so were his helpers, but before them and after them there were only normal human beings who could rearrange the words of God (if any) to fit their own agendas. This I say in all logic. It confirms what I say, that those who are considered saints in Christianity apparently fail to feature the saintly attributes.

have you read the bible?

Avatar---most muslims never even read the Koran-----the teaching that the bible is a fraud is a very PROMINENT part of the mosque curriculum thruout the world.
Long long ago----when I was very young ---well---about 20 I encountered lots
of muslims NEWLY arrived into the USA------literate types---medical school graduates. ---------I heard all about it way back then and even got invited to a
mosque------where I heard it from the horse's mouth------they called the ranting
idiot up front "imam" -------a real genius and I quote---
in reference to Christians----on GOOD FRIDAY (no less)

""PERVERSE LIARS ----ENEMEEEEEES OF ISLAAAAAM"
the genius refuted the crucifixtion story and the bible in general ----I grew
up amongst Christians-----I was DAMNED HORRIFIED and had to take
deep breaths to avoid vomiting on the carpet----sheeesh it was GOOD
FRIDAY-----I had been looking forward to chocolate rabbits

 

[Avatar4321]

That's not surprising to me. But I want to see what he says. Only way to find out is for him to answer

 

[emilynghiem]

Emily----how about you cut the B.S. I know you far better than you know me----
I,, VERY MUCH , resent you offer of sympathy for my "pain and suffering"----
I did not suggest to you that I experienced pain and suffering but I can see
how that ploy could work for you on some idiots
HOUSTON---is that Texas? oh good---now I know you better----
the AA meeting I was forced to monitor included mostly Texans----now
those poor kids saw suffering-------alcoholic parents and idiot Texan
notions

Getting back to YOU------since I grew up in a Nazi town (on the east coast of
the USA) I read your literature as a very young child----it was scattered
here and there amongst the empty beer bottles and "pints"-------you are
quoting Nazi propaganda. I have an excellent memory for anything I read---
even stuff I read at age ten (ps---that was more than 50 years ago)

???

Dear irosie91: If you know me, after only reading a few of my posts,
you are well ahead of my family and friends, who have taken 10, 20, 40 years
and we're still working on understanding each other, Congratulations on being psychic.

What you missed is that I was brought up secular gentile
by Vietnamese Buddhist parents, and am a Constitutionalist.
I believe the Constitutional principles such as due process and equal protections
are based on natural laws given by God, so I take it upon myself to respect
and protect the free exercise of all religions by resolving any conflict between them
so there is no imposition or exclusion of anyone. I believe in Consensus on law through Christ
by redressing grievances and correction/restitution for wrongs until all debts/damages are resolved and agreement is reached to restore peace and justice for all. (see also Matthew 18:15-20)

I am not Christian by culture, and to me it is like a second language.
I struggle with it so much, I should take it as a compliment that you
see me as a native Christian and call this my literature. I am more comfortable with secular or Constitutional terms that appeal to more people as a common language.

I understand it from a secular perspective, what connects me with
Christians and also Jewish and Muslims is that we all receive the spirit of Christ
so we are joined by conscience.

The anger and indignance in your words tells me you hold strong convictions
because of the genocides you have seen in the name of these religions.

So I see that you have awareness and emotions connected with this suffering.

Sorry if this offends you.

You do not offend me even though you make assumptions about me,
because I tried to explain the meaning I see in the Bible
and because I am in Houston Texas.

I look forward to getting to know you better
so I can better understand where you are coming from.

Thank you so much and I do apologize for anything
I said that came across wrong, offensive, assuming things or whatever
you see as faulty or false.

I do believe in correcting my mistakes and thank you in advance
for that opportunity. I hope in the process this may relieve and heal
any negative reaction or insult I caused unintentionally. My apologies
for that, as I only have the best intent of reaching an agreement with
you as to what is going on with these religions and how to fix the problems.

Yours truly,
Emily

 

[irosie91]

That's not surprising to me. But I want to see what he says. Only way to find out is for him to answer

you are damned optimistic-------

 

[emilynghiem]

Hello to all.

I speak as a Muslim. I do not see how the Bible can be God's word. Since it is a set of writings assembled before Jesus and some time after him, (peace on him), it can not possibly be the word of God, unaltered, unchanged, uncorrupted. We can not expect that in the 2nd or 3rd century, let alone in the 21st century. Great Jesus was a man of purity and so were his helpers, but before them and after them there were only normal human beings who could rearrange the words of God (if any) to fit their own agendas. This I say in all logic. It confirms what I say, that those who are considered saints in Christianity apparently fail to feature the saintly attributes.

have you read the bible?

Avatar---most muslims never even read the Koran-----the teaching that the bible is a fraud is a very PROMINENT part of the mosque curriculum thruout the world.
Long long ago----when I was very young ---well---about 20 I encountered lots
of muslims NEWLY arrived into the USA------literate types---medical school graduates. ---------I heard all about it way back then and even got invited to a
mosque------where I heard it from the horse's mouth------they called the ranting
idiot up front "imam" -------a real genius and I quote---
in reference to Christians----on GOOD FRIDAY (no less)

""PERVERSE LIARS ----ENEMEEEEEES OF ISLAAAAAM"
the genius refuted the crucifixtion story and the bible in general ----I grew
up amongst Christians-----I was DAMNED HORRIFIED and had to take
deep breaths to avoid vomiting on the carpet----sheeesh it was GOOD
FRIDAY-----I had been looking forward to chocolate rabbits

Dear irosie: my friend Mustafaa Carroll who formerly headed CAIR in Houston
reads and studies the Bible every day, as part of his Muslim faith.
He works alongside Christian and Jewish members of the peace and justice
community in Houston, and recently won an award for his volunteer outreach
and educational efforts to bridge cultural gaps in the community.

He has Christian pastors in his family and they get along and agree on the Bible,
even though he doesn't get how Christians can be so judgmental and rejecting
and be following the same Bible!

I believe what allows us to join as neighbors in Christ is forgiveness.

The people who are forgiving are able to agree on truth even if we are from different
faith backgrounds, and the people who can't forgive will fight even if they are the same background.

Jihadists kill innocent Muslims because they want to punish instead of forgive and correct problems.
Christians have killed other people because of unforgiveness and fear.

the issue is more than just which religion we are
but to what degree we have or have not forgiven injustice from the past.
if we act out of fear instead of love.

those are the common factors I see that make the difference
how well we can work out our differences, our conflicts and errors,
and reach a clear understanding that is consistent with God's truth.

 

[irosie91]

Emily----how about you cut the B.S. I know you far better than you know me----
I,, VERY MUCH , resent you offer of sympathy for my "pain and suffering"----
I did not suggest to you that I experienced pain and suffering but I can see
how that ploy could work for you on some idiots
HOUSTON---is that Texas? oh good---now I know you better----
the AA meeting I was forced to monitor included mostly Texans----now
those poor kids saw suffering-------alcoholic parents and idiot Texan
notions

how about you cut the BS------I am very familiar with the MONOTHEISM FOR
ALL movement------it is Nazi shit------

Getting back to YOU------since I grew up in a Nazi town (on the east coast of
the USA) I read your literature as a very young child----it was scattered
here and there amongst the empty beer bottles and "pints"-------you are
quoting Nazi propaganda. I have an excellent memory for anything I read---
even stuff I read at age ten (ps---that was more than 50 years ago)

???

Dear irosie91: If you know me, after only reading a few of my posts,
you are well ahead of my family and friends, who have taken 10, 20, 40 years
and we're still working on understanding each other, Congratulations on being psychic.

What you missed is that I was brought up secular gentile
by Vietnamese Buddhist parents, and am a Constitutionalist.
I believe the Constitutional principles such as due process and equal protections
are based on natural laws given by God, so I take it upon myself to respect
and protect the free exercise of all religions by resolving any conflict between them
so there is no imposition or exclusion of anyone. I believe in Consensus on law through Christ
by redressing grievances and correction/restitution for wrongs until all debts/damages are resolved and agreement is reached to restore peace and justice for all. (see also Matthew 18:15-20)

I am not Christian by culture, and to me it is like a second language.
I struggle with it so much, I should take it as a compliment that you
see me as a native Christian and call this my literature. I am more comfortable with secular or Constitutional terms that appeal to more people as a common language.

I understand it from a secular perspective, what connects me with
Christians and also Jewish and Muslims is that we all receive the spirit of Christ
so we are joined by conscience.

The anger and indignance in your words tells me you hold strong convictions
because of the genocides you have seen in the name of these religions.

So I see that you have awareness and emotions connected with this suffering.

Sorry if this offends you.

You do not offend me even though you make assumptions about me,
because I tried to explain the meaning I see in the Bible
and because I am in Houston Texas.

I look forward to getting to know you better
so I can better understand where you are coming from.

Thank you so much and I do apologize for anything
I said that came across wrong, offensive, assuming things or whatever
you see as faulty or false.

I do believe in correcting my mistakes and thank you in advance
for that opportunity. I hope in the process this may relieve and heal
any negative reaction or insult I caused unintentionally. My apologies
for that, as I only have the best intent of reaching an agreement with
you as to what is going on with these religions and how to fix the problems.

Yours truly,
Emily

I do not believe you------you are disingenuous . Your comment upon my being
"PSYCHIC" is cynical and vulgar. Your comments on the bible do suggest you
never read it------what you have read is Nazi propaganda

 

[emilynghiem]

Emily----how about you cut the B.S. I know you far better than you know me----
I,, VERY MUCH , resent you offer of sympathy for my "pain and suffering"----
I did not suggest to you that I experienced pain and suffering but I can see
how that ploy could work for you on some idiots
HOUSTON---is that Texas? oh good---now I know you better----
the AA meeting I was forced to monitor included mostly Texans----now
those poor kids saw suffering-------alcoholic parents and idiot Texan
notions

how about you cut the BS------I am very familiar with the MONOTHEISM FOR
ALL movement------it is Nazi shit------

Getting back to YOU------since I grew up in a Nazi town (on the east coast of
the USA) I read your literature as a very young child----it was scattered
here and there amongst the empty beer bottles and "pints"-------you are
quoting Nazi propaganda. I have an excellent memory for anything I read---
even stuff I read at age ten (ps---that was more than 50 years ago)

???

Dear irosie91: If you know me, after only reading a few of my posts,
you are well ahead of my family and friends, who have taken 10, 20, 40 years
and we're still working on understanding each other, Congratulations on being psychic.

What you missed is that I was brought up secular gentile
by Vietnamese Buddhist parents, and am a Constitutionalist.
I believe the Constitutional principles such as due process and equal protections
are based on natural laws given by God, so I take it upon myself to respect
and protect the free exercise of all religions by resolving any conflict between them
so there is no imposition or exclusion of anyone. I believe in Consensus on law through Christ
by redressing grievances and correction/restitution for wrongs until all debts/damages are resolved and agreement is reached to restore peace and justice for all. (see also Matthew 18:15-20)

I am not Christian by culture, and to me it is like a second language.
I struggle with it so much, I should take it as a compliment that you
see me as a native Christian and call this my literature. I am more comfortable with secular or Constitutional terms that appeal to more people as a common language.

I understand it from a secular perspective, what connects me with
Christians and also Jewish and Muslims is that we all receive the spirit of Christ
so we are joined by conscience.

The anger and indignance in your words tells me you hold strong convictions
because of the genocides you have seen in the name of these religions.

So I see that you have awareness and emotions connected with this suffering.

Sorry if this offends you.

You do not offend me even though you make assumptions about me,
because I tried to explain the meaning I see in the Bible
and because I am in Houston Texas.

I look forward to getting to know you better
so I can better understand where you are coming from.

Thank you so much and I do apologize for anything
I said that came across wrong, offensive, assuming things or whatever
you see as faulty or false.

I do believe in correcting my mistakes and thank you in advance
for that opportunity. I hope in the process this may relieve and heal
any negative reaction or insult I caused unintentionally. My apologies
for that, as I only have the best intent of reaching an agreement with
you as to what is going on with these religions and how to fix the problems.

Yours truly,
Emily

I do not believe you------you are disingenuous . Your comment upon my being
"PSYCHIC" is cynical and vulgar. Your comments on the bible do suggest you
never read it------what you have read is Nazi propaganda

Dear irosie you are the one who said you knew me better already.
So why did you say that unless you thought you were psychic?

Are you okay, irosie?

Were you being sarcastic when you said you knew me?
If so, I apologize for not reading your sarcasm
and replying that way.

I thought you were trying to be smart or clever with me
so I tried to respond likewise.

Sorry I misunderstood!

Why don't you believe my background?
I believe yours. I don't understand.
sorry!

BTW. I have never read Nazi propaganda.
My friends who are Jewish do not reject Christianity and my friends who are Christian do not reject Jews. I know one Muslim who doesnt think Christians are teaching the truth. The others I know are fine with Jewish and Christian and have no such issues.

Irosie can you pls explain what you mean by Nazi propaganda?

 

[irosie91]

Emily----how about you cut the B.S. I know you far better than you know me----
I,, VERY MUCH , resent you offer of sympathy for my "pain and suffering"----
I did not suggest to you that I experienced pain and suffering but I can see
how that ploy could work for you on some idiots
HOUSTON---is that Texas? oh good---now I know you better----
the AA meeting I was forced to monitor included mostly Texans----now
those poor kids saw suffering-------alcoholic parents and idiot Texan
notions

how about you cut the BS------I am very familiar with the MONOTHEISM FOR
ALL movement------it is Nazi shit------

Getting back to YOU------since I grew up in a Nazi town (on the east coast of
the USA) I read your literature as a very young child----it was scattered
here and there amongst the empty beer bottles and "pints"-------you are
quoting Nazi propaganda. I have an excellent memory for anything I read---
even stuff I read at age ten (ps---that was more than 50 years ago)

???

Dear irosie91: If you know me, after only reading a few of my posts,
you are well ahead of my family and friends, who have taken 10, 20, 40 years
and we're still working on understanding each other, Congratulations on being psychic.

What you missed is that I was brought up secular gentile
by Vietnamese Buddhist parents, and am a Constitutionalist.
I believe the Constitutional principles such as due process and equal protections
are based on natural laws given by God, so I take it upon myself to respect
and protect the free exercise of all religions by resolving any conflict between them
so there is no imposition or exclusion of anyone. I believe in Consensus on law through Christ
by redressing grievances and correction/restitution for wrongs until all debts/damages are resolved and agreement is reached to restore peace and justice for all. (see also Matthew 18:15-20)

I am not Christian by culture, and to me it is like a second language.
I struggle with it so much, I should take it as a compliment that you
see me as a native Christian and call this my literature. I am more comfortable with secular or Constitutional terms that appeal to more people as a common language.

I understand it from a secular perspective, what connects me with
Christians and also Jewish and Muslims is that we all receive the spirit of Christ
so we are joined by conscience.

The anger and indignance in your words tells me you hold strong convictions
because of the genocides you have seen in the name of these religions.

So I see that you have awareness and emotions connected with this suffering.

Sorry if this offends you.

You do not offend me even though you make assumptions about me,
because I tried to explain the meaning I see in the Bible
and because I am in Houston Texas.

I look forward to getting to know you better
so I can better understand where you are coming from.

Thank you so much and I do apologize for anything
I said that came across wrong, offensive, assuming things or whatever
you see as faulty or false.

I do believe in correcting my mistakes and thank you in advance
for that opportunity. I hope in the process this may relieve and heal
any negative reaction or insult I caused unintentionally. My apologies
for that, as I only have the best intent of reaching an agreement with
you as to what is going on with these religions and how to fix the problems.

Yours truly,
Emily

I do not believe you------you are disingenuous . Your comment upon my being
"PSYCHIC" is cynical and vulgar. Your comments on the bible do suggest you
never read it------what you have read is Nazi propaganda

Dear irosie you are the one who said you knew me better already.
So why did you say that unless you thought you were psychic?

Are you okay, irosie?

Were you being sarcastic when you said you knew me?
If so, I apologize for not reading your sarcasm
and replying that way.

I thought you were trying to be smart or clever with me
so I tried to respond likewise.

Sorry I misunderstood!

Why don't you believe my background?
I believe yours. I don't understand.
sorry!

BTW. I have never read Nazi propaganda.
My friends who are Jewish do not reject Christianity and my friends who are Christian do not reject Jews. I know one Muslim who doesnt think Christians are teaching the truth. The others I know are fine with Jewish and Christian and have no such issues.

Irosie can you pls explain what you mean by Nazi propaganda?

cut the BS Emily. I know you by your posts only-----and the fact that
your posts include Nazi propaganda with which I am very familiar having
read it in my childhood. I also know that you are either very ignorant or
a liar. Does the term INTERFAITH MONOTHEISM mean anything to
you?

 

[emilynghiem]

Emily----how about you cut the B.S. I know you far better than you know me----
I,, VERY MUCH , resent you offer of sympathy for my "pain and suffering"----
I did not suggest to you that I experienced pain and suffering but I can see
how that ploy could work for you on some idiots
HOUSTON---is that Texas? oh good---now I know you better----
the AA meeting I was forced to monitor included mostly Texans----now
those poor kids saw suffering-------alcoholic parents and idiot Texan
notions

how about you cut the BS------I am very familiar with the MONOTHEISM FOR
ALL movement------it is Nazi shit------

Getting back to YOU------since I grew up in a Nazi town (on the east coast of
the USA) I read your literature as a very young child----it was scattered
here and there amongst the empty beer bottles and "pints"-------you are
quoting Nazi propaganda. I have an excellent memory for anything I read---
even stuff I read at age ten (ps---that was more than 50 years ago)

???

Dear irosie91: If you know me, after only reading a few of my posts,
you are well ahead of my family and friends, who have taken 10, 20, 40 years
and we're still working on understanding each other, Congratulations on being psychic.

What you missed is that I was brought up secular gentile
by Vietnamese Buddhist parents, and am a Constitutionalist.
I believe the Constitutional principles such as due process and equal protections
are based on natural laws given by God, so I take it upon myself to respect
and protect the free exercise of all religions by resolving any conflict between them
so there is no imposition or exclusion of anyone. I believe in Consensus on law through Christ
by redressing grievances and correction/restitution for wrongs until all debts/damages are resolved and agreement is reached to restore peace and justice for all. (see also Matthew 18:15-20)

I am not Christian by culture, and to me it is like a second language.
I struggle with it so much, I should take it as a compliment that you
see me as a native Christian and call this my literature. I am more comfortable with secular or Constitutional terms that appeal to more people as a common language.

I understand it from a secular perspective, what connects me with
Christians and also Jewish and Muslims is that we all receive the spirit of Christ
so we are joined by conscience.

The anger and indignance in your words tells me you hold strong convictions
because of the genocides you have seen in the name of these religions.

So I see that you have awareness and emotions connected with this suffering.

Sorry if this offends you.

You do not offend me even though you make assumptions about me,
because I tried to explain the meaning I see in the Bible
and because I am in Houston Texas.

I look forward to getting to know you better
so I can better understand where you are coming from.

Thank you so much and I do apologize for anything
I said that came across wrong, offensive, assuming things or whatever
you see as faulty or false.

I do believe in correcting my mistakes and thank you in advance
for that opportunity. I hope in the process this may relieve and heal
any negative reaction or insult I caused unintentionally. My apologies
for that, as I only have the best intent of reaching an agreement with
you as to what is going on with these religions and how to fix the problems.

Yours truly,
Emily

I do not believe you------you are disingenuous . Your comment upon my being
"PSYCHIC" is cynical and vulgar. Your comments on the bible do suggest you
never read it------what you have read is Nazi propaganda

Dear irosie you are the one who said you knew me better already.
So why did you say that unless you thought you were psychic?

Are you okay, irosie?

Were you being sarcastic when you said you knew me?
If so, I apologize for not reading your sarcasm
and replying that way.

I thought you were trying to be smart or clever with me
so I tried to respond likewise.

Sorry I misunderstood!

Why don't you believe my background?
I believe yours. I don't understand.
sorry!

BTW. I have never read Nazi propaganda.
My friends who are Jewish do not reject Christianity and my friends who are Christian do not reject Jews. I know one Muslim who doesnt think Christians are teaching the truth. The others I know are fine with Jewish and Christian and have no such issues.

Irosie can you pls explain what you mean by Nazi propaganda?

cut the BS Emily. I know you by your posts only-----and the fact that
your posts include Nazi propaganda with which I am very familiar having
read it in my childhood. I also know that you are either very ignorant or
a liar. Does the term INTERFAITH MONOTHEISM mean anything to
you?

No, but my friend Olivia, the one I told you about who embraces Christ as part of her Jewish outreach
to the community has WARNED me she cannot work with the "interfaith" groups that she says are teaching it falsely.

I don't know what this is, but I have heard from her, too, it is to be avoided,
from one of the people I trust most is correctly unifying Jewish and Christian
and others through the nonprofit outreach her charity provides for all communities.

Can you explain what this is because now I am hearing the same thing
from you I think my friend Olivia must have been trying to warn me about, too.

As for Nazi propaganda, even Peter Loth (the Holocaust survivor who teaches
Jewish Christian outreach to stop abuses by teaching healing through forgiveness)
showed video footage of Nazi camp administrators stopping their operations to
take a break and to sing Bible hymnals just like a Christian choir. So he shows
these were normal people who did this, and believed they were doing ministry.

I have no idea how they got regular people to do that genocide.

The most I understood is they were first told the camps were just for
labor, for people to earn their room and board, and later the camps
turned into prisons for torturing and executing people. But they were
first set up under the premise that it wasn't anything to be afraid of.
So people agreed to help set them up and run them, before they found out what
the agenda really was. then they would be killed if they didn't go along with it, after it was too late to stop it.

What I understand of why so many people followed Hitler
and some thought he was a hero:
1. some people were forced, they would either be killed or have their family killed.
so this is like how innocent Muslims are killed off and their famlies raped and murdered
if they don't let the Jihadist take over.
2. Hitler rose at a time the country was devasted by poverty crime and mobs after the war.
there was so much chaos, people were more afraid of mobs in the street
and were glad when Hitler rose and used force to clean up the streets and impose strong armed govt.
many people depended on that part because the country was a huge mess.
He took advantage of the fear and oppression and used that to rise to power
so he could abuse it to commit mass abuses, genocide, etc.

irosie I understand this genocide in terms of politics.

When I read the religious teachings, the GOAL is peaceful, to live by higher spiritual laws.

All this talk of killing the enemy is from the military wars in history,
and are not the permanent longterm message that we are supposed to live by God.

So I do not even understand anything else
about "nazi propaganda" unless you explain it to me.

I would prefer to work with you and anyone else to STOP
any such propaganda that causes such harm.

Can you please explain what you mean by
1. nazi propaganda
2. interfaith monotheism

I will probably agree with you we need to stop the harm caused by false teaching.
But maybe my ideas on solutions are different because of successful methods and approaches I have seen people use to teach things the right way that works with people of all faiths,
and doesn't teach anything harmful, false or negative that would cause problems.

 

[irosie91]

Emily----how about you cut the B.S. I know you far better than you know me----
I,, VERY MUCH , resent you offer of sympathy for my "pain and suffering"----
I did not suggest to you that I experienced pain and suffering but I can see
how that ploy could work for you on some idiots
HOUSTON---is that Texas? oh good---now I know you better----
the AA meeting I was forced to monitor included mostly Texans----now
those poor kids saw suffering-------alcoholic parents and idiot Texan
notions

how about you cut the BS------I am very familiar with the MONOTHEISM FOR
ALL movement------it is Nazi shit------

Getting back to YOU------since I grew up in a Nazi town (on the east coast of
the USA) I read your literature as a very young child----it was scattered
here and there amongst the empty beer bottles and "pints"-------you are
quoting Nazi propaganda. I have an excellent memory for anything I read---
even stuff I read at age ten (ps---that was more than 50 years ago)

???

Dear irosie91: If you know me, after only reading a few of my posts,
you are well ahead of my family and friends, who have taken 10, 20, 40 years
and we're still working on understanding each other, Congratulations on being psychic.

What you missed is that I was brought up secular gentile
by Vietnamese Buddhist parents, and am a Constitutionalist.
I believe the Constitutional principles such as due process and equal protections
are based on natural laws given by God, so I take it upon myself to respect
and protect the free exercise of all religions by resolving any conflict between them
so there is no imposition or exclusion of anyone. I believe in Consensus on law through Christ
by redressing grievances and correction/restitution for wrongs until all debts/damages are resolved and agreement is reached to restore peace and justice for all. (see also Matthew 18:15-20)

I am not Christian by culture, and to me it is like a second language.
I struggle with it so much, I should take it as a compliment that you
see me as a native Christian and call this my literature. I am more comfortable with secular or Constitutional terms that appeal to more people as a common language.

I understand it from a secular perspective, what connects me with
Christians and also Jewish and Muslims is that we all receive the spirit of Christ
so we are joined by conscience.

The anger and indignance in your words tells me you hold strong convictions
because of the genocides you have seen in the name of these religions.

So I see that you have awareness and emotions connected with this suffering.

Sorry if this offends you.

You do not offend me even though you make assumptions about me,
because I tried to explain the meaning I see in the Bible
and because I am in Houston Texas.

I look forward to getting to know you better
so I can better understand where you are coming from.

Thank you so much and I do apologize for anything
I said that came across wrong, offensive, assuming things or whatever
you see as faulty or false.

I do believe in correcting my mistakes and thank you in advance
for that opportunity. I hope in the process this may relieve and heal
any negative reaction or insult I caused unintentionally. My apologies
for that, as I only have the best intent of reaching an agreement with
you as to what is going on with these religions and how to fix the problems.

Yours truly,
Emily

I do not believe you------you are disingenuous . Your comment upon my being
"PSYCHIC" is cynical and vulgar. Your comments on the bible do suggest you
never read it------what you have read is Nazi propaganda

Dear irosie you are the one who said you knew me better already.
So why did you say that unless you thought you were psychic?

Are you okay, irosie?

Were you being sarcastic when you said you knew me?
If so, I apologize for not reading your sarcasm
and replying that way.

I thought you were trying to be smart or clever with me
so I tried to respond likewise.

Sorry I misunderstood!

Why don't you believe my background?
I believe yours. I don't understand.
sorry!

BTW. I have never read Nazi propaganda.
My friends who are Jewish do not reject Christianity and my friends who are Christian do not reject Jews. I know one Muslim who doesnt think Christians are teaching the truth. The others I know are fine with Jewish and Christian and have no such issues.

Irosie can you pls explain what you mean by Nazi propaganda?

cut the BS Emily. I know you by your posts only-----and the fact that
your posts include Nazi propaganda with which I am very familiar having
read it in my childhood. I also know that you are either very ignorant or
a liar. Does the term INTERFAITH MONOTHEISM mean anything to
you?

No, but my friend Olivia, the one I told you about who embraces Christ as part of her Jewish outreach
to the community has WARNED me she cannot work with the "interfaith" groups that she says are teaching it falsely.

I don't know what this is, but I have heard from her, too, it is to be avoided,
from one of the people I trust most is correctly unifying Jewish and Christian
and others through the nonprofit outreach her charity provides for all communities.

Can you explain what this is because now I am hearing the same thing
from you I think my friend Olivia must have been trying to warn me about, too.

As for Nazi propaganda, even Peter Loth (the Holocaust survivor who teaches
Jewish Christian outreach to stop abuses by teaching healing through forgiveness)
showed video footage of Nazi camp administrators stopping their operations to
take a break and to sing Bible hymnals just like a Christian choir. So he shows
these were normal people who did this, and believed they were doing ministry.

I have no idea how they got regular people to do that genocide.

The most I understood is they were first told the camps were just for
labor, for people to earn their room and board, and later the camps
turned into prisons for torturing and executing people. But they were
first set up under the premise that it wasn't anything to be afraid of.
So people agreed to help set them up and run them, before they found out what
the agenda really was. then they would be killed if they didn't go along with it, after it was too late to stop it.

What I understand of why so many people followed Hitler
and some thought he was a hero:
1. some people were forced, they would either be killed or have their family killed.
so this is like how innocent Muslims are killed off and their famlies raped and murdered
if they don't let the Jihadist take over.
2. Hitler rose at a time the country was devasted by poverty crime and mobs after the war.
there was so much chaos, people were more afraid of mobs in the street
and were glad when Hitler rose and used force to clean up the streets and impose strong armed govt.
many people depended on that part because the country was a huge mess.
He took advantage of the fear and oppression and used that to rise to power
so he could abuse it to commit mass abuses, genocide, etc.

irosie I understand this genocide in terms of politics.

When I read the religious teachings, the GOAL is peaceful, to live by higher spiritual laws.

All this talk of killing the enemy is from the military wars in history,
and are not the permanent longterm message that we are supposed to live by God.

So I do not even understand anything else
about "nazi propaganda" unless you explain it to me.

I would like to with you and anyone else to STOP
any such propaganda that causes such harm.

Can you please explain what you mean by
1. nazi propaganda
2. interfaith monotheism

I will probably agree with you we need to stop the harm caused by false teaching.
But maybe my ideas on solutions are different because of successful methods and approaches I have seen people use.

Emily----did you grow up in Texas?

 

[irosie91]

are you trying to be stupid Emily?-----some Nazi guards singing songs
they have known from childhood somehow indicates to you that they
thought they were "doing ministry"? or that they had no idea
that they were involved in a genocide? ----well----actually both are true---
they were doing the Christian Nazi equivalent of yelling allahuakbaaar whilst
slitting throats. ----------lots of nuns squealed with delight during the AUTO DE FE
picnics of the Inquisition

 

[Avatar4321]

That's not surprising to me. But I want to see what he says. Only way to find out is for him to answer

you are damned optimistic-------

it isn't a matter of optimism. It's a matter of determining accurately the person in talking to

 

[emilynghiem]

are you trying to be stupid Emily?-----some Nazi guards singing songs
they have known from childhood somehow indicates to you that they
thought they were "doing ministry"? or that they had no idea
that they were involved in a genocide? ----well----actually both are true---
they were doing the Christian Nazi equivalent of yelling allahuakbaaar whilst
slitting throats. ----------lots of nuns squealed with delight during the AUTO DE FE
picnics of the Inquisition

Yes, the Jihadists really believe they are doing the will of God when they commit suicidal and homicidal bombings.
they believe they are doing that for God's glory. That is why it is so infuriating and tragic at the same time.

I see photos of the Nazi camp administrators taking a group photo on a bridge, smiling at the camera
as people at work, like people at BP who are told to keep doing their jobs, or people at Enron.
They just march along believing they are doing the best they can, even if it means destruction to others.

it is totally tragic irosie.

Now, I want to make it clear to you, I oppose this genocide.
I oppose any kind of oppression and harm caused to others, whether by religion or politics or whatever
people abuse to do these wrongful destructive acts.

That is not why I am trying to explain it in detail, it is NOT to justify it but the opposite: I am trying to understand
how these things happened so they can be prevented, step by step, before they escalate beyond the point of no return.

I don't agree or tolerate any form of political or religious abuse, irosie.
I believe in consent of the governed, so of course I am against all these wrongs as violating people's consent,
committing rapes, abuses, crimes, violence, theft, oppression, censorship, etc. against people's free will.

Totally wrong.

Because I believe in respecting people's consent, I have no tolerance for any abuse on any level.

That is why I try so hard to understand what went wrong from the very beginning, when the first
sign of abusive attitude could have been detected and corrected.

I believe rape, murder, genocide war can be stopped.

So yes, I was born and brought up in Texas.
I am fortunate to live in Houston, too, where people launch their own
businesses, nonprofits, campaigns, websites and set up schools or programs themselves.

So I learned from the people whose programs have proven to work to stop abuse and violence,
and to heal hurts and injustice so they don't repeat a second and third generation.

It seems you have heard bad things about Texas.
but there are also very good advantages, and I try to make the most of those
while fixing the problems we have.

I happen to live in a black historic district destroyed by corporate politics,
so I had to learn how to deal with corruption and abuses all around me,
and still focus on the people investing in solutions while everyone else sold us out.

I had to forgive all that, even forgive the people I was working with and trusted
who dumped debts on me they were supposed to help pay and never did.

So irosie just because I forgive the wrongs and abuses surrounding me,
yes in Houston Texas where I admit there is a lot of waste and corruption by our local govt,
does NOT mean I agree with it, or justify and enable it. I work very hard to invest in
corrections and standing up and speaking out against the wrongs, even writing up
proposals for how to correct the problems that have gone on for years.

Please do not mistake my willingness to work out solutions
for agreeing with the problems I oppose. Of course I am against
anything wrong, unjust and harmful to people. The reason I forgive
these wrongs is to clear my conscience of bitterness so I can better
understnad and work on solutions instead of collapsing or blowing up emotionally
as I have in the past over these wrongs going on for so long. that doesn't help.

Only working in positive ways to correct and prevent the problems is going to change them.

thanks irosie
I'm glad to know you care so much
that you are willing to fight the good fight

Good for you and I hope to be your ally
in the battles you take on to make a difference in the world

more power to you!
best wishes,
yours truly,
emily

 

[irosie91]

are you trying to be stupid Emily?-----some Nazi guards singing songs
they have known from childhood somehow indicates to you that they
thought they were "doing ministry"? or that they had no idea
that they were involved in a genocide? ----well----actually both are true---
they were doing the Christian Nazi equivalent of yelling allahuakbaaar whilst
slitting throats. ----------lots of nuns squealed with delight during the AUTO DE FE
picnics of the Inquisition

Yes, the Jihadists really believe they are doing the will of God when they commit suicidal and homicidal bombings.
they believe they are doing that for God's glory. That is why it is so infuriating and tragic at the same time.

I see photos of the Nazi camp administrators taking a group photo on a bridge, smiling at the camera
as people at work, like people at BP who are told to keep doing their jobs, or people at Enron.
They just march along believing they are doing the best they can, even if it means destruction to others.

it is totally tragic irosie.

Now, I want to make it clear to you, I oppose this genocide.
I oppose any kind of oppression and harm caused to others, whether by religion or politics or whatever
people abuse to do these wrongful destructive acts.

That is not why I am trying to explain it in detail, it is NOT to justify it but the opposite: I am trying to understand
how these things happened so they can be prevented, step by step, before they escalate beyond the point of no return.

I don't agree or tolerate any form of political or religious abuse, irosie.
I believe in consent of the governed, so of course I am against all these wrongs as violating people's consent,
committing rapes, abuses, crimes, violence, theft, oppression, censorship, etc. against people's free will.

Totally wrong.

Because I believe in respecting people's consent, I have no tolerance for any abuse on any level.

That is why I try so hard to understand what went wrong from the very beginning, when the first
sign of abusive attitude could have been detected and corrected.

I believe rape, murder, genocide war can be stopped.

So yes, I was born and brought up in Texas.
I am fortunate to live in Houston, too, where people launch their own
businesses, nonprofits, campaigns, websites and set up schools or programs themselves.

So I learned from the people whose programs have proven to work to stop abuse and violence,
and to heal hurts and injustice so they don't repeat a second and third generation.

It seems you have heard bad things about Texas.
but there are also very good advantages, and I try to make the most of those
while fixing the problems we have.

I happen to live in a black historic district destroyed by corporate politics,
so I had to learn how to deal with corruption and abuses all around me,
and still focus on the people investing in solutions while everyone else sold us out.

I had to forgive all that, even forgive the people I was working with and trusted
who dumped debts on me they were supposed to help pay and never did.

So irosie just because I forgive the wrongs and abuses surrounding me,
yes in Houston Texas where I admit there is a lot of waste and corruption by our local govt,
does NOT mean I agree with it, or justify and enable it. I work very hard to invest in
corrections and standing up and speaking out against the wrongs, even writing up
proposals for how to correct the problems that have gone on for years.

Please do not mistake my willingness to work out solutions
for agreeing with the problems I oppose. Of course I am against
anything wrong, unjust and harmful to people. The reason I forgive
these wrongs is to clear my conscience of bitterness so I can better
understnad and work on solutions instead of collapsing or blowing up emotionally
as I have in the past over these wrongs going on for so long. that doesn't help.

Only working in positive ways to correct and prevent the problems is going to change them.

thanks irosie
I'm glad to know you care so much
that you are willing to fight the good fight

Good for you and I hope to be your ally
in the battles you take on to make a difference in the world

more power to you!
best wishes,
yours truly,
emily

I am not impressed-------you are a nothing more than an islamo Nazi pig-----with
a FACADE

 

[emilynghiem]

are you trying to be stupid Emily?-----some Nazi guards singing songs
they have known from childhood somehow indicates to you that they
thought they were "doing ministry"? or that they had no idea
that they were involved in a genocide? ----well----actually both are true---
they were doing the Christian Nazi equivalent of yelling allahuakbaaar whilst
slitting throats. ----------lots of nuns squealed with delight during the AUTO DE FE
picnics of the Inquisition

Yes, the Jihadists really believe they are doing the will of God when they commit suicidal and homicidal bombings.
they believe they are doing that for God's glory. That is why it is so infuriating and tragic at the same time.

I see photos of the Nazi camp administrators taking a group photo on a bridge, smiling at the camera
as people at work, like people at BP who are told to keep doing their jobs, or people at Enron.
They just march along believing they are doing the best they can, even if it means destruction to others.

it is totally tragic irosie.

Now, I want to make it clear to you, I oppose this genocide.
I oppose any kind of oppression and harm caused to others, whether by religion or politics or whatever
people abuse to do these wrongful destructive acts.

That is not why I am trying to explain it in detail, it is NOT to justify it but the opposite: I am trying to understand
how these things happened so they can be prevented, step by step, before they escalate beyond the point of no return.

I don't agree or tolerate any form of political or religious abuse, irosie.
I believe in consent of the governed, so of course I am against all these wrongs as violating people's consent,
committing rapes, abuses, crimes, violence, theft, oppression, censorship, etc. against people's free will.

Totally wrong.

Because I believe in respecting people's consent, I have no tolerance for any abuse on any level.

That is why I try so hard to understand what went wrong from the very beginning, when the first
sign of abusive attitude could have been detected and corrected.

I believe rape, murder, genocide war can be stopped.

So yes, I was born and brought up in Texas.
I am fortunate to live in Houston, too, where people launch their own
businesses, nonprofits, campaigns, websites and set up schools or programs themselves.

So I learned from the people whose programs have proven to work to stop abuse and violence,
and to heal hurts and injustice so they don't repeat a second and third generation.

It seems you have heard bad things about Texas.
but there are also very good advantages, and I try to make the most of those
while fixing the problems we have.

I happen to live in a black historic district destroyed by corporate politics,
so I had to learn how to deal with corruption and abuses all around me,
and still focus on the people investing in solutions while everyone else sold us out.

I had to forgive all that, even forgive the people I was working with and trusted
who dumped debts on me they were supposed to help pay and never did.

So irosie just because I forgive the wrongs and abuses surrounding me,
yes in Houston Texas where I admit there is a lot of waste and corruption by our local govt,
does NOT mean I agree with it, or justify and enable it. I work very hard to invest in
corrections and standing up and speaking out against the wrongs, even writing up
proposals for how to correct the problems that have gone on for years.

Please do not mistake my willingness to work out solutions
for agreeing with the problems I oppose. Of course I am against
anything wrong, unjust and harmful to people. The reason I forgive
these wrongs is to clear my conscience of bitterness so I can better
understnad and work on solutions instead of collapsing or blowing up emotionally
as I have in the past over these wrongs going on for so long. that doesn't help.

Only working in positive ways to correct and prevent the problems is going to change them.

thanks irosie
I'm glad to know you care so much
that you are willing to fight the good fight

Good for you and I hope to be your ally
in the battles you take on to make a difference in the world

more power to you!
best wishes,
yours truly,
emily

I am not impressed-------you are a nothing more than an islamo Nazi pig-----with
a FACADE

I am not islamic and not nazi or fascist.
I am messy like a pig, my bf and family can attest to that.

But no, I do not believe in forcing any religion on people by coercion.
I believe in respecting people's own faith and beliefs, including atheism,
including opposing views so that people can mediate to resolve conflicts by consensus of all parties.

irosie i have been online for many years, posting my Constitutional
beliefs about isonomy, and my beliefs in Universal inclusion and salvation.
Here are summaries of my beliefs that have been posted since 1999-2009:
http www.houstonprogressive.org
ethics-commission.net
http www.houstonprogressive.org
Some friends do not believe I am a Democrat, but I've never been accused of
being islamic, that is a new one.

irosie if you can find ONE Muslim or ONE Nazi
who believes in Constitutional equal protections of all religions,
then maybe you can find a way to make that label fit my beliefs.

The closest labels I have found for what I believe are
* Constitutionalism
* Isonomy or Isocracy
* Universal Salvation

No, I have not found Nazi's who believe in these things, have you?

I agree with you I am a pig when it comes to making messes in my car and room.
I work two jobs because of debts I racked up trying to help friends with nonprofit
groups to save poor communities from losing their centers and programs during the recession.

so I don't have time to clean up my stuff and yes it looks like a pig's sty.
you are right on that point but not the others.

 

[Muslim75]

Dear Muslim75: Thank you for your honest answer.

Thank you.

"In the name of God, the Most Merciful, the Great Merciful" means whatever we do, we do it with the help of God Almighty and only thanks to the help of God Almighty.

have you read the bible?

I told you already, I don't wish to.

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear Muslim75: Thank you for your honest answer.

Thank you.

"In the name of God, the Most Merciful, the Great Merciful" means whatever we do, we do it with the help of God Almighty and only thanks to the help of God Almighty.

have you read the bible?

I told you already, I don't wish to.

Thank you, Muslim75.

If you do not relate to the Bible,
then I suggest that you can connect with others
through studying Constitutional laws and principles,
and that is another way that works. As long as people
agree to respect each other as equals, we can share
freely and learn more from each other that way.

Are you more inclined to discuss universal principles such as
* consent of the governed
* free exercise of religion and equal protections of law for all beliefs
* freedom of speech and of the press (either media, or writing laws
or even discussing things online is using communication freely for peaceful means)
* right to assemble and to petition for redress of grievances
"due process" or democratic process
* conflict resolution to reach agreement or consensus instead of bullying or coercion

Do any of these issues appeal to you?

Do you have any opinions or concerns about any of the
political or religious conflicts you see people discussing or debating.

Do you have ideas on solutions you would like to share with more people?

Thank you, Muslim75
And yes I do believe in doing all things by God's will:
if we can agree point by point what is the greater good,
then we can establish God's truth and will and work together to achieve that.
I believe this is what it means to form agreements in Christ or by Conscience.
And whenever two or three agree on this level it is done collectively by God on a greater scale.
This is one of my favorite Bible Scriptures: Matthew 18:15-20
the closest Constitutional equivalent is to assemble and petition to redress grievances,
so I believe in doing this to reach a consensus by resolving conflicts peaceably
this is both a Christian and Constitutional concept, so if people do not relate
to the Bible, they can still practice democratic due process by the Bill of Rights which a lot of people understand and respect. I was also told that Mohammad taught democratic principles, and laid out points for them. This includes religious freedom or "no compulsion in religion". So we actually share more in common with natural laws of democracy that Mohammad also taught. Somehow this gets lost in religious debates, so maybe we would make more progress by focusing on the democratic laws of government taught using both Constitutional laws and teachings or principles of Mohammad that also respect the same Natural Laws from God.