Benjamin Netanyahu talks back.

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    Israel bucks U.S. demands
    Says it won't halt plans for apartments in E. Jerusalem

    Staff writer Jeffrey Fleishman reported from Cairo; Batsheva Sobelman is a special correspondent. | Tribune Newspapers
    July 20, 2009

    JERUSALEM - -- Calling Israel's sovereignty over Jerusalem indisputable, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday rejected U.S. demands to stop plans to build 20 Jewish-owned apartments in the eastern part of the city that Palestinians regard as key to their future state.
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    Israel bucks U.S. demands -- chicagotribune.com


    If the United States is to make any progress in the middle east we must enforce the following so the Zealots of both sides can't haggle:

    UN General Assembly resolution 303 reiterated the UN commitment to internationalization of Jerusalem, and designated it a "corpus separatum" - separate body. Under the original partition plan of 1947 (GA resolution 181), Jerusalem was to have been administered under UN sovereignty as an international city.

    Perhaps the UN resolutions that the United States wants to enforce are those that please the Zionists only. I hope I am wrong!:eusa_whistle:
     
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    Pull US foreign aid to Israel.

    Long over due.
     
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    I agree.

    This is a decade out of date but I doubt the reality has changed that much: WRMEA: U.S. Aid to Israel

    Israel is not a third world country.
     
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    The UNGA has jurisdiction only over internal matters of the UN. When GA 181 was passed, the area west of the Jordan River was still a UN protectorate and that's why 181 had force, but 181 also dissolved UN jurisdiction over the area so any UNGA resolution since then is no more than a statement of opinion. The SC has jurisdiction only over matters between member states unless there is concern over egregious actions such as genocide, which is why the Arabs cry, GENOCIDE!!!, every time a Palestinian skins his knee.

    So much for the UN, which has played a critical role in perpetuating this conflict and the suffering it has caused on both sides for generations.

    Obama's position on settlement construction makes no sense. He announced that he wanted a freeze on settlement construction now and a final status agreement within two years, but according to Abbas, Obama doesn't want peace talks to resume until the construction freeze is implemented. A final status agreement would settle all issues concerning where Israel could build, so whatever Israel might build now would have little or no effect on a final status agreement, including borders, that would be completed in two years.

    Now America is seen by many in the ME as the only country that can bring about a Palestinian state because of its perceived influence over Israel, but in Israel, Obama's positions are seen as being blatantly pro Palestinian and as a result, a recent poll showed only 6% of Israelis trusted Obama to be fair and even handed in mediating peace talks, and more Israelis support continuing the construction in the settlements even if it means a break with the US than oppose it. No previous US president, not even Carter or Eisenhower, has inspired so much distrust among Israelis, and it is safe to say no other US president has had so little influence on Israeli policy or opinion and thus, so little influence over the outcome of this dispute.
     
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    Obama to Israel: Stop building in Jerusalem!

    Israel to Obama: You give Oklahoma back to the Indians and SoCal back to the Mexicans and then we'll talk. Until then, shut your fucking piehole cause you're really not helping.
     
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    ahh.. so, manifest destiny is OK when JEWS do it. gotcha.
     
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    No, not much has changed. Israel is one of the wealthiest nations in the world. Why we continue to send them billions in aid is a mystery. They won't be our friends if we don't give them money?
     
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    no, it would clearly be joo hating antisemitism.
     
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    Current US aid to Israel consists almost entirely of a little less than $2.5 billion in credits to buy military hardware from US companies, creating tens of thousands of US jobs and much needed tax revenues to state and local governments. It is important to remember that not one penny of this money ever leaves the US economy but only circulates through it creating jobs and tax revenues. Israeli companies already manufacture and export much of what Israel buys from US companies because of the credits, and what Israeli companies don't already manufacture, they would soon learn to if US policy created a market for it. It is debatable whether Israel would be hurt more by losing a few billion in military credits or the US would be by losing tens of thousands of jobs.

    Moreover, it is naive to imagine that the threat of withdrawing the military credits would persuade Israel to alter its positions on issues it sees as vital to its interests. In fact, a withdrawal of US support or even the perception of it would most likely persuade the Israelis to take more hardline positions and to respond more aggressively to perceived provocations lest anyone think them more vulnerable with US support. Consider what happened in 1967. When Egypt and Syria massed their forces on Israel's borders and threatened war, the Israeli leadership, uncertain of their ability to withstand attacks from the larger and better armed Arab forces, dispatched a delegation to Washington to ask for an American declaration that if Israel was attacked the US would support it, but LBJ, although sympathetic, was bogged down in Vietnam and anxious about a possible confrontation in the ME with the USSR, and told them that US generals had studied the situation and decided Israel could win this war alone, so there was no need for such a US declaration. Without this promise of US support, the Israeli leadership decided it could not afford to wait for the Arabs to strike first and launched the Six Day War that captured the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights.

    At first glance it might seen that LBJ's decision led to a bad result, but when you consider that Israel's victory in this war and in 1973 stopped the advance of Soviet power and influence in the ME cold, and US support for Israel and Egypt in the 1979 peace treaty locked the Soviets out, it becomes clear that Israel has done more to advance US influence and to protect US vital interests than any other ally we have ever had, and we can only wish the Europeans or the Koreans or the Vietnamese had been able to perform so well with so little US aid as Israel has.
     
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    According to this report (in 2008) - it sounds like a lot more then that.


    Here's the summary portion: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

    Interesting - I wasn't aware of that - thanks! However...while Israel has long supported the U.S.'s interests and vice versa I think that is no longer strictly the case - particularly in regards to the longstanding issue of settlements.
     

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