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Had the Jews been armed they could have kept the nazi thugs from beating and destroying their shops.....and shown others that the nazis could be kept at bay.....but the savagry of the nazis wasn't stopped because no one had the power...the weapons.....to stop them from intimidating everyone.....moron.
You haven't been looking sickly boy. You only jump in on my post to slam Jews..Keep an eye outI also regularly defend Christians being slammed by fake, and leftist Jews. Like said, keep an an eye out. Try to look past your irrational Jew hatred
Yes....the anti gun extremists here think it was far better to quietly board the trains...with your wife and children.....than to resist..........
who? I'm not paid to be on this board sickly boy. I actually have to workYou haven't been looking sickly boy. You only jump in on my post to slam Jews..Keep an eye out
So where's the post where you called out a right wing racist like Ernie or DannyBoys for making overtly racist comments?
Oh, that's right, you were too busy whining about how Jews are being picked on.
Dr Ben Carson is right. Had the Jews been armed, they would have had a fighting chance. The Warsaw rebellion and a number of Jews fighting with the partisans show what they could have done. Armed Jews wouldn't have prevented the Hollocost, but they would have made murder more costly for the Germans.
The Anti-Defamation League says these sorts of comments are "historically inaccurate and offensive."
Ben Carson, a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, blamed the Holocaust on Nazi gun control in an interview on CNN Thursday.
Host Wolf Blitzer read a section from Carson's book, A More Perfect Union, in which Carson writes:
German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler's regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior ... Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.
"I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed," Carson elaborated in the interview. "There's a reason these dictatorial people take the guns first."
The Anti-Defamation League, which monitors and responds to anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry, has long opposed the use of Nazi comparisons in the U.S. gun control debate. "The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families," Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director at the time, said in 2013.
Conservatives have a history of comparing gun control advocates to Hitler and the Nazis. The ADL's 2013 comments were provoked by The Drudge Report's choice to use an image of Hitler to illustrate news that President Barack Obama was pursuing limited gun control measures after 20 first-graders and six school staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, were murdered by a gunman.
Many historians disagree with the idea that armed German Jews could have prevented the Holocaust. And as Alex Seitz-Wald, a journalist then writing for Salon, explained in 2013, the full story of Nazi gun regulation is more complicated than Carson and his ilk might like:
University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them....
[Hitler's] "1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.
The 1938 law did ban Jews from owning guns. But as the ADL explained in 2013, "the small number of personal firearms in the hands of the small number of Germany’s Jews (about 214,000) remaining in Germany in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state," which eventually conquered most of Europe.
There was some armed Jewish resistance to the power of the Nazi war machine. But it often ended in death for the Jews involved.
In January 1943, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto rose up against the Nazis. Some 13,000 Jews died in the uprising. (They killed around 20 Nazis.) The rest were deported to concentration and extermination camps, where most were murdered.
My grandfather and grandmother had escaped from the ghetto before the uprising and gone into hiding in the countryside. They survived.
More: Ben Carson Blames Holocaust On Gun Control
Ben Carson should learn some factual history.
who? I'm not paid to be on this board sickly boy. I actually have to work
Sorry...wrong again........
And in all the genocide...and mass murders by governments, they all have the same thing in common, the victims are unarmed and defenseless...
why would the Germans invade Switzerland, a country that was Aryan and didn't have any Jews?
There was no reason to invade Switzerland, they already had it surrounded.
Hey, I'd have no problem if we had gun laws like the Swiss. But I don't think you NRA types would like it.
snopes.com: FALSE: Gun Ownership and Homicides in Honduras vs. Switzerland
The "gun in every closet" tradition was challenged in 2001, after a disgruntled citizen opened fire with his army rifle inside a regional parliament, killing 14 and injuring 14 others. The subsequent opposition to widespread gun ownership spearheaded a push for stricter arms legislation. The government and pro-gun groups argued, however, that the country's existing laws regulating the sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on carrying concealed weapons, are stringent enough. The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased.
The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.
hilter hated Switzerland....moron....
THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS
Winston Churchill wrote in 1944: "Of all the neutrals Switzerland has the greatest right to distinction...She has been a democratic State, standing for freedom in self-defense among her mountains, and in thought, in spite of race, largely on our side."
That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"
The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot.
who? I'm not paid to be on this board sickly boy. I actually have to work
Nice evasion. Kind of like how you Jews insist you didn't instigate the Iraq War.
so you really don't denounce real racists. You just whine "Why do you hate me?" when you advocate an Apartheid state murdering brown children.
Sorry...wrong again........
And in all the genocide...and mass murders by governments, they all have the same thing in common, the victims are unarmed and defenseless...
why would the Germans invade Switzerland, a country that was Aryan and didn't have any Jews?
There was no reason to invade Switzerland, they already had it surrounded.
Hey, I'd have no problem if we had gun laws like the Swiss. But I don't think you NRA types would like it.
snopes.com: FALSE: Gun Ownership and Homicides in Honduras vs. Switzerland
The "gun in every closet" tradition was challenged in 2001, after a disgruntled citizen opened fire with his army rifle inside a regional parliament, killing 14 and injuring 14 others. The subsequent opposition to widespread gun ownership spearheaded a push for stricter arms legislation. The government and pro-gun groups argued, however, that the country's existing laws regulating the sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on carrying concealed weapons, are stringent enough. The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased.
The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.
hilter hated Switzerland....moron....
THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS
Winston Churchill wrote in 1944: "Of all the neutrals Switzerland has the greatest right to distinction...She has been a democratic State, standing for freedom in self-defense among her mountains, and in thought, in spite of race, largely on our side."
That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"
The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot.
Switzerland capitulated to Hitler, were of little military value and served a useful purpose in laundering the billions of dollars being accumulated by the Nazis
The French were armed in 1940.
Yes....the anti gun extremists here think it was far better to quietly board the trains...with your wife and children.....than to resist..........
If resisting gets you killed that much faster, maybe.
Again- after the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which killed a whopping 17 Germans, 71,000 Jews and Poles were either killed or sent off to the camps to be killed.
Or as they used to say to us in Basic training - Don't shoot a tank with your rifle, you won't stop him, you'll just piss him off.
Had the Jews been armed they could have kept the nazi thugs from beating and destroying their shops.....and shown others that the nazis could be kept at bay.....but the savagry of the nazis wasn't stopped because no one had the power...the weapons.....to stop them from intimidating everyone.....moron.
I think you are a little confused. Public reaction to Krystalnacht was largely negative because the Jews were helpless. As a result, the Nazis did most of what they did in secret from then on out.
If some poor hapless German had been shot by a Jewish shopkeeper, I don't think Goebbels would have passed that one up. That guy would have been "Hero of the Fatherland!"
Dr Ben Carson is right. Had the Jews been armed, they would have had a fighting chance. The Warsaw rebellion and a number of Jews fighting with the partisans show what they could have done. Armed Jews wouldn't have prevented the Hollocost, but they would have made murder more costly for the Germans.
Okay, let's look at that.
Warsaw Ghetto Uprising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Casualties and losses
Germans: At least 17 killed, 93 wounded (German figures)
Jews and Poles: About 13,000 killed, 56,885 deported, mostly civilians (German estimate)
So the end result was you killed a whopping 17 Germans wh ile some 70,000 Poles and Jews were either killed in the uprising or went on to exterminated in the concentration camp.
Boy, they showed them, didn't they?
And that doesn't explain why he didn't just invade them as he did the entire rest of Europe………I guess he just decided he didn't want to invade and occupy the only hold out….really?
Had all the Jewish shopkeepers been armed there wouldn't have been a krystalnacht…..just like the stores in Ferguson with the guards with the AR-15 weren't looted and burned……….moron.
