Ben Carson Blames Holocaust On Gun Control

[2aguy]

You should probably tell that to the Iraqis and the Afghanis.....they just sort of drove us out....with small arms and bombs......you know...the U.S. the most advanced military on the face of the planet..........boy, you guys are stupid.

It comes down to...is it worth it?

We never should have been in either country

That has nothing to do with the point.....are we, the country with the most advanced military on earth leaving two countries whose people fought us off with small arms and improvised bombs?...easy question spiffy......

Occupying force that wants to be treated as liberators

Are we leaving or staying? Do we have the most powerful, best equiped and trained military in the world? Are we leaving after fighting people armed with rifles, pistols and improvised bombs?


I know you are slow...so I will just give you the answers...yes, yes, and yes.

Let's stay on topic

The question is could armed Jews have held off the Nazis?
The Nazis were willing to give up millions of deaths and would inflict retribution not just on the assassin but the whole community. So NO the Jews would not have held off the extermination

The U.S. Was not in the same boat in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Our public was not willing to accept the casualties we took. We were sold an occupation

First.....did the Jews have any weapons to begin with....no....they were as a people unarmed in every single country that was occupied by the Germans. So resisting was not possible.

Second, what about the rest of the people in those countries, they were occupied too, were they unarmed? Yes, they didn't have weapons either.

So, the one thing we know, that every people that suffers mass murder and genocide at the hands of their government are unarmed, usually disarmed by the very government that commits the genocide and mass murder.

History has one distinct lesson....unarmed people are easily slaughtered by their governments when their governments go bad.

That is why we have the 2nd Amendment...so that the temptation in the future to attack our people would be too costly for anyone in power.....that is why we do not plan on surrendering our weapons. Are we facing anything like they have in the past...no. Can we guarantee that it will never happen in the future? No. It is not our place to disarm future Americans just because we are fortunate to live in peaceful times.

And as to the Jews being armed.....it would have been much harder for the Germans to consolidate their early power if the Jews and other political enemies of the nazis had been armed. It is hard to beat, and murder people if they can fight back....an armed society is a civil society....Germany was an unarmed society...except for the barbarians...they had the guns......

And in those countries that were occupied....had hundereds of thousands of their people been well armed, the occupation of those countries would have been extremely difficult....as we have found against the barbarians in Iraq and Afghanistan......and Germany occupied a lot of territory.

And to the brutality of the nazis......it is easy to be brutal when the people you are murdering are unarmed.

We have seen how it works when the people have no weapons.........and you know what.....we would like to try the other option and see how that works out........

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Pledge adopted in 1942 ....

Ben Carson: Pledge of Allegiance and other ‘founding documents’ prove America is a Christian nation

 

[Flash]

It comes down to...is it worth it?

We never should have been in either country

That has nothing to do with the point.....are we, the country with the most advanced military on earth leaving two countries whose people fought us off with small arms and improvised bombs?...easy question spiffy......

Occupying force that wants to be treated as liberators

Are we leaving or staying? Do we have the most powerful, best equiped and trained military in the world? Are we leaving after fighting people armed with rifles, pistols and improvised bombs?


I know you are slow...so I will just give you the answers...yes, yes, and yes.

Let's stay on topic

The question is could armed Jews have held off the Nazis?
The Nazis were willing to give up millions of deaths and would inflict retribution not just on the assassin but the whole community. So NO the Jews would not have held off the extermination

The U.S. Was not in the same boat in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Our public was not willing to accept the casualties we took. We were sold an occupation

First.....did the Jews have any weapons to begin with....no....they were as a people unarmed in every single country that was occupied by the Germans. So resisting was not possible.

Second, what about the rest of the people in those countries, they were occupied too, were they unarmed? Yes, they didn't have weapons either.

So, the one thing we know, that every people that suffers mass murder and genocide at the hands of their government are unarmed, usually disarmed by the very government that commits the genocide and mass murder.

History has one distinct lesson....unarmed people are easily slaughtered by their governments when their governments go bad.

That is why we have the 2nd Amendment...so that the temptation in the future to attack our people would be too costly for anyone in power.....that is why we do not plan on surrendering our weapons. Are we facing anything like they have in the past...no. Can we guarantee that it will never happen in the future? No. It is not our place to disarm future Americans just because we are fortunate to live in peaceful times.

And as to the Jews being armed.....it would have been much harder for the Germans to consolidate their early power if the Jews and other political enemies of the nazis had been armed. It is hard to beat, and murder people if they can fight back....an armed society is a civil society....Germany was an unarmed society...except for the barbarians...they had the guns......

And in those countries that were occupied....had hundereds of thousands of their people been well armed, the occupation of those countries would have been extremely difficult....as we have found against the barbarians in Iraq and Afghanistan......and Germany occupied a lot of territory.

And to the brutality of the nazis......it is easy to be brutal when the people you are murdering are unarmed.

We have seen how it works when the people have no weapons.........and you know what.....we would like to try the other option and see how that works out........

These Moon Bats simply hates the idea that the people should have the right to defend themselves from the government. They love government and think everybody should always succumb to the will of the state.

 

[2aguy]

Dipstick......the people were unarmed..so when hitler rolled over their militaries the civilians were helpless....

they had plenty of weapons. The Germans had more and were better trained. The Poles were attacking tanks from horseback. That was why they lost.

Funny, that dynamic happened in country after country....all throughout Europe.....complete civilian disarmament before the invaasion and then...whamo......the civilians are easily murdered by the invaders.....gee fucking whiz...what a fucking coincidence.......country after country, the people are disarmed and are easily rounded up and sent to the death camps......

Can you actually document that, because you keep claiming that this 'disarmerment" of civilians happened, but you have yet to cite a law that was passed that did this.

Tank beats rifle. Every time.

No...mass murders happen when progressives take over a country.....Russia, China, Cambodia...and then they start murdering the people so they can create a new society....

I think you are a little confused. First, "Progressive" doesn't mean what you think it means. Second, you keep forgetting that all these "massacres" happen one side wins a long-term civil war. Humanity had already been devalued by idiots with guns. Russia had fought WWI and then a civil War and a War against Poland.

China had been fighting a civil war since the 1920's and were invaded by Japan.

Cambodia had been ruthlessly bombed by the United States and the US toppled their legitimate government and put up a puppet regime that went along with it.

That's why citizens of the society - not progressives - murdered the shit out of their neighbors.

No, they didn't have weapons of the quantity needed by civilians to keep up a real resistance to the nazis after their military forces were beaten......

And here is what a small group of Jews was able to do in Poland....with a small number of weapons...then imagine an entire country with enough weapons to put up a real fight....

Armed Resistance to the Holocaust

In late 1942, Emmanuel Ringelblum, the well-educated author of a diary about life in the Warsaw Ghetto, wrote:

Whomever you talk to, you hear the same cry: The resettlement never should have been permitted. We should have run into the street, set fire to everything in sight, have torn down the walls, and escaped to the Other Side. The Germans would have taken their revenge. It would have cost tens of thousands of lives, but not 300,000. Now we are ashamed of ourselves, disgraced in our own eyes, and in the eyes of the world, where our docility has earned us nothing. This must not be repeated now. We must put up a resistance, defend ourselves against the enemy, man and child.[9]

On January 18, 1943, the Germans rounded up seven thousand Jews and sent them to the extermination camp at Treblinka; they killed six hundred more Jews right in Warsaw. But on that day, an uprising began. In the beginning, the Jewish Fighting Organization had about 600 volunteers; the Jewish Military Association had about 400, and there were thousands more in spontaneous small groups.[10]

The Jews had only ten handguns, but the Germans did not realize how under-armed the Jewish fighters were.

After four days of fighting, the Germans on January 21 pulled back from the ghetto, to organize better. Another diary written in the Warsaw ghetto exulted:

In the four days of fighting we had made up for the same of Jewish passivity in the first extermination action of July, 1942.

Not only the Germans were shocked by the unexpected resistance, Jews too were astonished. They could not imagine until then that the beaten, exhausted victims could rise against a mighty enemy who had conquered all of Europe. Many Jews who were in the streets of Warsaw during the fighting refused to believe that on Zamenhof and Mila Streets Jewish boys and girls had attacked Germans.

The large-scale fighting which followed convinced all that it was possible.[11]

In February 1943, Polish Home Army transferred 50 revolvers (many of them defective), 50 hand grenades, and four pounds of explosives to the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto. The Warsaw Jews also manufactured their own explosives, including Molotov cocktails.

But, wrote Ringelblum, “their most potent weapon was their deep sense of national pride and responsibility.”[12]

On February 16, 1943, Heinrich Himmler ordered that the Warsaw ghetto be exterminated on April 19. The plan was to give Hitler a Judenrein Warsaw as a present for his April 20 birthday.

On that night of April 19, the Warsaw Jews partook of the Passover Seder. Since September 1939, they had eaten the bitter herbs of slavery. Now, they were drinking the wine of freedom.

The Nazi Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, wrote in his diary, “the joke cannot last much longer, but it shows what the Jews are capable of when they have arms in their hands.”[13]

The Nazis brought in tanks. The Jews were ready with explosives. First one tank and then a second were immobilized in the middle of the street, in flames, their crews burned alive.

Ringelblum recalled:

Now the fighters as well as the non-combatant Jews who have crawled out of their hiding places have reached the pinnacle of jubilation….According to one eyewitness account, “The faces who only yesterday reflected terror and despair now shone with an unusual joy which is difficult to describe. This was a joy free from all personal motives, a joy imbued with the pride that that ghetto was fighting.”

Another eyewitness describes the confusion in the German ranks: “There runs a German soldier shrieking like an insane one, the helmet on his head on fire. Another one shouts madly ‘Juden…Waffen…Juden… Waffen!’”[14] [Jews…weapons!]


Eventually, the Jewish forces began to run out of ammunition.[15]
The Warsaw Jews, like the Jews throughout Europe, were unable to produce their own ammunition. There was hardly any gun culture among European Jews of the 1930s, so few Jews had the equipment for “reloading”—the home manufacture of ammunition.

Stymied in house-to-house fighting, the Germans began to burn the ghetto to the ground on April 22. The Warsaw Ghetto fire was probably the largest urban fire in Europe since Nero’s fire in Rome.[16] On April 23, Himmler ordered SS Major General Jürgen Stroop to finish things quickly, and Stroop promised to complete his job that same day. But he could not.

A poster appeared in Warsaw that day in which the JFO assured the Christian Polish resistance that the Jews would never surrender.


The poster promised, “You have seen and will see that every doorstop in the ghetto is and will continue to be a fortress. We may all perish in the struggle but we shall not surrender….Long live the brotherhood of weapons and the blood of fighting Poland! Long live Freedom! Death to the murderous and criminal occupants.”[17]

On May 16, Stroop reported that the Jewish ghetto in Warsaw “no longer exists.” Himmler ordered a celebratory event: blowing up a beautiful large synagogue which had been built in 1877. The explosion could be felt all over Warsaw. Yet on that very day, Jewish fighters carried out more attacks in Warsaw. Fighting continued until July. Some Jews managed to hide in the ghetto until August 1944, when they joined the Polish uprising that month.[18] The Germans had suffered over a thousand casualties in the first week of fighting alone.[19]

The Warsaw Jews knew they had almost no chance of survival. They decided that it was better to die fighting than to die in a gas chamber.

It was better to kill at least some of the killers, than to let them massacre Jews with impunity. Ringelblum wrote, “We took stock of our position and saw that this was a struggle between a fly and an elephant. But our national dignity dictated to us that the Jews must offer resistance and not allow themselves to be led wantonly to slaughter.”[20]

Warsaw was the first mass civilian uprising against the Nazis anywhere in Europe. On April 23, the Jewish commander, 25-year-old Mordechai Anielevich, had written, “I have a feeling that great things are happening, that what we have undertaken is of tremendous significance.”[21] He was right.

Now imagine this kind of resistance......but with a well armed population......resistance like this in every city the nazis invaded........and then consider how long it would take for them to exterminate entire cities and the toll that would have had on the moral of the German forces and the leadership back home....you know, the ones who eventually tried to blow hitler up......

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Marx, Muslims, Nazis and the ‘missing link': Here are 16 of Ben Carson’s most asinine opinions

 

[Wildman]

When have Republicans cared about historical accuracy?

when demorats/liberfools started changing historical events to suit their agenda, just like commies have done for many, many years, come to think of it that is what your ilk have been doing for many, many years.

 

[guno]

The Anti-Defamation League says these sorts of comments are "historically inaccurate and offensive."

Ben Carson, a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, blamed the Holocaust on Nazi gun control in an interview on CNN Thursday.

Host Wolf Blitzer read a section from Carson's book, A More Perfect Union, in which Carson writes:

German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler's regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior ... Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.​

"I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed," Carson elaborated in the interview. "There's a reason these dictatorial people take the guns first."

The Anti-Defamation League, which monitors and responds to anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry, has long opposed the use of Nazi comparisons in the U.S. gun control debate. "The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families," Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director at the time, said in 2013.

Conservatives have a history of comparing gun control advocates to Hitler and the Nazis. The ADL's 2013 comments were provoked by The Drudge Report's choice to use an image of Hitler to illustrate news that President Barack Obama was pursuing limited gun control measures after 20 first-graders and six school staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, were murdered by a gunman.

Many historians disagree with the idea that armed German Jews could have prevented the Holocaust. And as Alex Seitz-Wald, a journalist then writing for Salon, explained in 2013, the full story of Nazi gun regulation is more complicated than Carson and his ilk might like:

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them....

[Hitler's] "1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.​

The 1938 law did ban Jews from owning guns. But as the ADL explained in 2013, "the small number of personal firearms in the hands of the small number of Germany’s Jews (about 214,000) remaining in Germany in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state," which eventually conquered most of Europe.

There was some armed Jewish resistance to the power of the Nazi war machine. But it often ended in death for the Jews involved.

In January 1943, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto rose up against the Nazis. Some 13,000 Jews died in the uprising. (They killed around 20 Nazis.) The rest were deported to concentration and extermination camps, where most were murdered.

My grandfather and grandmother had escaped from the ghetto before the uprising and gone into hiding in the countryside. They survived.

More: Ben Carson Blames Holocaust On Gun Control

Ben Carson should learn some factual history.

Carson is repeating dumb white goyim talking points


Carson’s outrageous and offensive claim is part of a long crescendo of pro-gun rhetoric that invokes Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. That theme, unlike Carson, is deeply rooted in the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association. And it is profoundly anti-Semitic, immoral and disgusting.

Here’s what Carson actually said: “The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed,” he told CNN on Thursday. Today, he doubled down, explaining that “Basically, what I said is when tyranny occurs traditionally around the world, they try to disarm the people first.”

On first blush, this statement fails the rules of rational political discourse in three ways. First, and perhaps this goes without saying, it is ludicrously false. If Jews in Nazi Germany had owned guns, they would have been rounded up, sent to labor camps, gassed and burned by an authoritarian regime with many more guns, and with the support of at least half the general population.

From the Jewish daily Forward

Why Ben Carson's Rant About Gun Control and the Holocaust Is So Dangerous - National

Ben Carson Blames Holocaust on Gun Control - Breaking News

 

[2aguy]

Sorry...wrong again........

And in all the genocide...and mass murders by governments, they all have the same thing in common, the victims are unarmed and defenseless...

why would the Germans invade Switzerland, a country that was Aryan and didn't have any Jews?

There was no reason to invade Switzerland, they already had it surrounded.

Hey, I'd have no problem if we had gun laws like the Swiss. But I don't think you NRA types would like it.

snopes.com: FALSE: Gun Ownership and Homicides in Honduras vs. Switzerland

The "gun in every closet" tradition was challenged in 2001, after a disgruntled citizen opened fire with his army rifle inside a regional parliament, killing 14 and injuring 14 others. The subsequent opposition to widespread gun ownership spearheaded a push for stricter arms legislation. The government and pro-gun groups argued, however, that the country's existing laws regulating the sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on carrying concealed weapons, are stringent enough. The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased.

The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.

hilter hated Switzerland....moron....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS

Winston Churchill wrote in 1944: "Of all the neutrals Switzerland has the greatest right to distinction...She has been a democratic State, standing for freedom in self-defense among her mountains, and in thought, in spite of race, largely on our side."



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot.

 

[2aguy]

The Anti-Defamation League says these sorts of comments are "historically inaccurate and offensive."

Ben Carson, a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, blamed the Holocaust on Nazi gun control in an interview on CNN Thursday.

Host Wolf Blitzer read a section from Carson's book, A More Perfect Union, in which Carson writes:

German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler's regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior ... Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.​

"I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed," Carson elaborated in the interview. "There's a reason these dictatorial people take the guns first."

The Anti-Defamation League, which monitors and responds to anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry, has long opposed the use of Nazi comparisons in the U.S. gun control debate. "The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families," Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director at the time, said in 2013.

Conservatives have a history of comparing gun control advocates to Hitler and the Nazis. The ADL's 2013 comments were provoked by The Drudge Report's choice to use an image of Hitler to illustrate news that President Barack Obama was pursuing limited gun control measures after 20 first-graders and six school staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, were murdered by a gunman.

Many historians disagree with the idea that armed German Jews could have prevented the Holocaust. And as Alex Seitz-Wald, a journalist then writing for Salon, explained in 2013, the full story of Nazi gun regulation is more complicated than Carson and his ilk might like:

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them....

[Hitler's] "1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.​

The 1938 law did ban Jews from owning guns. But as the ADL explained in 2013, "the small number of personal firearms in the hands of the small number of Germany’s Jews (about 214,000) remaining in Germany in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state," which eventually conquered most of Europe.

There was some armed Jewish resistance to the power of the Nazi war machine. But it often ended in death for the Jews involved.

In January 1943, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto rose up against the Nazis. Some 13,000 Jews died in the uprising. (They killed around 20 Nazis.) The rest were deported to concentration and extermination camps, where most were murdered.

My grandfather and grandmother had escaped from the ghetto before the uprising and gone into hiding in the countryside. They survived.

More: Ben Carson Blames Holocaust On Gun Control

Ben Carson should learn some factual history.

Carson is repeating dumb white goyim talking points


Carson’s outrageous and offensive claim is part of a long crescendo of pro-gun rhetoric that invokes Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. That theme, unlike Carson, is deeply rooted in the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association. And it is profoundly anti-Semitic, immoral and disgusting.

Here’s what Carson actually said: “The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed,” he told CNN on Thursday. Today, he doubled down, explaining that “Basically, what I said is when tyranny occurs traditionally around the world, they try to disarm the people first.”

On first blush, this statement fails the rules of rational political discourse in three ways. First, and perhaps this goes without saying, it is ludicrously false. If Jews in Nazi Germany had owned guns, they would have been rounded up, sent to labor camps, gassed and burned by an authoritarian regime with many more guns, and with the support of at least half the general population.



Why Ben Carson's Rant About Gun Control and the Holocaust Is So Dangerous - National

Ben Carson Blames Holocaust on Gun Control - Breaking News

Had the Jews been armed they could have kept the nazi thugs from beating and destroying their shops.....and shown others that the nazis could be kept at bay.....but the savagry of the nazis wasn't stopped because no one had the power...the weapons.....to stop them from intimidating everyone.....moron.

 

[guno]

The Anti-Defamation League says these sorts of comments are "historically inaccurate and offensive."

Ben Carson, a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, blamed the Holocaust on Nazi gun control in an interview on CNN Thursday.

Host Wolf Blitzer read a section from Carson's book, A More Perfect Union, in which Carson writes:

German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler's regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior ... Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.​

"I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed," Carson elaborated in the interview. "There's a reason these dictatorial people take the guns first."

The Anti-Defamation League, which monitors and responds to anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry, has long opposed the use of Nazi comparisons in the U.S. gun control debate. "The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families," Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director at the time, said in 2013.

Conservatives have a history of comparing gun control advocates to Hitler and the Nazis. The ADL's 2013 comments were provoked by The Drudge Report's choice to use an image of Hitler to illustrate news that President Barack Obama was pursuing limited gun control measures after 20 first-graders and six school staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, were murdered by a gunman.

Many historians disagree with the idea that armed German Jews could have prevented the Holocaust. And as Alex Seitz-Wald, a journalist then writing for Salon, explained in 2013, the full story of Nazi gun regulation is more complicated than Carson and his ilk might like:

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them....

[Hitler's] "1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.​

The 1938 law did ban Jews from owning guns. But as the ADL explained in 2013, "the small number of personal firearms in the hands of the small number of Germany’s Jews (about 214,000) remaining in Germany in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state," which eventually conquered most of Europe.

There was some armed Jewish resistance to the power of the Nazi war machine. But it often ended in death for the Jews involved.

In January 1943, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto rose up against the Nazis. Some 13,000 Jews died in the uprising. (They killed around 20 Nazis.) The rest were deported to concentration and extermination camps, where most were murdered.

My grandfather and grandmother had escaped from the ghetto before the uprising and gone into hiding in the countryside. They survived.

More: Ben Carson Blames Holocaust On Gun Control

Ben Carson should learn some factual history.

Carson is repeating dumb white goyim talking points


Carson’s outrageous and offensive claim is part of a long crescendo of pro-gun rhetoric that invokes Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. That theme, unlike Carson, is deeply rooted in the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association. And it is profoundly anti-Semitic, immoral and disgusting.

Here’s what Carson actually said: “The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed,” he told CNN on Thursday. Today, he doubled down, explaining that “Basically, what I said is when tyranny occurs traditionally around the world, they try to disarm the people first.”

On first blush, this statement fails the rules of rational political discourse in three ways. First, and perhaps this goes without saying, it is ludicrously false. If Jews in Nazi Germany had owned guns, they would have been rounded up, sent to labor camps, gassed and burned by an authoritarian regime with many more guns, and with the support of at least half the general population.



Why Ben Carson's Rant About Gun Control and the Holocaust Is So Dangerous - National

Ben Carson Blames Holocaust on Gun Control - Breaking News

Had the Jews been armed they could have kept the nazi thugs from beating and destroying their shops.....and shown others that the nazis could be kept at bay.....but the savagry of the nazis wasn't stopped because no one had the power...the weapons.....to stop them from intimidating everyone.....moron.

No surprise from a catholic goy spewing your antisemitic and delusional NRA talking points without knowing what they are talking about

Fox News Posts Anti-Semitic Screed Blaming Jews For Holocaust

In the piece, “Why Ben Carson is right about Jews, the Holocaust and guns,” Ablow argues that turning over their guns was tantamount to a mental defeat.

“The mindset that Jews surrendered with their guns is far more important than the hardware they turned over: They surrendered the demonstrated intention, at all costs, to resist being deprived of liberty,” Ablow writes. He also discloses that he has hosted a fundraiser for the candidate.

For all the world to see, dirty filthy NRA type goyim

Fox News Posts Anti-Semitic Screed Blaming Jews For Holocaust


Jonathan A. Greenblatt, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, responded in a statement that Carson “has a right to his views on gun control, but the notion that Hitler’s gun-control policy contributed to the Holocaust is historically inaccurate.” He added that “gun control did not cause the Holocaust; Nazism and anti-Semitism did.” Yes hitler the catholic and his band of filthy goyim caused the Holocaust

 

[Jroc]

I call out all the haters. White racists, black racist, and Jew haters. It's not a personal thing. You've got psychological issues to have to deal with. Your amnesty towards Jews generally is irrational, and a form of psychos. Get some help boy

Except I've never heard you call out anyone except for anyone who is even slightly critical of the Zionist Entity. Then you whine all day about Jew Haters. But man, I've seen some of the most vile racist shit said here every day by your fellow conservatives, and you haven't called them on it, not once.

Oh, yeah, apparently the Roids have damaged your ability to construct sentences. Were you looking for the words "Animosity" and "Psychosis"? My animosity towards Israel is that it's an apartheid state engaged in genocide, and it makes the rest of us co-conspirators.

You haven't been looking sickly boy. You only jump in on my post to slam Jews..Keep an eye out I also regularly defend Christians being slammed by fake, and leftist Jews. Like said, keep an an eye out. Try to look past your irrational Jew hatred

 

[2aguy]

The Anti-Defamation League says these sorts of comments are "historically inaccurate and offensive."

Ben Carson, a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, blamed the Holocaust on Nazi gun control in an interview on CNN Thursday.

Host Wolf Blitzer read a section from Carson's book, A More Perfect Union, in which Carson writes:

German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler's regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior ... Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.​

"I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed," Carson elaborated in the interview. "There's a reason these dictatorial people take the guns first."

The Anti-Defamation League, which monitors and responds to anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry, has long opposed the use of Nazi comparisons in the U.S. gun control debate. "The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families," Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director at the time, said in 2013.

Conservatives have a history of comparing gun control advocates to Hitler and the Nazis. The ADL's 2013 comments were provoked by The Drudge Report's choice to use an image of Hitler to illustrate news that President Barack Obama was pursuing limited gun control measures after 20 first-graders and six school staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, were murdered by a gunman.

Many historians disagree with the idea that armed German Jews could have prevented the Holocaust. And as Alex Seitz-Wald, a journalist then writing for Salon, explained in 2013, the full story of Nazi gun regulation is more complicated than Carson and his ilk might like:

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them....

[Hitler's] "1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.​

The 1938 law did ban Jews from owning guns. But as the ADL explained in 2013, "the small number of personal firearms in the hands of the small number of Germany’s Jews (about 214,000) remaining in Germany in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state," which eventually conquered most of Europe.

There was some armed Jewish resistance to the power of the Nazi war machine. But it often ended in death for the Jews involved.

In January 1943, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto rose up against the Nazis. Some 13,000 Jews died in the uprising. (They killed around 20 Nazis.) The rest were deported to concentration and extermination camps, where most were murdered.

My grandfather and grandmother had escaped from the ghetto before the uprising and gone into hiding in the countryside. They survived.

More: Ben Carson Blames Holocaust On Gun Control

Ben Carson should learn some factual history.

Carson is repeating dumb white goyim talking points


Carson’s outrageous and offensive claim is part of a long crescendo of pro-gun rhetoric that invokes Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. That theme, unlike Carson, is deeply rooted in the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association. And it is profoundly anti-Semitic, immoral and disgusting.

Here’s what Carson actually said: “The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed,” he told CNN on Thursday. Today, he doubled down, explaining that “Basically, what I said is when tyranny occurs traditionally around the world, they try to disarm the people first.”

On first blush, this statement fails the rules of rational political discourse in three ways. First, and perhaps this goes without saying, it is ludicrously false. If Jews in Nazi Germany had owned guns, they would have been rounded up, sent to labor camps, gassed and burned by an authoritarian regime with many more guns, and with the support of at least half the general population.



Why Ben Carson's Rant About Gun Control and the Holocaust Is So Dangerous - National

Ben Carson Blames Holocaust on Gun Control - Breaking News

Had the Jews been armed they could have kept the nazi thugs from beating and destroying their shops.....and shown others that the nazis could be kept at bay.....but the savagry of the nazis wasn't stopped because no one had the power...the weapons.....to stop them from intimidating everyone.....moron.

No surprise from a catholic goy spewing your antisemitic and delusional NRA talking points without knowing what they are talking about

Fox News Posts Anti-Semitic Screed Blaming Jews For Holocaust

In the piece, “Why Ben Carson is right about Jews, the Holocaust and guns,” Ablow argues that turning over their guns was tantamount to a mental defeat.

“The mindset that Jews surrendered with their guns is far more important than the hardware they turned over: They surrendered the demonstrated intention, at all costs, to resist being deprived of liberty,” Ablow writes. He also discloses that he has hosted a fundraiser for the candidate.

For all the world to see, dirty filthy NRA type goyim

Fox News Posts Anti-Semitic Screed Blaming Jews For Holocaust


Jonathan A. Greenblatt, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, responded in a statement that Carson “has a right to his views on gun control, but the notion that Hitler’s gun-control policy contributed to the Holocaust is historically inaccurate.” He added that “gun control did not cause the Holocaust; Nazism and anti-Semitism did.” Yes hitler the catholic and his band of filthy goyim caused the Holocaust

What fucking bullshit...nice switch on part of the left wing anti defamation league........Carson didn't say that gun control caused the holocaust moron......he said Jews couldn't fight back because they were already disarmed.....lying sacks of shit...

hitler was an athiest moron.....

 

[Jroc]

The Anti-Defamation League says these sorts of comments are "historically inaccurate and offensive."

Ben Carson, a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, blamed the Holocaust on Nazi gun control in an interview on CNN Thursday.

Host Wolf Blitzer read a section from Carson's book, A More Perfect Union, in which Carson writes:

German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler's regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior ... Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.​

"I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed," Carson elaborated in the interview. "There's a reason these dictatorial people take the guns first."

The Anti-Defamation League, which monitors and responds to anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry, has long opposed the use of Nazi comparisons in the U.S. gun control debate. "The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families," Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director at the time, said in 2013.

Conservatives have a history of comparing gun control advocates to Hitler and the Nazis. The ADL's 2013 comments were provoked by The Drudge Report's choice to use an image of Hitler to illustrate news that President Barack Obama was pursuing limited gun control measures after 20 first-graders and six school staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, were murdered by a gunman.

Many historians disagree with the idea that armed German Jews could have prevented the Holocaust. And as Alex Seitz-Wald, a journalist then writing for Salon, explained in 2013, the full story of Nazi gun regulation is more complicated than Carson and his ilk might like:

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them....

[Hitler's] "1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.​

The 1938 law did ban Jews from owning guns. But as the ADL explained in 2013, "the small number of personal firearms in the hands of the small number of Germany’s Jews (about 214,000) remaining in Germany in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state," which eventually conquered most of Europe.

There was some armed Jewish resistance to the power of the Nazi war machine. But it often ended in death for the Jews involved.

In January 1943, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto rose up against the Nazis. Some 13,000 Jews died in the uprising. (They killed around 20 Nazis.) The rest were deported to concentration and extermination camps, where most were murdered.

My grandfather and grandmother had escaped from the ghetto before the uprising and gone into hiding in the countryside. They survived.

More: Ben Carson Blames Holocaust On Gun Control

Ben Carson should learn some factual history.

Carson is repeating dumb white goyim talking points


Carson’s outrageous and offensive claim is part of a long crescendo of pro-gun rhetoric that invokes Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. That theme, unlike Carson, is deeply rooted in the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association. And it is profoundly anti-Semitic, immoral and disgusting.

Here’s what Carson actually said: “The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed,” he told CNN on Thursday. Today, he doubled down, explaining that “Basically, what I said is when tyranny occurs traditionally around the world, they try to disarm the people first.”

On first blush, this statement fails the rules of rational political discourse in three ways. First, and perhaps this goes without saying, it is ludicrously false. If Jews in Nazi Germany had owned guns, they would have been rounded up, sent to labor camps, gassed and burned by an authoritarian regime with many more guns, and with the support of at least half the general population.



Why Ben Carson's Rant About Gun Control and the Holocaust Is So Dangerous - National

Ben Carson Blames Holocaust on Gun Control - Breaking News

Had the Jews been armed they could have kept the nazi thugs from beating and destroying their shops.....and shown others that the nazis could be kept at bay.....but the savagry of the nazis wasn't stopped because no one had the power...the weapons.....to stop them from intimidating everyone.....moron.

No surprise from a catholic goy spewing your antisemitic and delusional NRA talking points without knowing what they are talking about

Fox News Posts Anti-Semitic Screed Blaming Jews For Holocaust

In the piece, “Why Ben Carson is right about Jews, the Holocaust and guns,” Ablow argues that turning over their guns was tantamount to a mental defeat.

“The mindset that Jews surrendered with their guns is far more important than the hardware they turned over: They surrendered the demonstrated intention, at all costs, to resist being deprived of liberty,” Ablow writes. He also discloses that he has hosted a fundraiser for the candidate.

For all the world to see, dirty filthy NRA type goyim

Fox News Posts Anti-Semitic Screed Blaming Jews For Holocaust

The fake Jew gets fed his daily diet of "think" progress. Which really involves no thinking. Any idiot could see it would have been better to fight, than not. Which is how Israel was recreated. Although most Jews couldn't believe or imagine what was happening at first. It's always better to fight if possible. of course that's much easier if you're armed you moron

 

[2aguy]

Yes....the anti gun extremists here think it was far better to quietly board the trains...with your wife and children.....than to resist..........

They are morons...........they prefer people be disarmed even knowing the lessons that actual history is showing us.....the Jews didn't know what was about to happen.....we do know what happened...and they still want people completely helpless in the face of that in the future.......they are morons.....

 

[jon_berzerk]

The Anti-Defamation League says these sorts of comments are "historically inaccurate and offensive."

Ben Carson, a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, blamed the Holocaust on Nazi gun control in an interview on CNN Thursday.

Host Wolf Blitzer read a section from Carson's book, A More Perfect Union, in which Carson writes:

German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler's regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior ... Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.​

"I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed," Carson elaborated in the interview. "There's a reason these dictatorial people take the guns first."

The Anti-Defamation League, which monitors and responds to anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry, has long opposed the use of Nazi comparisons in the U.S. gun control debate. "The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families," Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director at the time, said in 2013.

Conservatives have a history of comparing gun control advocates to Hitler and the Nazis. The ADL's 2013 comments were provoked by The Drudge Report's choice to use an image of Hitler to illustrate news that President Barack Obama was pursuing limited gun control measures after 20 first-graders and six school staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, were murdered by a gunman.

Many historians disagree with the idea that armed German Jews could have prevented the Holocaust. And as Alex Seitz-Wald, a journalist then writing for Salon, explained in 2013, the full story of Nazi gun regulation is more complicated than Carson and his ilk might like:

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them....

[Hitler's] "1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.​

The 1938 law did ban Jews from owning guns. But as the ADL explained in 2013, "the small number of personal firearms in the hands of the small number of Germany’s Jews (about 214,000) remaining in Germany in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state," which eventually conquered most of Europe.

There was some armed Jewish resistance to the power of the Nazi war machine. But it often ended in death for the Jews involved.

In January 1943, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto rose up against the Nazis. Some 13,000 Jews died in the uprising. (They killed around 20 Nazis.) The rest were deported to concentration and extermination camps, where most were murdered.

My grandfather and grandmother had escaped from the ghetto before the uprising and gone into hiding in the countryside. They survived.

More: Ben Carson Blames Holocaust On Gun Control

Ben Carson should learn some factual history.

Carson is repeating dumb white goyim talking points


Carson’s outrageous and offensive claim is part of a long crescendo of pro-gun rhetoric that invokes Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. That theme, unlike Carson, is deeply rooted in the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association. And it is profoundly anti-Semitic, immoral and disgusting.

Here’s what Carson actually said: “The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed,” he told CNN on Thursday. Today, he doubled down, explaining that “Basically, what I said is when tyranny occurs traditionally around the world, they try to disarm the people first.”

On first blush, this statement fails the rules of rational political discourse in three ways. First, and perhaps this goes without saying, it is ludicrously false. If Jews in Nazi Germany had owned guns, they would have been rounded up, sent to labor camps, gassed and burned by an authoritarian regime with many more guns, and with the support of at least half the general population.



Why Ben Carson's Rant About Gun Control and the Holocaust Is So Dangerous - National

Ben Carson Blames Holocaust on Gun Control - Breaking News

Had the Jews been armed they could have kept the nazi thugs from beating and destroying their shops.....and shown others that the nazis could be kept at bay.....but the savagry of the nazis wasn't stopped because no one had the power...the weapons.....to stop them from intimidating everyone.....moron.

No surprise from a catholic goy spewing your antisemitic and delusional NRA talking points without knowing what they are talking about

Fox News Posts Anti-Semitic Screed Blaming Jews For Holocaust

In the piece, “Why Ben Carson is right about Jews, the Holocaust and guns,” Ablow argues that turning over their guns was tantamount to a mental defeat.

“The mindset that Jews surrendered with their guns is far more important than the hardware they turned over: They surrendered the demonstrated intention, at all costs, to resist being deprived of liberty,” Ablow writes. He also discloses that he has hosted a fundraiser for the candidate.

For all the world to see, dirty filthy NRA type goyim

Fox News Posts Anti-Semitic Screed Blaming Jews For Holocaust


Jonathan A. Greenblatt, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, responded in a statement that Carson “has a right to his views on gun control, but the notion that Hitler’s gun-control policy contributed to the Holocaust is historically inaccurate.” He added that “gun control did not cause the Holocaust; Nazism and anti-Semitism did.” Yes hitler the catholic and his band of filthy goyim caused the Holocaust

What fucking bullshit...nice switch on part of the left wing anti defamation league........Carson didn't say that gun control caused the holocaust moron......he said Jews couldn't fight back because they were already disarmed.....lying sacks of shit...

hitler was an athiest moron.....

the left uses lies as its main and only platform

 

[Jroc]

The Anti-Defamation League says these sorts of comments are "historically inaccurate and offensive."

Ben Carson, a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, blamed the Holocaust on Nazi gun control in an interview on CNN Thursday.

Host Wolf Blitzer read a section from Carson's book, A More Perfect Union, in which Carson writes:

German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler's regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior ... Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.​

"I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed," Carson elaborated in the interview. "There's a reason these dictatorial people take the guns first."

The Anti-Defamation League, which monitors and responds to anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry, has long opposed the use of Nazi comparisons in the U.S. gun control debate. "The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families," Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director at the time, said in 2013.

Conservatives have a history of comparing gun control advocates to Hitler and the Nazis. The ADL's 2013 comments were provoked by The Drudge Report's choice to use an image of Hitler to illustrate news that President Barack Obama was pursuing limited gun control measures after 20 first-graders and six school staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, were murdered by a gunman.

Many historians disagree with the idea that armed German Jews could have prevented the Holocaust. And as Alex Seitz-Wald, a journalist then writing for Salon, explained in 2013, the full story of Nazi gun regulation is more complicated than Carson and his ilk might like:

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them....

[Hitler's] "1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.​

The 1938 law did ban Jews from owning guns. But as the ADL explained in 2013, "the small number of personal firearms in the hands of the small number of Germany’s Jews (about 214,000) remaining in Germany in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state," which eventually conquered most of Europe.

There was some armed Jewish resistance to the power of the Nazi war machine. But it often ended in death for the Jews involved.

In January 1943, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto rose up against the Nazis. Some 13,000 Jews died in the uprising. (They killed around 20 Nazis.) The rest were deported to concentration and extermination camps, where most were murdered.

My grandfather and grandmother had escaped from the ghetto before the uprising and gone into hiding in the countryside. They survived.

More: Ben Carson Blames Holocaust On Gun Control

Ben Carson should learn some factual history.

Carson is repeating dumb white goyim talking points


Carson’s outrageous and offensive claim is part of a long crescendo of pro-gun rhetoric that invokes Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. That theme, unlike Carson, is deeply rooted in the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association. And it is profoundly anti-Semitic, immoral and disgusting.

Here’s what Carson actually said: “The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed,” he told CNN on Thursday. Today, he doubled down, explaining that “Basically, what I said is when tyranny occurs traditionally around the world, they try to disarm the people first.”

On first blush, this statement fails the rules of rational political discourse in three ways. First, and perhaps this goes without saying, it is ludicrously false. If Jews in Nazi Germany had owned guns, they would have been rounded up, sent to labor camps, gassed and burned by an authoritarian regime with many more guns, and with the support of at least half the general population.



Why Ben Carson's Rant About Gun Control and the Holocaust Is So Dangerous - National

Ben Carson Blames Holocaust on Gun Control - Breaking News

Had the Jews been armed they could have kept the nazi thugs from beating and destroying their shops.....and shown others that the nazis could be kept at bay.....but the savagry of the nazis wasn't stopped because no one had the power...the weapons.....to stop them from intimidating everyone.....moron.

No surprise from a catholic goy spewing your antisemitic and delusional NRA talking points without knowing what they are talking about

Fox News Posts Anti-Semitic Screed Blaming Jews For Holocaust

In the piece, “Why Ben Carson is right about Jews, the Holocaust and guns,” Ablow argues that turning over their guns was tantamount to a mental defeat.

“The mindset that Jews surrendered with their guns is far more important than the hardware they turned over: They surrendered the demonstrated intention, at all costs, to resist being deprived of liberty,” Ablow writes. He also discloses that he has hosted a fundraiser for the candidate.

For all the world to see, dirty filthy NRA type goyim

Fox News Posts Anti-Semitic Screed Blaming Jews For Holocaust


Jonathan A. Greenblatt, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, responded in a statement that Carson “has a right to his views on gun control, but the notion that Hitler’s gun-control policy contributed to the Holocaust is historically inaccurate.” He added that “gun control did not cause the Holocaust; Nazism and anti-Semitism did.” Yes hitler the catholic and his band of filthy goyim caused the Holocaust

What fucking bullshit...nice switch on part of the left wing anti defamation league........Carson didn't say that gun control caused the holocaust moron......he said Jews couldn't fight back because they were already disarmed.....lying sacks of shit...

hitler was an athiest moron.....

the left uses lies as its main and only platform

Lies and distortions are all they have

 

[jon_berzerk]

Carson is repeating dumb white goyim talking points


Carson’s outrageous and offensive claim is part of a long crescendo of pro-gun rhetoric that invokes Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. That theme, unlike Carson, is deeply rooted in the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association. And it is profoundly anti-Semitic, immoral and disgusting.

Here’s what Carson actually said: “The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed,” he told CNN on Thursday. Today, he doubled down, explaining that “Basically, what I said is when tyranny occurs traditionally around the world, they try to disarm the people first.”

On first blush, this statement fails the rules of rational political discourse in three ways. First, and perhaps this goes without saying, it is ludicrously false. If Jews in Nazi Germany had owned guns, they would have been rounded up, sent to labor camps, gassed and burned by an authoritarian regime with many more guns, and with the support of at least half the general population.



Why Ben Carson's Rant About Gun Control and the Holocaust Is So Dangerous - National

Ben Carson Blames Holocaust on Gun Control - Breaking News

Had the Jews been armed they could have kept the nazi thugs from beating and destroying their shops.....and shown others that the nazis could be kept at bay.....but the savagry of the nazis wasn't stopped because no one had the power...the weapons.....to stop them from intimidating everyone.....moron.

No surprise from a catholic goy spewing your antisemitic and delusional NRA talking points without knowing what they are talking about

Fox News Posts Anti-Semitic Screed Blaming Jews For Holocaust

In the piece, “Why Ben Carson is right about Jews, the Holocaust and guns,” Ablow argues that turning over their guns was tantamount to a mental defeat.

“The mindset that Jews surrendered with their guns is far more important than the hardware they turned over: They surrendered the demonstrated intention, at all costs, to resist being deprived of liberty,” Ablow writes. He also discloses that he has hosted a fundraiser for the candidate.

For all the world to see, dirty filthy NRA type goyim

Fox News Posts Anti-Semitic Screed Blaming Jews For Holocaust


Jonathan A. Greenblatt, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, responded in a statement that Carson “has a right to his views on gun control, but the notion that Hitler’s gun-control policy contributed to the Holocaust is historically inaccurate.” He added that “gun control did not cause the Holocaust; Nazism and anti-Semitism did.” Yes hitler the catholic and his band of filthy goyim caused the Holocaust

What fucking bullshit...nice switch on part of the left wing anti defamation league........Carson didn't say that gun control caused the holocaust moron......he said Jews couldn't fight back because they were already disarmed.....lying sacks of shit...

hitler was an athiest moron.....

the left uses lies as its main and only platform

Lies and distortions are all they have

sad but true

 

[semaj]

Dr Ben Carson is right. Had the Jews been armed, they would have had a fighting chance. The Warsaw rebellion and a number of Jews fighting with the partisans show what they could have done. Armed Jews wouldn't have prevented the Hollocost, but they would have made murder more costly for the Germans.

 

[JoeB131]

That is why we have the 2nd Amendment...so that the temptation in the future to attack our people would be too costly for anyone in power.....that is why we do not plan on surrendering our weapons. Are we facing anything like they have in the past...no. Can we guarantee that it will never happen in the future? No. It is not our place to disarm future Americans just because we are fortunate to live in peaceful times.

People who say shit like t his are scarier than any government and they are usually the ones who do the mass slaughtering.

 

[JoeB131]

Dr Ben Carson is right. Had the Jews been armed, they would have had a fighting chance. The Warsaw rebellion and a number of Jews fighting with the partisans show what they could have done. Armed Jews wouldn't have prevented the Hollocost, but they would have made murder more costly for the Germans.

Okay, let's look at that.

Warsaw Ghetto Uprising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Casualties and losses

Germans: At least 17 killed, 93 wounded (German figures)

Jews and Poles: About 13,000 killed, 56,885 deported, mostly civilians (German estimate)

So the end result was you killed a whopping 17 Germans wh ile some 70,000 Poles and Jews were either killed in the uprising or went on to exterminated in the concentration camp.

Boy, they showed them, didn't they?